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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:25 PM
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Sen. Rand Paul will oppose Patriot Act renewal
http://paul.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=331014&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDBswx90Cs&feature=player_embedded

Stunning speech in the video, I don't care what party he's in, he's right on this issue. The Pauls have always been against the unPatriot Act, BTW.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:28 PM
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1. How about a Rand Paul group?
I don't care what he opposes, he's a moron.

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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:31 PM
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3. This is a major issue that will effect us all
We must line up both sides to get as much support as possible to oppose re-authorization of this assault on civil liberties.

Oh, and I'd rather post a video of as Democratic Senator saying he would oppose it, but there aren't any I could find (this year, not Fiendgold 9 years ago).
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:36 PM
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8. Then
let him oppose it, I don't need to promote morons.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:37 PM
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9. just campaign openly for them already.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:07 AM
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21. Not only a moron, but a dangerous moron!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:29 PM
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2. Then I am for the Patriot Act renewal
I will not stand on the same platform as him.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:49 PM
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12. Lol, typical. Never mind principles.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:32 PM
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4. Good. F*** the patriot act and anyone who supports it.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:50 PM
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15. I concur.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:59 AM
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17. Obama's admin supports it.
It's quite the divisive issue.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:30 AM
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19. Among liberals/dems, there should be nothing divisive about how the P.A. infringes our rights.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 08:31 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
Very telling for the Obama admistration indeed.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:39 PM
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27. Strange bedfellows, and all that....
Plus the problem with how the P.A. is portrayed, vs. the practical applications.

For example, the roving wiretap provision: If you wanted to get around legal, court-ordered, wiretaps, before the P.A., all you had to do was switch the phones you used every few days. By the time the paperwork went through to tap a new phone line, you could have already discarded or stop using it. (Think payphones, disposable cell phones, etc.)
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:33 PM
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5. WTF
Where were these lunkheads during the Bu$hCo admin?

:wtf:
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:42 PM
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10. They were opposing it then
Ron Paul was the most rabid critic of the Patriot Act in the House as soon as it was introduced. The Pauls have always been consistent on this.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:49 PM
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13. Yes.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:46 PM
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25. Dupe
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 01:48 PM by Ter
Delete.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:47 PM
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26. Dupe
delete
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:34 PM
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6. Look, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Paul is right on this one.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:36 PM
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7. he's as credible as the larouche people. peddle this elsewhere.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:49 PM
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14. He is more credible than the corporate dlc types on this issue.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 09:50 PM by krabigirl
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:48 PM
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11. Good. Nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:18 AM
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16. knr nt
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:10 AM
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18. Let it expire. Nothing will change, but it's a huge PR win.
The "freedom fighters" can rally about beating "the man", and the exact same things will require a few more rubber stamps, but will still happen.

Before PATRIOT:
TLA: "Let us see this?"
Org: "Okay."

With PATRIOT:
TLA: "Let us see this? We have shiny paperwork!"
Org: "Okay."

After PATRIOT:
TLA: "Let us see this?"
Org: "Okay."
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:37 AM
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20. Who cares what he think? He is wrong about nearly everything
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 08:42 AM by Mass
Do you need validation so much that you need to tell us that Rand Paul agree with you on something?
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:20 AM
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22. Be careful - Libertarianism is seductive
There are two parts: the reasonable civil libertarian (little-l) side and the nutso capitalism-is-literally-God side. People get taken in by the first before they know about the second.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:28 PM
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23. That's nice. He's still a walking piece of human vomit.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:32 PM
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24. The Patriot Act is against the US Constitution.
So, Rand paul is right on this one.
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