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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:45 PM
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Cenk is an idiot.
He didn't give Robert Borosage an opportunity to fully explain the problem with Medicare which is that the health care system will bankrupt EVERYTHING.

Instead he wants to make his point about raising taxes on the rich.

Finally someone tries to tackle the truth and Cenk decides to talk over him. I could not be more frustrated.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:48 PM
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1. Why give an idiot a chance to pedal idiotic ideologues.
How can medicare bankrupt everything, why would I wanna listen to a misleading mumble jumble.

Kudos to Cenk for recognizing the asswipe.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:54 PM
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3. Not medicare...the entire health care system.
The exploding costs of Medicare are simply the result of exploding health care costs. It's something the private system won't be able to cope with either.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:08 PM
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7. Not if the government can control fraud which is endemic
within health care, for the most part the media seems to take the high road
when it comes to this subject.

The media needs to do a better job than just this lazy journalism
that they practice by helping to pedal BS.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:09 PM
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8. It used to piss me off when I heard pundits state that health care was 16% of the US economy
But never did I hear anyone question the fact that health care expenditures comprised such a ginormous slice of the pie.

That's like one out of every six dollars spent in the US is spent on health care. Basically contributing nothing to trade imbalances or productivity figures.

No economy can be healthy (pardon the pun) carrying that kind of overhead around.

But I'm not going to jump on Cenk - he's one of the good guys.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:24 PM
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11. No it's not.
It's letting the for profit private insurers in the Medicare advantage programs and big PhRMA into the program that are draining it. Turn Medicare D over to the same people who buy drugs for the VA and kick out the insurance companies and Medicare will work just fine. Actually kicking out the for profit insurers and HMOs will make our whole medical system work better and be less costly. That exploding health costs canard is right up there with the other RW think tank BS like Canadians coming here by the busload, people not able to pick their doctors and I could go on and on. Take your RW insurance company talking points to the Ayn Rand instititute. They will welcome your views.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:36 PM
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13. YES
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:38 PM
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14. Borosage was trying to talk about the problems with health insurance companies
And he got talked over by Cenk. If you hate big pharma and insurance you should be in favor of Borosage explaining things.

But no he wasn't able to and you apparently applaud it.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:50 PM
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2. Cenk is a good interviewer
He cuts through the b.s. better than almost anyone.

That said, Robert Borosage doesn't generally talk b.s. as far as I know.

A clip or transcript might make for a better discussion.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:03 PM
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5. Borosage was trying to explain how to fix the health care system but Cenk talked right over him.
I really wanted to hear what he had to say but I will never know now.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:12 PM
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9. "but I will never know now"
Why can't somebody who has interviewed Chomsky do an interview with Borosage, and make the interview available somewhere online?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 05:58 PM
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4. Agreed.
And then some.

:thumbsup:

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:07 PM
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6. I thought Borosage was saying the Medicare wasn't the problem..
but the continuing costs of the broken healthcare system. If you want to fix Medicare, fix the healthcare system. They are focusing on the wrong problem, was my interpretation. True, Cenk could have permitted him to explain it further.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:13 PM
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10. That is exactly what he was trying to explain but did Cenk give any credence to it?
I heard nothing.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-11 06:26 PM
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12. Cenk could have done that better, I admit.
Thom Hartmann always has the best explanations about this issue.
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