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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:56 PM
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What's in a name. Does anyone know if the name used on Arnold's son birth certificate was made up?
Am I reading this right? Did the husband of the woman who fathered Arnold's son change his last name to Pena? Because, the meaning of Pena would be extremely revealing of his sentiment if he made it up.

According to the article:

She listed her then-husband, Rogelio Baena as the dad.

Baena used a different last name on the birth certificate -- Pena.


http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/18/arnold-schwarzenegger-love-child-mildred-patty-baena-out-of-wedlock-maria-shriver-staff-member-moved-out-retired-from-position-secret-separated-split-revealed/

Translation of PENA
1
castigo : punishment, penalty <pena de muerte : death penalty>
2
aflicción : sorrow, grief <morir de pena : to die of a broken heart> <¡qué pena! : what a shame!, how sad!>
3
dolor : pain, suffering
4
dificultad : difficulty, trouble <a duras penas : with great difficulty>
5
vergüenza : shame, embarrassment
6
valer la pena : to be worthwhile
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:02 PM
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1. I really don't know.
He's a kid whose life has been turned into a circus. I think people should just leave the kid alone.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:04 PM
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2. It's not the kid, it's the father (not Arnold)
If he did change the name, it may be a reflection of what he felt about the whole thing. I just hope that boy's welfare is being looked after.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:08 PM
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3. The boy just won the lotto
Money coming his way alone with celebrity, and fame. If he has Arnold's DNA, he has Arnold's thirst for fame.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:13 PM
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4. i'd guess it's more to do with spanish naming conventions.
the maternal/paternal surname thing.

Each surname can also be composite, the parts usually linked by the preposition de (of) or by a hyphen. Therefore a person's name could be like Juan Pablo (name) Fernández de Calderón (first, paternal, surname) García-Iglesias (second, maternal, surname).

Therefore, José Antonio Calderón Iglesias can be addressed as Señor Calderón (Mr Calderón), instead of Señor Iglesias (Mr Iglesias), because Calderón is his paternal surname — not a middle name — because Spanish naming customs do not share the Anglophone middle name concept. Furthermore, Mr Calderón might be informally addressed as (i) José Antonio (Joseph Anthony), (ii) José (Joseph), (iii) Pepe (nickname for José), (iv) Antonio (Anthony), and (v) Toño (Tony). In other instances, someone may be referred to primarily by their maternal surname. For example, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero (elected for terms as Prime Minister of Spain in the 2004 and 2008 general elections) is often called simply Zapatero, the name he inherited from his mother's family, since Rodríguez is perceived as too common.

Colombian writer Gabriel García Márquez is sometimes referred to in English media as Señor Márquez, but he is actually Señor García Márquez or, simply, Señor García.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:15 PM
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5. I know. The mother's name actually comes last, in contrast to the way
it's done in English.

But, is "Pena" a made up name? Or is a secondary family name?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:29 PM
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6. i think it's a real surname.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:39 PM
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7. Hannah. I know that Pena is a legitimate name. I mean, is it really
part of THEIR family name.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 04:46 PM
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9. my apologies. what i'm saying is, i would guess it is because of the maternal/
paternal thing.

because i don't see why a name that wasn't a part of their family name would be on official documents.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 02:40 PM
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8. I think the poster is asking if there is anybody actually named Pena involved.
Is Pena the actual name of one of the parents? If not, it would imply that this name was used on the birth certificate as a way of making a point.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 04:47 PM
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10. except that you can't just put names on birth certificates to make a point.
that i know of, anyway.
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