Son dropping Schwarzenegger's last name

[CountAllVotes]

Patrick Arnold Schwarzenegger is taking his mother's side.

The 17-year-old son of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver has followed sister Katherine in tweeting out about their father's secret love child and tearing their family apart.

Patrick's revenge on Dad? He's dropping his famous surname.

Patrick revealed on Twitter that he now wanted to be referred to as Patrick Shriver. He also expressed his feelings over the bombshell revelations that his Sperminator dad fathered a child with a member of his staff, jeopardizing his 25-year marriage to Shriver.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43078355/ns/today-entertainment/

Can't say I blame Patrick for doing this but my god, he sure looks like the Governator!

Picture of Patrick Shriver here: http://www.bing.com/caption/image?bn=RTImage&bid=PPBoNSFSukH5WA

[patricia92243]

1. Is there a way to know that it is the Patrick Shriver or somebody just using that name. Somehow

sounds phony to me. There are a lot of people that imitate famous people on social networks.

[CountAllVotes]

3. Twitter info.

Patrick Shriver
@PSchwarzenegger los angeles
LOVE THE LAKERS. La-Models, Student, Entrepreneur, www.teamproject360.com, fitness and health lover.
http://teamproject360.com

He is listed PSchwarzenegger and the name you see is Patrick Shriver. He looks like a combo of Maria and Arnold IMO.

[Enrique]

2. maybe he's just lazy n/t

[Keith Bee]

4. I understand his motivation.....

...but that's an awful thing to do to your dad, no matter what a scoundrel he turns out to be.

[CountAllVotes]

7. yep that is a low as one can go

Dropping the family surname from your own name is a no-no!

He must have had more than one run in with his father I'd suspect. He's likely disgusted as is the rest of the world, not that I blame him!

:dem:

[Le Taz Hot]

9. Isn't Shriver also a family surname?

[ljm2002]

17. By whose rules is it a "no-no"???

It is a strong statement, to be sure. That was the point.

I think the young man is more than justified, and applaud him for it.

[CountAllVotes]

19. generally the father

Children get the father's surname when born unless they are illegitimate.

Women's surnames tend to often be lost I've noted. :(

[cali]

29. so you've missed all the hyphenated names?

[ljm2002]

43. Children don't always get the father's surname...

...even when they are born. The idea of illegitimacy is rather old-fashioned, don't you think? In any case, I know women who are married but never took their husband's last name; I know husbands who took their wife's last name; I know children with hyphenated last names; and I know at least one case where one child took the father's last name and one child took the mother's last name.

In other words, I'm finding the idea that it's a "no-no" in any sense to be laughable, actually.

[geardaddy]

87. I know someone who has two daughters.

One was given that dad's surname and the other was given the mom's.

[Heidi]

24. Women do it all the time. What's your point? Is it worse for a male to ditch his family surname? (nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. by what law is that a no-no? he picked the maternal name

which makes sense, given his mother isnt the douchebag

[smirkymonkey]

85. ...also who the hell would want a name like Schwarzenegger

[LisaL]

10. Hah? And getting a mistress pregnant at the same time as wife,

that's not an awful thing to do?

[marions ghost]

11. I have seen people do it

In the cases I have seen it was justified.

it is very hard for young sons to cope when their dad turns out to be creepy & dishonest.

[CTyankee]

14. It IS pretty extreme but that just tells me that his mother and prolly the

other kids are just beside themselves with outrage toward him. It was bad enough for his father to run around on his mother, but with the housekeeper in their own house! It's a huge F*ck You to the family. The kid is probably so ashamed of his dad he doesn't want to have anything to do with him, now or ever...

[Darth_Kitten]

15. Maybe scoundrel fathers should be shamed a bit?

n/t

[ljm2002]

16. Excuse me???

Why,exactly, is it so awful? Because he won't keep the patriarchal family name going? Who gives a sh*t??? It seems to me that is a small thing indeed compared to how Arnold smeared his own family name.

Arnold fathered a child out of wedlock at the same time his wife was pregnant. The women delivered their babies just weeks apart. Furthermore, he fathered the child with a long-time employee of the family. And he did it in the same house that he shared with Maria and their children.

And you think for the son to reject the patriarchal surname is a terrible thing to do to poor Daddy? I think it's an extremely proper thing to do under the circumstances.

[JanMichael]

32. Horse-shit. nt.

[Arugula Latte]

58. Eh, too f'ing bad. His father is a creep and deserves this and much worse. nt

[mzteris]

78. too f'ing bad.

You screw up, you need to be prepared to pay the price.

Maybe he'll think twice next time? (nah. He's privileged - rules don't apply to him...)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. So he dropped one famous last name for another famous one. On another note, my guess

it was the straw that broke the camel's back. More issues between father and son than this one.

[Veronica.Franco]

6. Oh, grow up, Patrick ...

Stephen Stills has 7 kids by 6 different women and two grandkids, at least, and they all love each other ... get a grip ... love is the only way! ...

[bobbolink]

8. Yes, indeed. The wording of your post drips with "love".

[Veronica.Franco]

22. Patrick will only cause a deeper riff and hurt his siblings ...

My post drips with EXPERIENCE, bobbolink ... All the children caught up in this disaster might instead insist on pulling together in spite of any adult around them making bad choices ... and yes, bobbolink, if he were one of my dozen nieces and nephews I would tell him to knock that silly chip off his shoulder and be there for his brothers and sisters ... legitimate and illegitimate ... they are all of ONE family ... There is nothing new under the sun ... they can make the rest of their lives something special as a family or continue to allow the behavior of one self-absorbed overgrown adolescent to affect them ... Rise above it ... let Ahnold come and meet with all of them as a family of adult children and meet his responsibilities ... It's his music ... he can make it a slow waltz or a samba! ...

[JonLP24]

27. If my brother decided to change his last name

wouldn't bother me one bit. In fact, I would completely understand why. I hate my last name, I had to deal with a lifetime of jokes. When I got married, my wife opted to keep her last name and completely understand why, hell, I wish I could have taken her last name. I probably could have but I don't recall the option being offered to me, only her.

[Veronica.Franco]

33. Patrick is changing his name out of SHAME ...

I don't thing using shame, in the heat of the moment, is making a clear-headed choice ...

Nicholas Cage uses his mother's maiden name rather than Coppala ... he wanted his acting career to be based on his reputation not a family reputation ... but, unlike Patrick's decision, Nicolas didn't make his name change as a child who was ashamed of his Dad's behavior ...

The subject here is Patrick changing his name because of being ashamed of a parent's behavior ...

Now if you want to start a thread about YOUR last name, JonLP24 .. maybe it was DICK or something ... that would be quite a different subject ... now wouldn't it? ...

[JonLP24]

35. I guess my point is

I never thought of changing a surname to be a big deal for whatever the reason. I mean why care? It isn't a big deal.

[Veronica.Franco]

37. It's kneejerk ...

Kids caught up in family quarrels can get sucked into a parents divorce and might do something they'll regret later ... Maybe cooler heads will prevail eventually ...

[liberalhistorian]

66. It's also a private matter and really no one else's business.

I'm always amazed at how people get so bent out of shape over the private, personal decisions of others they don't even know, when it has nothing to do with them. You're right, who should really care except the persons directly involved?

[wickerwoman]

39. He may have been looking for an excuse for years.

If my last name was Schwarzenegger I'd jump on the first good excuse to change it to. It's impossible to spell and you'd spend your whole life in the shadow of your dad. And his dad really is a joke at this point.

OK, yes it's a little drama queenish to change your last name because your dad betrayed your mom, but he's 17 years old, it's his family that his dad betrayed and he's entitled to feel how he feels about it without being judged by complete strangers.

Maybe when he's older he'll come to forgive his dad. But that's up to him. Not for people on the internet to demand of him without knowing any of the other crap that has been going on in that house for the last 25 years.

[Veronica.Franco]

48. True that ...

Not that we are speaking directly to anyone ... I hope all the kids end up finding a way to be friends .... years later they may see each other in their own children and find a way back ...

[mzteris]

75. not shame - ANGER!

He's rejecting his jerk of a so-called "father".

My sons have stopped using their dad's part of their hyphenated name for all but legal purposes. (Though I admit the younger one did because the older one did.) I know when the older one turns 18, he's changing it legally.

Their dad completely understands that it was HIS BEHAVIOUR and HIS SCREW-UPS that caused this. He's never once berated them - or me - for it. It's all his fault.

[cali]

30. wow. you are self-righteous. got any kids of your own?

[Veronica.Franco]

36. and I tell them to live and let live too

Prosecuting somebody based on a 10 year old child from another woman doesn't do anyone any favors ...

They enjoy their many cousins and siblings ... half, whole, or whoops! ... ;-)

[mzteris]

76. you don't have - say -

a 10 yo boy and live in CA, do you? hmmmm..

Self-righteous indeed.

[Veronica.Franco]

83. nope ...

just absolutely sure this isn't the dark ages and Henry the XIII left the throne some time ago ...

no surprises here ... really? ... nope ...

[mzteris]

100. yeah, cause cheating on your spouse

and your children, denying your own child, lying to everyone you know an love, disrespecting your family and your household, abusing your employees, is SUCH progress.

Bah. He's a bastard and a jerk and narcissistic self-centered user - Ahnuld - not the kid - and deserves every bit of disrespect he gets.

[Veronica.Franco]

101. We create these "leaders" in politics and "gods" up on the screen and stage ...

and when they fall down and we find out they're human we're shocked? ... we're all really kinda childish that way ... he's just a man ... good sometimes and not so good other times ... I'm sure that he's hard enough on himself right now without anyone else piling on ... after all, they do pay attorneys to do that ... and pay and pay and pay ...

It's interesting how everyone gets so angry at a complete stranger ... very odd ....

[mzteris]

102. I don't care if he's the queen of sheba

king henry the viii or joe the f'ing plumber - he's a liar and cheat.

why do you keep finding excuses for him, hmmm? now THAT sounds . .. . very odd . . .

[Veronica.Franco]

103. It's just reality ...

not excuses ... someone wrote that "the internet is for shy assholes" .... pretty accurate ...

If these kids were your nieces and nephews you might take them all to a ball game or to the beach and, yeah, maybe their Dad, your brother, had been a jerk but it wouldn't matter to the family as a whole ... you'd still love all the kids ... wouldn't you? ... would you tear your own family up with poisonous rants? .... nope, most people wouldn't ...

That's my point ... people get so excited like this has NEVER happened before OR like MARIA were there sister and everyone was so certain she married "Jimmy Stewart" ... well, she's a stranger to all of us AND she didn't marry a "Jimmy Stewart" ... she married Arnold with all his strengths and flaws ... knowing he wasn't a perfect angel ...

None of this surprises me in the least, but what is always peculiar is how people like to use a perfect stranger for a punching bag ... he's a stranger ... why get all emotional about it?... he's not the first guy on the planet to accomplish this feat ...

Europeans must be laughing at us ... The US ... all the Puritans still standing on Plymouth Rock ... LOL!

I'll say it again ... "LOVE, LOVE, LOVE" ...

moving on ....

Enough ...

[mzteris]

104. I would tear into my "brother" you bet

your sweet @ss I would.

It doesn't "surprise" me in the least, either. I knew he's always been a misogynistic harassing USER @ss. It's not that I feel sorry for Maria, I feel sorry for his kids. ALL of them - especially the one he "IGNORED" basically disowned for 10 freaking years!

I'm here saying I whole heartedly support his son for saying "F YOU 'dad'" I don't want YOUR NAME ANYMORE. I applaud Patrick's choice. He has every right to do so and I think it was the right call in this circumstance.

LOVE your family. DON"T ABUSE THEM. And you don't get get out of jail free card, because - hey i screwed up - again - but wtf who cares. . la di dah di dah...

[Donnachaidh]

40. pulling together to give an ego boost to a guy (Stills) who acts like a stray dog

Yeah -- that's so to be emulated. :sarcasm:

[Veronica.Franco]

44. Who's the prey and who's the predator ...

If rock stars were just Joe Blow workin' down at the car wash do you think some of these ladies would have chased their buses? ... It takes two to tango ... these guys RUN from groupies ...

oh, sure ... Most guys would have said, "NO, don't touch me" in Stills position? ... riiiiiight ... ROTFLMAO!

[bobbolink]

55. Yes, the LOVE shows through. Very good modeling of the desired behavior.

:sarcasm:

[a la izquierda]

60. And no, your post doesn't drip with experience.

It drips with scolding. You actually say nothing of merit or substance.
I'd tell you what I really thought of your posts, but my posts would be deleted. I'm happy I'm not related to you, and I'm super happy I don't know you.

[bobbolink]

64. .

:applause:

[Veronica.Franco]

82. I happy your so happy ...

pappy ... ;-)

[Veronica.Franco]

84. well, now ...

We're supposed to be DEMOCRATS ... the party of love, peace, and understanding with a big tent ... we're not the party of wrap your hand around a woman's fetus and tell her want to do with her body .... so I'll say it again ... LIVE AND LET LIVE! ....

"What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding" ... singalong time ...
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[marions ghost]

12. Some can do it

...some can't. Depends on the level of betrayal.

It's not a one-size-fits-all situation.

[Darth_Kitten]

13. It's his bloody choice.

n/t

[Hepburn]

72. Exactly...n/t

[ljm2002]

18. The circumstances in this case are pretty bad...

...and he may indeed continue to love his father without carrying his name.

I think that knowing the woman was their in-house maid for all those years, and that Arnold carried on with her right in their home, may have some bearing on how his son feels about this.

[marions ghost]

21. agree

the son sounds OK. Strong convictions. He really might be different from his father!

[Veronica.Franco]

23. Nah, Jackson Browne raised Liv Tyler ...

With her mother until she was old enough to be told who her father was ... Steven Tyler ... there are sooooo many of these kids out there who were protected from one parent's identity for a time ...

Life is what you make of it ... and dragging around some silly old wound because of who parented who is a waste of time in the long run ... Only a drama queen or king would try to drag these kids through changing their name or punishing someone or picking between parents and siblings ... it's a huge waste of energy and the kids all deserve better ... power struggles are unhealthy ...

Live and let live ... this isn't the court of Henry the XIII for heaven's sake ... it's 2011 ...

Clint Eastwood has TWENTYFIVE kids (no joke) by different mothers and once a year all the mothers and kids get together around Christmas ... move on!

[MagickMuffin]

25. Todd Rundgren is who raised Liv

Tyler was born Liv Rundgren at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York. She is the first-born daughter of Bebe Buell, a model, singer, and former Playboy Playmate (Miss November 1974), and Steven Tyler, the lead singer of Aerosmith. Her mother named her after Norwegian actress Liv Ullmann, after seeing Ullmann on the cover of the March 5, 1977 issue of TV Guide. She is of Italian, German, Polish, Russian and English ancestry on her father's side and also has three half-siblings: Mia Tyler (born 1978), Chelsea Anna Tallarico (born 1989), and Taj Monroe Tallarico (born 1992). Her maternal grandmother, Dorothea Johnson, founded the Protocol School of Washington.

At birth, Buell claimed that rock star Todd Rundgren was Tyler's biological father. At age nine, Tyler discovered that she was Steven Tyler's daughter after meeting him and noticing a resemblance she shared with his other daughter, Mia. When she asked her mother about the similarity, the secret was revealed. The truth about Tyler's paternity did not become public until five years later, in 1991, when she changed her name from Rundgren to Tyler, but kept the former as a middle name. Buell's alleged reason for the initial decision was that Steven was too heavily addicted to drugs at the time of her birth. Since learning the truth about her paternity, Liv and Steven have developed a close relationship. They have also worked together professionally, once when she appeared in Aerosmith's music video for "Crazy" in 1993 and again when Aerosmith performed many of the songs in the film Armageddon (1998), in which Liv Tyler starred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liv_Tyler

[Veronica.Franco]

26. David Crosby has a couple of kids out there too ...

Finally they know who their Dad is ...

My point is it doesn't damage the kids to know the truth ... it damages them when it's turned into a huge drama .....

Yes, Steven and Liv have a nice relationship and ARNOLD could also have a nice relationship with all his kids if they'd stop acting like this is King Henry's court and children born to different mothers was something new ...

It's not ... it happens so often I couldn't remember who raised Liv ... I thought it was Jackson Browne ... hey, the lady had alot of front men ... nothing new here ...

[cali]

31. you know what? you know shit about this family. none of us has fucking clue

about the dynamics or what's gone on between father and son or anyone else in the family. You sound like a real busybody.

[Veronica.Franco]

34. suggesting live and let live? ...

Is a busybody in your world? ... Do you need to get angry at all these people for having different parents? ... Is that REALLY important to you? ...

Light a fatty and leave the kids alone, slick ... ;-)

[Donnachaidh]

42. you seem to make it your business to know all the dirty laundry of the rich and famous

Channeling Ted Casablanca?

"Light a fatty and leave the kids alone, slick ... ;-)"

Back atcha toots...

[Veronica.Franco]

45. just interesting friends, dear ...

some of us have more interesting friends then others ... get a life "toots ... ;-)

[cali]

46. uh, no genius, that's not what you're doing. if you believe that, your

not only a busybody making judgments about people you know jackshit about, but you're also delusional. As I said, you know nothing about this family and its dynamics.

And I'm not the one attacking children, honeypie. That would be little old you.

light a fatty or whatever.

[liberalhistorian]

67. It's very easy for you to say live and let live, when you

are not the wife or children who must deal with this public, deep-seated betrayal. You have no idea what they are going through and you don't seem to care at all, you instead want to castigate them for not living in some kind of hippy-dippy communal fantasy-land. Sorry, that's not the way family emotions usually work. Try having some sympathy and concern for these four children, whose lives have been ripped up and turned upside-down, right from under them. I don't think they quite want to be living in your hippy-dippy commune right now.

And "live and let live" should include the changing of names and not caring about it, because it really is no one else's business what name someone chooses for him or herself.

[Donnachaidh]

41. if not a busybody -- a raging gossip

drop a few more famous names and we'll be impressed.

NOT.

[Bluenorthwest]

74. The circumstances are not the same at all.

Arnold broke two families with his reckless behavior, and he never made any form of effort to make one family out of the two. He and his mistress lied to everyone else in the household. Everyone else was lied to, for a decade. And you think that the kids need to fix that for Arnold? Why? They should fix themselves and each other, the harmed spouses, and shut the liars out of the loop, for lying to them for a decade about such important issues, and in fact allowing Maria to lie to the public for them.
Your concept that deception and lying to wives,husbands and the world is just silly stuff that the kids should get over is flat out disgusting.

[Veronica.Franco]

86. Wow, another judgemental republican? ... here?

Soooooooooooo Democrats can be stoner rocknrollers and do as they please but when a republican does it's go ahead and use him for third base and slide into him like we're Ty Cobb? ....


Ah, I can feel the love in this room ....

"LOVE, LOVE, LOVE" ... boom boom boom ... I miss The Beatles ... O8)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

57. "Clint Eastwood has TWENTYFIVE kids"

Really?

[Veronica.Franco]

62. Seriously ...

He uses a local country club for their private holiday party ... it's one of the best kept secrets around ... they say the kids are all quite remarkable and well-educated ... they're all happy to see each other as are their mothers ... it's a family affair ...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

65. It's such a well-kept secret you're the only one who knows it?

You know of 18 kids nobody else knows about.

[Veronica.Franco]

68. The club ...

he's affiliated with is called Tehama ... the table is set for at least 25 ... maybe they're wrong and they're not all his ... they could be bringing close friends along, but the people working the event believe he has far more children the the seven that has been commonly reported ... "enough for a healthy game of baseball" ... http://www.tehamagolfclub.com/

and nobody knows John Travolta is not welcome at Pebble Beach anymore either ... nobody but me? ... ;-)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

79. I can see why it's still a secret if he takes all 25 to lunch at his club.

And if the table is set for "at least 25,"
they must all be his kids. It only follows.

"... maybe they're wrong and they're not all his ..."

Hmm. :*

[Veronica.Franco]

80. It only goes to show you ...

In Hollywood anything goes ... you can be a rock-star, actor, producer, in the theater, and nobody will bat an eye if you ask for extra service at the club from the masseur or set a few extra chairs at a holiday get-together ... anything goes short of starting a Mormon compound ...

But in politics there will ALWAYS be someone digging around to find out what's what and who's who ... no matter how long it's been ...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

90. And there'll always be anonymous people on the internet making up preposterous lies about you.

Or, you know, passing along somebody else's preposterous lies.
:hi: :puke: :hi:

[Veronica.Franco]

91. I've found that kids seem to adjust better then adults do ... if you give them the chance ...

Adults are so terrified ... of what? ... the truth? ... the children? ... the number of children? ... themselves? .... there's nothing new here ... is there? ...

Kids seem to find it easier to love each other, they don't see color, they forgive quicker, and they give love easier then the adults can ... no matter who their DAD is ...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

93. I just talked to Clint & he said he heard you have 50 children.

And I said, "If somebody said it, it must be true."

[Veronica.Franco]

95. Somebody's had a rough day ....

Group hug ..... :loveya:

hope it all works out for your family ....

[A-Schwarzenegger]

97. Please don't be ashamed of going forth and multiplying

and multiplying. By now many of your children have
likely adapted to your proclivity better than you have.
Do your best, buck up, move on. :pals: :hi:

[Veronica.Franco]

99. Thanks ...

But I've been a ghost since 1591 ... out of the body ... so it's all been a very ethereal experience for me ...

good luck ...

[bettyellen]

92. no he didn't, and her Mom was too much of a dipshit to tell her daughter

poor kid figured it out herself.

[a la izquierda]

59. Whoa, whoa, whoa...

as a child of an adulterous marriage, I think I can safely say that you've got no idea what these kids are going through, so you can keep your sanctimony to yourself. I'm assuming that you've either not been cheated on, or did not have one of your parents betrayed in such a way. If either of these situations applied to you, your an incredibly callous person and I feel terribly sorry for you.

[geardaddy]

88. Yeah, grow up and accept the fact that you're dad's a douche.

Just get over it Patrick.

:sarcasm:

[Veronica.Franco]

89. He's a young man of the world ...

He's been well-educated, he's already seen tragedy, and he knows the difference between being disappointed in somebody and something truly serious ... like a serious illness or a death in the family ...

He's a Kennedy and Arnold's son ... time to learn to roll with the punches .... and cherish his new siblings ...

I bet he's a big enough person to wrap his head around it ...

And so are you, geardaddy ...

This is a teaching moment for this family ... for all of us ... are we gonna love or judge or hate or point our fingers in disgust? ... that'd be gettin' a bit old for me ...

It'd be easier to love your new brother ... I bet the kid is hurting too and wouldn't he love Patrick to put his arms around him and welcome him to the family? ...

I'm gonna get all sentimental and warm and fuzzy now ...

cause, face it, it's really easier on your digestion ...

[geardaddy]

94. I respect what you're saying in some ways I agree...

but we don't know what else this kid's gone through. I say let him change his name when he can legally do so, and if he wants to change it back, he should be allowed to that, too. Changing his name is not going change the fact that Der Governator is his father.

[Veronica.Franco]

96. well he's already ...

changed the name on his FB page ... I hope he eventually gives his new siblings a chance as the kids are the innocent victims .... always ... there is strength in numbers and I wish them all the best ...

[Arugula Latte]

98. His father is the one who needs to grow up. He's been stuck in adolecence for decades.

[cayanne]

20. Shriver is so much easier than Schwarzenegger n/t

[lunatica]

28. Remember. He's known the other woman all his life

She probably took care of him too. He must feel as betrayed by her as he feels about his father. I can understand how upset he must be. This isn't his father just being unfaithful to his mother, thought that's certainly bad enough, but to find out he was brought up partially by the other woman on a daily basis in his home must be devastating . His trust must be shattered. The rest of the kids must feel the same way.

The children will probably never be the same again. There are few things that turn your world upside down more than your trust being shattered by a parent. He must look at his father and wonder, "Who the hell are you?"

[AtomicKitten]

38. With the gene pool he was endowed with, he's surprisingly pretty cute.

His name change is indicative of how his father's indiscretions have hurt the entire family. I hope Maria and kids rebound with peace and happiness. Schwarzenegger can suck it.

[LisaL]

70. It looks like the kids got the best features from each parent.

[TheWraith]

47. Kicked and recommended! nt

[A-Schwarzenegger]

49. I may drop it myself.

:*

[Veronica.Franco]

51. Nah, don't change a thing ...

Have barbeques every summer and a holiday party every winter and invite them all ... in a few years the rough edges will all even out ...

Kids follow the heart that is the strongest leader ... "All ya need is love" ... it's a great tune! ....

[A-Schwarzenegger]

52. Googled "Veronica Franco."

Never heard of her before. 16th Cent. feminist poet,
for those who didn't know. It's an honor that you dropped
in to encourage me, V. Thanks.

[Veronica.Franco]

54. All the best wishes ...

They made a move about Veronica Franco's life ... "Dangerous Beauty" ... Enjoy it sometime! ....

[Sequoia]

53. Sounds better with his first name anyway.

[cottonseed]

56. It polls better.

[undeterred]

61. "Sperminator"

:rofl:

[Dappleganger]

63. He's only 17.

Kids express many things they don't mean later on, and this will probably pass as well. At least he didn't go out, get drunk and run some poor soul over with his car. His anger is justified but will probably change with time as he ages.

[mzteris]

77. my son dropped his dad's

when he was 14. He'll probably change it legally after he turns 18 later this year. No longer "angry" - but still refuses to use it. (and his dad doesn't blame him. He knows he bears the responsibility for it because of his behaviour.)

[ElboRuum]

69. Wow Patrick, I didn't think you had it in you!

I mean, I've seen some things in my time, but a 17 year old acting out in disapproval against his father? That's a first.

:eyes:

[Change Happens]

71. Should change it to Kennedy!

:)

[TNLib]

73. I feel bad for this family. I hope in time they will heal.

I don't like to judge people about these type of things, but it seems to me if your a public figure and your going to have an affair, discretion is in order. Fathering a child with a person that works for the family and then announcing it publicly is not very discrete. Arnold has done allot of damage to his family.

[Burma Jones]

81. Well, if you're looking for a male role model....Sargent Shriver beats Ahnold any day