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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 03:43 PM
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Hagel for Defense Secretary?
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/08/24/hagel_for_defense_secretary.html

Hagel for Defense Secretary?


Former Sen. Chuck Hagel's (R-NE) endorsement this week of Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) for U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania could be a reminder to the White House about his very loose ties to the Republican party as they look for a replacement for Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Chris Cillizza: "Hagel has made no secret of his interest in serving in the Obama Administration... Hagel is rightly understood as trying out for a Cabinet job and the more he can show a willingness to put party aside to do what he believes is the right thing, the more attractive he will be to President Obama and his inner circle."

Ben Smith: "Hagel would provide some of the same political cover as Gates, shielding Obama if Petraeus or the generals complain about a lack of White House commitment to Afghanistan or other defense issues. And he has other assets. Being one of the Senate club might ensure an easy confirmation. He's also ideologically in sync with Obama, to a degree at least: He opposed the war in Iraq, has spoken of the need to leave Afghanistan, and -- though this is hazier territory -- has infuriated supporters of Israel for a refusal to sign on to the many statements of support on the Hill for the Jewish State, and by suggesting the more dispassionate approach to that conflict that -- on some days -- Obama seems to prefer."
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 03:54 PM
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1. Because there are no progressives available?
We're just feeding the misperception that democrats are "soft on defense" by continually appointing republicans under democratic presidents. Clinton did this, and now we're suppose to do 2 in a row under Obama? The way you get "qualified" democrats for future administrations is by appointing them to the various deputy and "under Secretary" positions. You pick republicans for cabinets, you young republicans in those positions.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 03:56 PM
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2. Do you have any suggestions, and preferably someone with
a decent background such as Hagel's?

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:12 PM
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3. Clark?
I'm less concerned about who the person is, as who he puts on his staff. And really, I'd rather have someone who didn't already have skin in this game like Hagel does. I'd say Richardson, but I'm not sure that he has his legal problems worked out.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:45 PM
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10. Richardson does not have Hagel's military experience
As to people that Hagel might bring in, you might consider that he currently is with a Kerry aligned foreign policy think tank headed by Gary Hart. Hagel, Biden and Kerry were the three people who on a trip to Afghanistan and Pakistan came up with the idea that became Kerry/Lugar/Biden.

He also is involved with the Atlantic Council. Here is a link to where he and Kerry released a paper on Pakistan - http://www.acus.org/event_blog/john-kerry-and-chuck-hagel-unveil-atlantic-councils-pakistan-report


On Wednesday, February 25, Senator John Kerry and former Senator and Atlantic Council Chairman Chuck Hagel unveiled Needed: A Comprehensive U.S. Policy Towards Pakistan, the report of the Atlantic Council's Pakistan Task Force, at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee room. Kerry and Hagel both served as co-chairs of the Task Force. Media coverage of the report and its presentation to Congress is compiled below.


The link lets you download the report.

Pakistan is the key to Obama's Afghanistan plan - especially as the McChrystal/Gates/Clinton surge really did not work.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 07:06 PM
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17. He'll start with his own staff
Do you doubt that? He's got a long list of staff an former staff that will be first in line. They'll be the ones helping him develop a list of candidates for various positions. Who do you think will be at the heads of their lists?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:23 PM
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8. I would like to See Clark in there
but I won't hold my breath. I don't know enough about Hagel to really offer much of an opinion. I think this is a tough job and needs someone highly competent.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:48 PM
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11. Hagel and Lugar were by far the best Republicans in the SFRC
and Hagel, a Vietnam vet, was also on the Armed Services Committee.

(Not as much military experience as Clark, but as much as most defense secretaries have had.)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:53 PM
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12. Fine, what about raw intelligence?
Clark is a Rhodes Scholar.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 10:36 PM
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19. I have no intention of comparing Clark and Hagel
I am simply arguing that Hagel is not a bad choice. From watching his comments on the SFRC, he is very intelligent. Clearly Clrk is a very intelligent, capable man, but that does not mean that he is the only one who is.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:36 AM
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21. Hagel was not in the Armed Services committee
he was in the intelligence one.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 05:07 PM
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13. Pete Seeger.
Unrealistic I know, but it would be awesome. :)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 07:48 AM
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24. Who?
Is this a joke?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:40 PM
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25. One of the country's most famous peace advocates.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:51 PM
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26. Progressives and defense don't mix.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:13 PM
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4. NO NO NO. Republicans destroyed our national security!
They broke the Geneva Conventions and trashed the Nuremberg principles and promoted rampant war profiteering.

NO NO NO NO -- please don't keep pretending Republicans are strong on defense. Stop feeding that ridiculous propaganda.

More Democrats have served in the military http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html too, so we don't as casually promote war.

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:16 PM
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5. Obama Must Still Have A Bug Up His Ass About Wesley Clark
WHose credentials are quite a bit stronger than hagel's, not to mention that Clark is a DEMOCRAT! WTF? Does Obama have a problem with Dems??:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 05:27 PM
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16. Wes Clark headed the torture school at Ft. Benning known as SOA/WHINSEC
and Clark's cavorting with known Serbian war criminals is another problem area for him.

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:18 PM
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6. Boo Hiss On chuck hagel (nt)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:20 PM
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7. I don't like his overall stand on policies
Therefore, I wouldn't want him to influence the president to have those policies reflected in the military.

How Hagel voted or stood on various issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/chuck_hagel.htm
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 04:39 PM
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9. No dice. Stop supporting Republicans and the DLC for high level positions
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 05:19 PM
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14. More rumor mill chit chat
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 05:22 PM
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15. NO!
Put a Democrat in charge of the Pentagon, and purge all of Bush's moles and hanger ons.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 07:27 PM
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18. He's a Republican and a bigot
Take a look at the world around you, that is what Republicans in charge of our defense do to the world. On the other hand, he agrees with Obama in his opposition to equal civil rights. Big winner.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:38 AM
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22. He is indeed a republican
He is NOT a bigot.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:32 AM
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20. Hard to believe he would ever be chosen
The MIC would never allow it, if he really is against the wars. No one who is opposed to the wars or empire will ever be selected.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 06:52 AM
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23. Kucinich. nt
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 12:51 PM
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27. Works for me. I like Hagel.
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 12:52 PM by Phx_Dem
And I don't care if he is a Republican -- as long as he's not replacing a Dem in the House of Senate.
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