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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:08 AM
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Wisconsinites, please get the word out -- Photo IDs are NOT required for the recall elections
People voting in the recall elections will be asked for the proper photo ID, but will be allowed to vote anyway if they don't have it. They'll be told they'll need the ID for next year's elections.

There's been a lot of confusion on this, in part because some Wisconsin papers got the story wrong at first, and in part because the changes made in the bill ARE confusing (and were probably intended by the GOP to be confusing).

As this update at FDL explains:

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/11/update-wisconsin-photo-id-requirement-would-take-effect-after-recalls-other-parts-of-bill-would-take-effect-before/

Update: Wisconsin Photo ID Requirement Would Take Effect After Recalls, Other Parts of Bill Would Take Effect Before
By: David Dayen Wednesday May 11, 2011 6:10 am

-snip-

That’s how it read Monday night. Sometime between Monday night and Tuesday, the story changed.

Now this is actually fairly common, to see rewrites in a story from the first time it appears on the Web to press time. But this amounts to a negation of the entire story. If voters will simply get asked for photo ID for the recalls but allowed to vote anyway, then the urgency of passage is merely a function of Wisconsin Republicans getting the most possible right-wing bills into circulation before losing the state Senate. Because the Wisconsin State Journal has now lost credibility with me, I sought other sources, including the bill text, before determining that the photo ID provisions of the bill would not be operative for the recalls.

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I'm guessing that even Wisconsin's power-mad Republicans realized they couldn't get away with having a photo-ID voting requirement that would take effect in less than two months.

But I'm also guessing that they're hoping to create enough confusion that many Democratic voters who don't have the necessary ID now won't realize they don't need it for the recall elections, and will stay away as a result.

As the FDL article notes, another part of the legislation WILL take effect before the recall elections. That's the change requiring that voters live at their current address for 28 days instead of 10 days, as previously required.

With the recall elections scheduled for July 12, that will disqualify all voters who have moved at the end of June. So it will impact renters and students -- more likely Democratic voters -- disproportionately.

Nothing can be done about that change, at this time.

But it's VERY important that Wisconsin Democrats get the word out to all registered Democrats in the state that the photo-ID requirement won't be in effect for the recall elections. Voters who are getting only piecemeal accounts of the news will otherwise be likely to forget about voting, if they can't get a new ID in time.

And groups that vote Democratic are of course the ones the photo-ID requirement is targeting.

From Rick Ungar at Forbes:

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/05/10/wisconsin-set-to-disenfranchise-likely-democratic-party-voters/



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Do you know who are the least likely to make the trek to the DMV and wait for hours in line to spend $28.00? Students.

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Most disturbing is the fact that for many of those who do not already have a driver’s license, which includes (per the 2005 study) 74% of the African-American community and 66% of the Hispanic community, the $28.00 charge is no small thing.

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Many counties in Wisconsin have only one DMV office, some of which are only open one day per week.

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UPDATE: Since posting, I’ve had some questions regarding the effect of the legislation on senior citizens. While there is an exception built into the draft that would exempt people living in nursing and retirement homes from compliance, other senior citizens would have to provide the identification as required. According to Sen. Bob Jauch (D), some 175,000 seniors do not have driver’s licenses and may have to “get a ride at least 50 miles round trip to obtain an identification card to enable them to continue their constitutional right to vote.”



This photo-ID legislation comes from the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

A lot of what Ungar calls the "remarkably repressive" legislation introduced and passed in Wisconsin this year comes from ALEC.

But Ungar notes that the other bad legislation from ALEC "pales in importance when compared to this bald faced effort to take away voting rights" from groups likely to vote Democratic.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:21 AM
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1. K&R
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:53 AM
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3. Thanks!
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:59 AM
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2. But, they *are* required if you want to have a drink before you vote.
:toast:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:19 PM
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:10 PM
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4. A state ID is supposed to be free if you ask
The version of the bill that I read a while ago provided that state IDs (not valid for driving) would be provided free of charge if you ask for it to be free. This ID requirement would have been unconstitutional as a poll tax if they hadn't written that into the bill. However, a birth certificate or similar document is required in order to get that ID, and those who have lost theirs or never had one will have to go to the expense and trouble of getting one.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:11 PM
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5. Thank you! I've seen this incorrect info being spread here, too!
K&R
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:23 PM
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16. Yes it has - thanks to Madison's own Wisconsin State Journal
publishing incorrect information as of May 9. It appears it's taking the state's newspapers some time to all get on the same page re this issue. Wonder if this is intentional.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_ccba4612-7a96-11e0-ab6e-001cc4c002e0.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:17 PM
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:19 PM
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7. So you support Voter ID?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:20 PM
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:21 PM
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10. Sure, but the last question in your post made me think you support it. Do you?
Simple question, really.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:24 PM
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:27 PM
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12. Weird!
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:23 PM
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19. Hey, at least it kicked your thread for you.
Even though it smelled bad. :)
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:35 PM
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13. keek
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:05 PM
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14. FDL= Firedog Lake AND Fond du Lac - Check out the FDL Reporter article >
Edited on Wed May-11-11 06:25 PM by eowyn_of_rohan
I just wonder if this is intentional that some state newspapers are still not getting it right.

Voter ID rules would impact July 12 recall elections
Fond du Lac City Clerk Sue Strands said she doesn’t disagree with a voter identification bill, but she doesn’t agree with it completely either. (good that she's "non-partisan"...)

The prevention of potential voter fraud is a good thing, she said. But the changes will be difficult for clerks, election officials and voters. “My whole problem with this is educating the voter,” she said. “This is going to be a problem for (some of) them. It’s going to be confusing to people and they (the state) are looking to do this before the (July 12) recall election.”

...Fond du Lac County Clerk Lisa Freiberg said she hopes the new requirements won’t keep voters away from the polls. “I hope people plan ahead and make sure their driver’s license is updated,” she said, adding that many people forget to renew their licenses.

Voters likely will need to sign a poll book and poll workers will need to verify the person on an identification card is the person planning to vote.

http://www.fdlreporter.com/article/20110511/FON0101/110510146/Voter-ID-rules-would-impact-July-12-recall-elections?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:22 PM
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15. k/r
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:28 PM
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17. K & R !!!
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:22 PM
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18. Boot
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999998th word Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:01 AM
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20. How about voting absentee
Can we push absentee ballot applications?

Can that be done in conjunction with registration efforts now?

Seems, if this would work,it might be a good way to mitigate some of the damage done.

I fully intend to do what I can.

This is a not unexpected new low.I despise these fucking waste of skin pukes.Every last

ALEC Koch etc..bought and paid for one of them for stealing the future of our kids.

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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:47 AM
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22. That's a good question
I wonder that, too. I've been so wrapped up in the recount that I haven't spent much time on other issues lately.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:01 AM
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21. Fight Back! You can become a voting registration officer.
You can fight back by becoming a Special Registration Deputy with the authority to register new voters on a state-wide basis.

Per my information, in Wisconsin state training for Special Registration Deputies (SRDs) was suspended until after the May Special Elections. The SRD program will be revisited in mid-May and training may be scheduled depending on Board staff work priorities at that time.

To sign up for becoming a Special Registration Deputy, call Allison Coakley, Training Coordinator, Elections Division, Wisconsin Government Accountability Board: [email protected] or (608) 261-2033.

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