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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:06 PM
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The GOP Needs To Tell The Truth About Their Views On The Constitution
Tomorrow, as part of the GOP’s broader messaging strategy to falsely paint themselves as the party of the Constitution, Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) will lead the new GOP-led House in a ritualized reading of the United States Constitution. Yet while the GOP has been big on this kind of constitutional theatre for much of the last year, most Republicans have been coy about revealing what they actually think the Constitution provides. When asked last night if he shares the widespread conservative view that the minimum wage is unconstitutional, for example, Goodlatte claimed that he did not know the answer to the question.

Yet, while most GOPers have remained carefully vague about how they view the Constitution, those few who have revealed their specific views leave little doubt why the rest of the party is keeping quiet. Their views are both dangerous and radical:

* Child Labor: In three separate opinions, conservative Justice Clarence Thomas called for a return to a discredited theory of the Constitution that early twentieth century justices used to declare federal child labor laws unconstitutional. Many GOP elected officials have embraced rhetoric suggesting that they agree with Justice Thomas that child labor laws are unconstitutional. They should answer directly whether they agree with him or not.
* Whites Only-Lunch Counters: In a now-infamous interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) claimed that there are constitutional problems with the federal ban on whites-only lunch counters. Justice Thomas’ pre-New Deal understanding of the Constitution also supports Paul’s view.
* Minimum Wage: Although Goodlatte claimed not to know whether the minimum wage is constitutional, Thomas and many other prominent Republicans believe that it is not.
* Education: Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) believes that all federal education programs — including Pell Grants and student loan assistance — are unconstitutional. And he is far from alone among GOP Members of Congress.
* Gender Discrimination: Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia recently expressed his view that the Constitution has nothing to say about discrimination against women. Goodlatte, the architect of the GOP’s plan to read the Constitution on the House floor, cited Scalia as the justice who “most reflects” his own views. And Scalia will deliver a lecture on the Constitution to GOP Members of Congress later this month at the invitation of Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).
* Ending Senate Elections: Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) recently claimed that the ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment, which allows voters to elect their own senators, “was a mistake.” Scalia agrees.
* Eliminating the U.S. Dollar: Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), who will take over the House subcommittee that oversees federal monetary policy, has claimed that paper money is “nothing short of counterfeiting,” and has even called the U.S. dollar unconstitutional. Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ) appears to agree with him.
* Social Security and Medicare: Additionally, while only a handful of Republicans openly admit that they believe Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional, Sens. Paul, Lee and Coburn all have expressed views suggesting that they also believe that these landmark programs violate the Constitution. Moreover, the GOP’s own “Pledge to America” expressly embraces a radical “tenther” view of the Constitution which would require Social Security, Medicare and numerous other essential programs to be declared unconstitutional.

Ever since they decided to wrap themselves in the Constitution, most GOPers have gotten away with vague bromides expressing their love for the document without revealing what they actually think about the Constitution. Meanwhile, those few GOP officials who have gone on record with their views have consistently shown themselves to be extreme radicals. If a Member of Congress disagrees with Clarence Thomas that child labor laws are unconstitutional; or with Rand Paul that civil rights violate the constitution; or with Tom Coburn that all federal education programs should cease to exist, than they should say so. But they should no longer be given the option to keep their views secret.


http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/05/tell-the-truth/
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:11 PM
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1. There was a story on Yahoo yesterday
that talked about how a few states want to challenge the 14th amendment. How do you challenge the constitution? You can't call it unconstitutional. THESE PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING STUPID!
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:12 PM
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2. A hearty K&R!!! Excellent, substantive post!
NO MORE BROMIDES!!!
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:12 PM
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3. "Opinions are like assholes; everbody's got one" - Harry Callahan
Do you really think you'd get just one opinion? Does it really matter? In the end, there are only 9 opinions about the constitution that count and they're not in the legislative branch of government
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:14 PM
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4. The OP referenced Thomas and Scalia several times. n/t
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:16 PM
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5. My bad, but we already know what they stand for
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:20 PM
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7. I agree with you there, but it would be helpful in terms of the ongoing political discourse
Edited on Wed Jan-05-11 02:23 PM by Adsos Letter
to pin congresspersons to more specific statements regarding their view on constitutional issues/interpretations.

It might at least give real insight into whether they have any real understanding of the document at all, even with varied opinions. :hi:

O'Donnell's obvious agenda in regards to her interpretation of the First Amendment and Church/State separation come to mind.
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:26 PM
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8. You're right, of course. I just like Dirty Harry
I've gotten pretty cynical in my old age and I'm used to flip flops (and not just from the Rep's - they all do it). Would it really be news if one of these guys changed positions for political expediency?
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:39 PM
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11. I have also become pretty cynical of politicians in general...
and flip-flops come as no surprise anymore, either.

It would at least be nice to get 'em on record exhibiting their actual understanding/interpretation/ignorance of the document, and what they perceive as the real, overarching governing principles of the Constitution.

I recognize that the goals of many politicians are pretty transparent; I'd just like to find another mechanism for exposing their agenda. That way, in debates, interviews, etc., we might get the look that says "I know what yer thinkin', Punk. Did he fire five shots, or six?"

Liars have a hard time keeping up with their lies; and the more specific, the better for all of us.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:17 PM
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6. Kickety kick! THIS is the work that needs to be done.
Thank you for posting this.
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:29 PM
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9. GOP and truth cannot be used in the same sentence. n/t
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:34 PM
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10. K&R
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:47 PM
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12. Why tell the truth on that?
They don't on anything else.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:57 PM
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13. This asinine clinging to rejection of anything not in the constitution is laughable
There's a lot of shit that isn't in the Constitution because it was written more than 200 years ago. Get with the times nutsos.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 02:59 PM
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14. The Coming War over the Constitution (by Robert Parry 12-30-10 Consortium News)
"The same right-wingers who happily accepted George W. Bush's shift to a police state- his claims to limitless executive power, warrantless wiretaps, repudiation of habeas corpus, redefining cruel and unusual punishment, suppression of dissent, creation of massive data-bases on citizens, arbitrary no-fly lists, and endless overseas wars-have now reinvented themselves as brave protectors of American liberty."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/123010.html
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 03:03 PM
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15. Not a good subject...for me
The Constitution was not written for most Americans. It was written for those who look like the people who wrote it. They praise that piece of parchment like it was the holy Grail. Sorry can't muster affection for a document that has no affection for me.
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 03:34 PM
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16. You should see this video on MSNBC. They touch on the subject of slavery and the Constitution ....
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 06:58 PM
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17. Well they always touch on SLAVERY!!!!!!!
But never want to get into it or really admit that it was wrong. They do not believe it was wrong and they tell you so everyday. They use statements like "I want my country back" or "Follow the Constitution" or " Don't Tread on Me" and any thing to do with American Freedoms. Because they believe it was their God-given right to own people. And they still do. Now its just not AA folks, its Congress, The Supreme Court,and any other regulatory entity that will curb them from fucking over people.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-11 08:03 PM
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18. The truth is - they've never actually read it.
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