ABC/Washpo poll: Romney 49% - Obama 46%

[woolldog]

among registered voters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-loses-bin-laden-bounce-romney-on-the-move-among-gop-contenders/2011/06/06/AGT5wiKH_story.html

Can't say I'm surprised, Obama has been very bad at developing a message, sticking too it, and conveying it to the American people. Too much compromising and vacillating and letting the Republicans (and even some congressional Dems) run all over him, and not enough strong leadership from the President. Examples: health care, not getting a big enough stimulus, both of which happened with strong Democratic majorities in the House and Senate

I will be voting for Obama. But it's looking bleak.

[Renew Deal]

1. "looking bleak"

:rofl:

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[Eagle Mall]

17. some people only see what they want to see.

[Atman]

2. Of ferchrissake.

The spread is within the MOE. And it's a year and a half before the election. The only thing bleak is your attitude.

[jenmito]

3. YAY!

Right? :eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

5. Yes and Hillary was "inevitable" at this same time in 2007.

[Eagle Mall]

12. and then she was decimated. Romney will go down ten times worse.

But he probably won't even be the candidate.

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. This is a desperate gambit to *make* Romney the candidate

Everybody else loses in a landslide. The corporate R's problem is that their nutso allies in the conservative base won't vote in the primaries for the only guy with an outside shot: Romney. So, they start floating this kind of stuff in a desperate attempt to get him through the primaries in one piece.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

73. They keep trying to shove Mittens down our throat, but Tweety said it best...

It's like a new brand of dog food that the owners are convinced the dog will like. And no matter how amazing this new brand is, the dog still hates it!!

[wordpix]

26. when hopefully people find out about his offshore tax haven business

:)

[juajen]

91. Excuse me, Hillary Clinton was not decimated. This is pure bullshit! NT

[Ian David]

[Politicalboi]

25. LOL!

Don't do it!!!!!

[vaberella]

62. Lemmings. n/t

[Mass]

7. These polls are meaningless at this point of time. A lot of things will happen in 18 months

so dont spend too much time on this.

[woolldog]

15. True.

I'm still a little troubled by the poll...Should we be pulling for Palin?

[jenmito]

8. Yet today's Gallup Tracking Poll has Obama at 50% approval, 40% disapproval.

You like THOSE poll numbers? http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

[woolldog]

14. So what? That's not a head to head matchup,

Some of those who approve of Obama's performance, could still prefer to vote for Romney

[jenmito]

18. So when the debates start, Romney's flip-flops are pointed out, and ads are run,

Obama will BEAT Romney-especially since more people approve of him than Romney.

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[JoePhilly]

35. maybe the stupid one.

[Drunken Irishman]

39. It means a helluva lot and someone as seasoned as you with polls knows that...

But it doesn't fit your negative narrative.

Has any president with a 50% approval rating ever lost reelection? Of course not. You know this. So it suggests the ABC Poll might just, you know, be one poll and wrong. There are polls that occasionally don't line up with the other ones.

Why should I believe this ABC poll until another supports its claim? Better question, why do you?

[Hippo_Tron]

80. Doesn't happen with Presidents in any significant numbers

The better point is that you can't compare approval rating in one poll to vote preference in another poll. I'd like to see the crosstabs for ABC's poll and what they came up with for approval rating, but they won't release that info obviously.

[Godhumor]

9. Love when the media cherry-picks polls. Love it here, too n/t

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[AtomicKitten]

11. hokey smokes!

[liberal N proud]

13. At this rate Romney will have 150% approval in 2 weeks

Form 16 to 49 in such short period of time, he is liable to go through the roof and keep going into the stratosphere and beyond.

What a fucking joke!

[JuniperLea]

16. Oh dear...

Sorta early to be fretting so much over a poll... an ABC poll, no less!

Please don't hurt yourself this early in the game.

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. All I can say is...

:rofl:

[KeyserSoze87]

21. More bullshit from the "liberal" media.

First of all, Obama's bin Laden bounce has not "dissipated." Based on polling from yesterday, Obama's approval rating was 50% on Gallup, which is only one or two points from where it was after the killing of bin Laden. Second, Clinton was losing to Bob Dole by a much larger margin back in 1995. And guess what? He won by a landslide the following year. This is just more propaganda by the corporate media to try to convince people to vote for Romney, or whatever idiot is picked to run against Obama. To tell you the truth, I'd rather swim through ten miles of raw sewage than have Mitt Romney as president.

[CakeGrrl]

23. Sorry, not as worried as you. Not nearly.

But kudos for finding the one outlying poll on which to hang your hat. Washington Post, no less. Next time maybe you can get it directly from NewsMax or Drudge.

:rofl:

[woolldog]

30. wtf?

You're equating ABC and Washington Post to Drudge and Newsmax? Thats dumb.

Pretty sure ABC/Washington Post polls are cited here all the time. I guess because you don't like the results of this particular one, it's no longer legit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=ABC%2FWash&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&sa=Search&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

[CakeGrrl]

31. The Washington Post is the most

RW-friendly of the more "reputable" news sources, IMO. And that poll is an outlier out of what's been put out thus far.

But as has been pointed out, it's way too early to determine who's trending up or down.

[PassingFair]

83. Perhaps you are thinking of the Moonie Washington TIMES nt

[Enthusiast]

41. ABC is essentially indistinguishable

from Fox News. They have no credibility whatsoever.

[woolldog]

45. Oh really?

DU didn't seem to have a problem with them when they published this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=593297&mesg_id=593297

[woolldog]

46. or this.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7655788&mesg_id=7655788

[Enthusiast]

50. ABC is exactly the same as Fox,

only the name is different.

[jefferson_dem]

24. "I will be voting for Obama. But it's looking bleak."

:rofl: Good one.

[namahage]

27. A question:

"Is the election this November?"

Or is it only a question when the polls are favorable to Obama?

[andym]

28. It should be a wakeup message to the White House

Messaging is important.

[Eagle Mall]

34. They have never been asleep.

[elleng]

48. ...

:thumbsup:

[MadBadger]

29. Two polls last week had him up against Romney

Not sure I agree with your looking bleak interpretation

[elleng]

32. Oh, right. BREAKING: Kerry 48...Bush 43

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x685589

[JoePhilly]

36. Why are you trying to kill some one's mastabatory fantasy?

Let's them enjoy this poll.

[elleng]

44. THAT's what they do with polls???

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. Sssshhhhh! The cat's out of the bag...

:spray:

[boppers]

61. Why do you think there's so many of them?

:evilgrin:

[ProSense]

33. Anything could happen. Who knows,

Romney could be the GOP nominee and voters could be fooled again, but he isn't yet and the election is more than 16 months away.

The interesting thing is that the poll shows the rest of the GOP field trailing badly (though the numbers for Palin and Bachmann seem too high).

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[Peacetrain]

43. Ah an oldie but goodie

Wright was going to sink the Obama candidacy.. ahhh you bring back memories

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

54. "Why'd he" have to go and bring that up again, LOL.

[Cali_Democrat]

38. It's the economy, stupid. n/t

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[Cali_Democrat]

59. Perhaps you're not familiar with that statement.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid

[Thrill]

42. 49% of this country doesn't even remember

who the hell Romney is.

And anyone can poll good when the campaign against them hasn't started

[wisteria]

51. LOL

Who did Romney pay off to gain this with in the margin of error lead? I have no doubt President Obama will win reelection.

[DCBob]

53. Hard to believe there are only 6 % undecided this far out from the election..

makes me think its bogus.

[fujiyama]

55. Looking bleak?

LOL, have you never read or paid attention to polls before? That too, a poll conducted 17 months before the election? Before the primaries have even concluded?

Romney is the GOP front runner, by default but he hasn't even gone through the GOP ringer. The other republicans haven't even really even begun trashing him over the healthcare bill in MA, not to mention his changing views on just about every social issue, becoming a radical conservative after he realized being viewed as a moderate would kill him in '08.

[Zoeisright]

56. Good GOD. It's more than 15 MONTHS until the election.

This is ridiculous. A million things can and happen between now and then. ANY poll now is stupid and worthless.

[DCBob]

57. If Romney wins the GOPer nomination, more than likely there will be a Teabagger Indy candidate..

which will suck about 10-20% of the Rethug vote which will make it a cake walk for the President.

[Blasphemer]

58. One poll compared to many that say the opposite. It's not remotely bleak

I have yet to see a poll where any GOP candidates crack 50% against Obama. He'll be re-elected. If the electorate is unhappy it is more likely to be reflected in the House and Senate.

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[jaysunb]

64. Bullshit !

:evilfrown:

[themaguffin]

65. the election is 5 years from now. that's right 5 years from now

because that's the exact amount of time that poll is from the political reality of Nov 2012.

Let's see how things look after the GOP beat up season and Democratic ads showing Mittey flip floping every which way on EVERY FUCKING ISSUE.

[HughBeaumont]

66. You're missing a few things -

Liiiiiiiiike, for instance, that Romney is a "False Christian" to many TeaHadists . . .

or that the Democrats have learned their Kerry lessons and are now relentless campaigners. All they need to do is the following:

a) hit Romney hard on his position reversals and lack of a serious economic plan .. . .

b) remind voters of their Fascist govs and their sodomic agenda, which every RepubliCON candidate supports . . .

c) remind voters of Paul Ryan . . .

d) remind voters of WHO CAUSED THIS MESS!!!

I mean, does America REALLY hate Obama THAT bad that they would elect the same agenda the Fascist Govs are doing; you know, the one that got us into this mess in the first place, only suckier? Does America REALLY want that for the country? Is America THAT phenomenally stupid to blame Obama for it's 30-year Republicanomic fisting?

[Vicar In A Tutu]

67. President Dukakis likes this.

It reminds him of the point at which he went 17 up against Bush en route to a landslide victory. Similarly, Presidents Mondale, Dole and McCain also recall with great fondness the watershed moment they went up against their respective opponents, never to be pegged back.

[jefferson_dem]

68. A proven outlier.

Sorry.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x685909

[jenmito]

69. Un oh-latest Reuters/Ipsos poll (taken Fri.-Mon.) has Obama beating Romney, 51%-38%!:

Obama leads all potential Republican challengers by double-digit margins. He is ahead of his closest Republican rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, by 13 percentage points -- 51 percent to 38 percent.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110608/ts_nm/us_usa_campaign_poll
Feel better?

[Thrill]

70. 49% Don't know who Romney is

thats how you know this poll is full of shit

[Hippo_Tron]

78. If you assume Romney's numbers go down if people get to know him

I'd like to see their numbers on Generic R vs Obama.

[Tarheel_Dem]

71. Again, I say.....

:rofl:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

72. I recommended just because of your "looking bleek" retort. You know better!

A day, a month, a year...that's an eternity in politics. From minute to minute, day to day, events occur and alter the political landscape. John Kerry was leading Dumbya Bush in the last week of the 2004 Election. Then we got the bin Laden tape and it turned things around just like that.

Polls don't mean shit right now. Don't sweat it.

[Mass]

74. OK, three polls. 2 showing Obama ahead. 1 showing Romney ahead/

All three have about the same value: ZERO.

[Moe Joe]

75. Meaningless

The election is seventeen months away.

[GSLevel9]

76. Does anyone realize that President Obama just STARTED

teh second HALF of his term 4 months ago???

[Arkana]

77. Considering it's the only poll that gives Romney any kind of edge over Obama

that even exists I'm going to say their methodology is flawed.

[Tarheel_Dem]

79. Oh, did I forget to do this?

:rofl:

[BlueMTexpat]

81. Interestingly, there is another DU thread with a poll saying exactly the opposite.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x686031

Bleak indeed! :rofl:

The polls I'll be more concerned about will be those at this time next year.

[Amimnoch]

82. Yet another poll has President Obama beating all of their candidates by double digits

link to article

Obama leads all potential Republican challengers by double-digit margins, the poll showed. He is ahead of his closest Republican rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, by 13 percentage points -- 51 percent to 38 percent.

The point is that it is very early, the real campaigning hasn't even begun yet. These numbers will change weekly (if not daily).

IMHO, unless President Obama has a serious primary challenge, the economy tanks, or some major disaster happens between now and election day he is very likely to have his second term, and the repub's don't have much of a chance of taking the presidency.

I also predict that we will take the House of Representatives back.

My main area of concern for 2012 is the Senate. That is going to be the real battleground for us. Even under the best of conditions we're extremely unlikely to gain cloture strength, and a very good chance that we will loose our majority... but on a positive note, there's pretty much no chance that the pugs will gain the supermajority either.

[catgirl]

84. How bleak of you

[woolldog]

85. UPDATE:

Based on polling data that have come out subsequently, this poll appears to be an outlier. Please disregard.

:hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. I'll bookmark this for the next time things look "bleak".

:rofl:

[woolldog]

87. haha

:rofl:

[Safetykitten]

88. Nothing to see here. Move along. Everything is just peachy.

[cottonseed]

89. Business and Hollywood will break for Obama

It's over.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

90. Now that I think about this a bit more, this poll is an outlier precisely

due to the excitement of Romney's announcement. It could reflect the impact of the event; in other words, a little bump for him. But, the rest of the polls are showing a different story. Obama is ahead of all his potential Rethug challengers.