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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:29 PM
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The President gets an A+ (updated)
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 07:38 PM by ProSense
for hitting the right notes:

  • Expressing compassion

  • Displaying a grasp of the situation

  • Introducing a Gulf restoration plan

  • Hitting BP

  • Stresssing that drilling is becoming a more desperate and dangerous endeavor

  • Explaining that oil is a finite resource

  • Mentioning the bill passed by the House and demanding comprehensive legislation

  • Demanding that politicians find the courage to seize the day and transform our energy future



Updated to add relevant parts of the speech:

I refuse to let that happen. Tomorrow, I will meet with the chairman of BP and inform him that he is to set aside whatever resources are required to compensate the workers and business owners who have been harmed as a result of his company's recklessness. And this fund will not be controlled by BP. In order to ensure that all legitimate claims are paid out in a fair and timely manner, the account must and will be administered by an independent, third party.


I make that commitment tonight. Earlier, I asked Ray Mabus, the Secretary of the Navy, a former governor of Mississippi, and a son of the Gulf, to develop a long-term Gulf Coast Restoration Plan as soon as possible. The plan will be designed by states, local communities, tribes, fishermen, businesses, conservationists, and other Gulf residents. And BP will pay for the impact this spill has had on the region.


One of the lessons we've learned from this spill is that we need better regulations better safety standards, and better enforcement when it comes to offshore drilling. But a larger lesson is that no matter how much we improve our regulation of the industry, drilling for oil these days entails greater risk. After all, oil is a finite resource. We consume more than 20% of the world's oil, but have less than 2% of the world's oil reserves. And that's part of the reason oil companies are drilling a mile beneath the surface of the ocean - because we're running out of places to drill on land and in shallow water.


For decades, we have known the days of cheap and easily accessible oil were numbered. For decades, we have talked and talked about the need to end America's century-long addiction to fossil fuels. And for decades, we have failed to act with the sense of urgency that this challenge requires. Time and again, the path forward has been blocked - not only by oil industry lobbyists, but also by a lack of political courage and candor.


We cannot consign our children to this future. The tragedy unfolding on our coast is the most painful and powerful reminder yet that the time to embrace a clean energy future is now. Now is the moment for this generation to embark on a national mission to unleash American innovation and seize control of our own destiny.

This is not some distant vision for America. The transition away from fossil fuels will take some time, but over the last year and a half, we have already taken unprecedented action to jumpstart the clean energy industry. As we speak, old factories are reopening to produce wind turbines, people are going back to work installing energy-efficient windows, and small businesses are making solar panels. Consumers are buying more efficient cars and trucks, and families are making their homes more energy-efficient. Scientists and researchers are discovering clean energy technologies that will someday lead to entire new industries.

Each of us has a part to play in a new future that will benefit all of us. As we recover from this recession, the transition to clean energy has the potential to grow our economy and create millions of good, middle-class jobs - but only if we accelerate that transition. Only if we seize the moment. And only if we rally together and act as one nation - workers and entrepreneurs; scientists and citizens; the public and private sectors.


When I was a candidate for this office, I laid out a set of principles that would move our country towards energy independence. Last year, the House of Representatives acted on these principles by passing a strong and comprehensive energy and climate bill - a bill that finally makes clean energy the profitable kind of energy for America's businesses.

Now, there are costs associated with this transition. And some believe we can't afford those costs right now. I say we can't afford not to change how we produce and use energy - because the long-term costs to our economy, our national security, and our environment are far greater.





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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:29 PM
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1. ...
:rofl:
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:31 PM
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6. I second that...
:rofl: :spray:
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:58 PM
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57. I third
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:43 PM
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34. I take it you don't agree? n/t
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 11:34 AM
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118. fourth
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 12:04 PM
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119. +00110101...
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:52 PM
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134. Yeah, who's laughing now.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:30 PM
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2. Be careful about saying that kind of stuff on DU.
The dogpile begins in 3...2...1...
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:31 PM
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5. No its ok to say that in GDP
;-)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:30 PM
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3. I thought he was going to do a 1 hour policy dissertation
with charts and shit! :sarcasm:

Some say Daddy didn't deliver, and all of the kids are now pissed!
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:32 PM
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9. ...
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 07:35 PM by politicasista
:rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:32 PM
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10. Just the kids who..
nothing is ever good enough for them. Can't ever be pleased so like the little boy who cried wolf ..I no longer pay attention.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. Deliver us a plan
Deliver us from corporatism
Deliver us clean energy
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:30 PM
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4. He's gets an A++ from me..
The Compassion level was off the charts..he feels it so it's easy to convey.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
55. A- from me.
It was good, but that prayer and American spirit shit makes me want to puke.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #55
72. I don't like religion
at all. But, I felt he was helping those people down there affected the most by this gushing disaster.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:47 AM
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117. That kind of stuff is important to the demographics in the gulf, though
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:31 PM
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:31 PM
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8. Agree. I'm surprised (though I dont' know why) at the asshole reaction.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:32 PM
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11. My husband said he should have stepped in earlier.
Anybody have an answer for this?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Perhaps we should have stepped in earlier......
like about 30 years ago.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:38 PM
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21. No one told us, we couldn't forsee it...
Arrgggh!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
39. Jimmy tried....
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:56 PM
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97. Jimmy tried. Gore tried. Both were mocked out of town by the MSM and the moneyed interests. Mocked.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 10:59 PM by Hekate
And the Murkin People mooed and baaed and went along.

And now this stinking pile is Obama's fault.

Hekate

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:52 PM
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103. so true, Hekate.. .they were MOCKED.
now Obama comes out with this speech that sounds like the spill just happened 7 days ago.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:55 PM
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53. We knew. We just didn't do shit about it.
We voted Jimmy Carter out of office....partially because of the sweater. Remember?
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:09 PM
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80. +100000, Frenchie!
Didn't Carter install solar panels on the WH, only to have a Reagan or Bush tear them down?


I wish that the generation before mine (I'm GenX) had run with the obvious...nistead we are now looking to my SON'S generation to fix this! what a mess...He graduates this week and I swear he has given up on many levels already, he is prepared for the worst of options.

so sad that many laughed collectively at Al Gore when we should have lined up behind him.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:54 PM
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91. The government has been there from the beginning
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 09:55 PM by MadMaddie
here is my thought.

With all of the rhetoric after the bailouts and the healthcare craziness. Government takeover...run for the hills...blah...blah..blah..

I think the government had to let it play out to see if BP and it's "Free Market whores" could pull it off. I think everyone knew after the first week and BPs dysfunctional response that it was not going to end soon. The government could not take over the company until it was proven that BP didn't know shit about what they were doing. Today's congressional hearings also confirmed that none of the oil companies know how to respond to an even like this.

The other point I would make is the government does not posess the resources to respond to an oil gusher. That is not the governments job.

Sadly, a positive result of this thing going on (I do not wish it to go on) the "Free Market, Drill Baby Drill" crowd will have drowned them selves with the tainted black gold. Their theory in action has proven to be a collosal failure. The Ann Raynd theory is dead!

Americans want regulation and not some soft shit regulation. My hope is this goes to the coal industry and other industries that have for too long gotten away with crimes against American citizens and the environment.

Random Thoughts..
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:32 PM
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12. "for hitting the right notes" so giving good speech is the point? pure political expediency, opera
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 07:35 PM by amborin
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:33 PM
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13. Sorry Prosense this thread seems weird...like he was playing out a part in a film or something. n/t
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:37 PM
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18.  Obama "hit all the right notes" as he sang the aria
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:39 PM
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24. I saw your post above mine and I fully agree.
I normally support a lot of Prosense's informative posts. But this is a wonky one.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:35 PM
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15. I agree and don't believe it's the time to map out specifics
and it is an emotional time and we almost have to go on faith that we can stop the oil monster.

CAN YOU IMAGINE ... having that on your shoulders?
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. Yeah, you're right. It's no time for specifics.
There's only 2.7 million gallons of oil leaking into the ocean every day.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. You need to parse better, the specifics that were being demanded by the pundits
He was specific enough for the purposes of the speech.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #27
104. question here... what specific specifics would you have liked?
I think he gave a fair idea of what is going on without going into the science of it all or the probabilties and the projections. Please remember this is the American Idol generation. Have to have it as simple as possible.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:36 PM
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16. nevermind.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 07:36 PM by Cant trust em
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:36 PM
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17. Wow.
What speech did you watch?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. The one where the President didn't have all of the answers......cause no one has them.....
cause he's fucking human, not the magic man some imagine he ought to be.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:40 PM
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28. I have a hard time believing anywhere near 90% of the oil will be
being captured in a couple of weeks. That really seems like fantasy.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #22
46. I've heard better from him.
More details on actions to be taken would have been nice.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Same one I watched. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #17
37. The one outlined in the OP. n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #17
139. The force is strong in that one...........
:eyes:
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:37 PM
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20. I agree
I was surprised by reaction by MSNBC.

He pointed out a big reason we are In this mess Is because of all the let Business police themself crap.He making plans for
plan to restore the gulk.Making plans to make BP pay overseen by Independt person.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:39 PM
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25. Sorry. I have admired lots of his speeches. This one was poor.
Not enough expression of our anger. It is shameful that the industry raking in billions in profits PER QUARTER has not invested in clean up technology. No mention of that.

Forming A COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE? We know BP lied. We know they cut corners on safety. No big mystery at all.

Not enough dynamic change described. Not saying we will demand that all deep water wells henceforth must have secondary blowout preventers and relief wells at the outset. Not demanding that all oil companies will be obligated to bring in fleets of tankers to absorb the oil immediately at the surface when the next disaster occurs.

Too much-- we will welcome ideas from both parties. No no no. Too late for that. We have all the ideas for a clean energy future already-- time for just doing it.

But sure, I did like his mentioning the unfortunate propaganda that regards all regulation with hostility.

But there was a lot more he could have said about clean energy and pushing it through.

I'm very sad that the speech was so weak.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. So what will the GOP do? Drill more wells?
They will try.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. "Not enough expression of our anger"
The talking heads have you trained. You want an actor not a President
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. Damn! On Point!!! n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #35
126. Are you not angry that BP took short cuts on safety to increase their profits?
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 06:38 PM by Overseas
Are you not angry that Big Oil has been allowed to ignore investing in clean up technology for decades now?

Are you not angry that BP has fired people who show up in protective gear to help clean the oil poisoned with dispersants?

Are you not angry that BP had been using clean up technology that was decades old, and didn't gather a fleet of supertankers to suck up the surface oil, but chose to disperse it with toxic Corexit?

I don't want an actor. I hated Ronald Reagan. I don't like Arnold Schwartzenegger either. And the GOP is run by actors who parrot their scripts of the day, unconcerned even when they are on tape saying the exact opposite on other occasions.

I was glad that our president made a few statements against our having talked about moving away from fossil fuels for decades and that now was the time to act.

I was glad that our president called out those who simplistically regard any attempt at regulation with hostility.

I was glad to hear about the Gulf Coast restoration plans.

I just wanted more about re-regulating Big Oil and bolder statements about what we could do by more aggressively pursuing sustainable energy, even urging the Senate to pass the House bill.

I just want the pragmatic, practical president I thought I was getting, who recognized the urgency of ending our over-dependence on fossil fuels and would move even more dramatically on conservation technology and funding solar and wind.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #35
138. To be angry at what is happening in the Gulf
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 07:56 AM by muffin1
should not require 'acting'. I'm angry and I've never had acting classes.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #25
42. Obama is not going to fix thug CAPITALISM overnight nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #42
52. Appointing a political crony (DLC Salazar) to head up Interior...
...instead of an expert watchdog with a track record of protecting our commons IS Crony Capitalism.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #25
49. "We know BP lied."
So now investigations are worthless? Who lied? How many people? What did they lie about? Is Halliburton and Transocean criminally liable?

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #25
56. "Not enough expression of our anger".
You really think him sitting at the desk red-faced, gritting his teeth, and screaming at the camera would have accomplished anything?

He doesn't have Johnson's or Clinton's hair-trigger temper, and as far as I'm concerned he doesn't have to act angry to convince me he's angry.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:39 PM
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26. An A+? Children, take note: this is what comes of storing your head in a
methane-rich environment!

This rated an A+ like Bush was an intellectual and we invaded Iraq because they had WMDs. Oh, and Cheney is a real sweetheart.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #26
31.  Where was accoutability? Praising Salazar>
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:41 PM
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29. good job
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:42 PM
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32. Not even close. Maybe a C
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. exactly - not even close. maybe a C. It's amazing how the post is all ready to go right at the
end, and of course, he get's an A+ in the subject title! lol..

as someone else said in a real hip way, 'daddy didn't deliver', in this instance, I agree. This, of all things, since it was from the Oval Office, needed to be great. It fell short, although not horrible by any means.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:44 PM
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36. I second that ProSense. A+ n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:45 PM
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40. This post is an excellent example of what I was talking about in another thread
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:46 PM
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43. I hoped it would be stronger. Sorry more like a low B.
What is the story with the 90 % capture he was talking about?

Was that new?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. That was BS
They do not even know how much oil is exactly gushing out to be making that BS assumptions.

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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:09 PM
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60. This was just a performance
I don't need him to tell me that prayer is needed to deal with an environmental disaster. What complete and utter bullshit.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. New today, but reported on before the speech.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. God, I hope it works!
He could have given more details, for chumps like me.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:50 PM
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48. He's an excellent speaker - this was not one of his best, sadly.
I watched it with several friends. We all looked at each other after it was over and went, "Hmmm . . . meh."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:56 PM
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54. Completely opposite reaction here
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:21 PM
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It doesn't look like they agree at all. Not at all. n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:32 PM
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76. We can make up our own minds, thanks n/t
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:34 AM
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108. You might want to ask to have this deleted.
Just sayin'.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:54 AM
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113. Have you actually read the responses?
Hardly a consensus, and nothing like the sort of cheering you would have seen if the speech had been really great.

What we got was OK-ish, with a very weak conclusion.

Too late, not enough detail, and too much prayin' at the end.

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:52 PM
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50. Is there anything he could have said that would have made you give this speech a different grade?
I doubt it very seriously. IMO A+ is way over the top.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:53 PM
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51. What about worker safety? Listening to KO
Shocked to hear that clean-up workers had been told that they would be FIRED for using respirators. I could have done with less prayerful verbiage. hope
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 07:59 PM
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:06 PM
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59. Surprising, no?
;)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:12 PM
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61. He did not talk about climate change which brings his grade down to a C.
I have not been critical about the President's response to the oil spill because I just think the federal government is highly limited in what it can do. What I do have a problem with was his not reforming MMS (and he is going to do that now) and not seizing this moment to push climate legislation.

So I am very disappointed in his speech tonight. This isn't WWII and America needs to stop living off its long ago past. How about do something we can be proud of ourselves NOW??
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:16 PM
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64. He mentioned comprehensive legislation which has passed the House, demaning "comprehensive." Also
A Message from the President to OFA Supporters: "Stand with me in backing clean energy"

It it at the top of his call to action

Add your name as a strong supporter of comprehensive energy and climate reform:

I stand with President Obama to pave the way for a clean-energy future that:

  • Combats climate change;

  • Creates a new economy powered by green jobs; and

  • Ends our dependence on foreign oil.




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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:19 PM
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65. That's weak tea. He needed to kick the Senate's butt into action.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 08:20 PM by beachmom
He did not do that. Therefore it will fail. I trust David Roberts at Grist and he sees it exactly the same way:

This was a continuation of Obama's hands-off approach toward Congress, and on climate/energy, it ISN'T WORKING. They need guidance/direction

I think a carbon cap is toast this year. This was Obama's big chance to push for it and he totally dropped the ball.


He just added:

Obama never mentioned a carbon cap and yet cons are bashing him with "energy tax" nonsense anyway. So much for that strategy.

Obama needs to stop listening to Rahm Emanuel who really has a tin political ear (see: health care reform).
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:21 PM
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66. I don't agree. n/t
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:22 PM
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67. Kerry just said today that he doesn't have 60 votes.
How's he going to get them when the President won't even talk about it on national TV?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:25 PM
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69. He said yet, but it's close and worth the fight. Still,
this address was not designe to spotlight climate change it was about the Gulf. He called for a comprehensive solution, but his emphasis was on moving the country away from oil.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 01:58 PM
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120. Most Americans don't care about Climate Change
That's what my dad told me. Almost what Jeff Johnson said on Tom Joyner one morning when he asked people, mainly blacks about the issue, it was a "Who Cares?" response. There are jobs needed more than anything else in our community right now.

Unfortunate as this is. It's probably a reason why he did not mention it in his speech. It was more of reassurance towards people of the Gulf Coast, instead of a policy address.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:12 PM
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62. I give him a D. Weak, watered down, he's losing his touch. Very sad.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:23 PM
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68. C+ish. He needs to plot more of a course rather than deferring to committees
and flunkies in Congress and be more accountable for being receptive to blatantly bogus corporate spin and appointing their cronies all over the place.

He's still not in the least prepared to go to war with corporate interests and is still inclined to buy their bullshit.
Doing what must be done to truly move toward where we have to go is going to be knifework not a reasoned debate of ideas or a negotiation.

I give credit for a generally honest tone and giving what should be the only facts anyone needs to know about drilling in America, that we have far too little supply to offset our demand even with a quantum leap in conservation. At least an American President told the real truth about the supply and demand with actual numbers.

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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:26 PM
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70. it is always a dog and pony show.l.
for christ sake...

if you think speeches are the answer i guess you're in heaven.

he needs to take control of the entire situation. allow the media in. allow the companies that want to help in the gulf in. They can hire thousands. Send the bills to BP. If he took charge...then. get the f'n mercenaries out of the area. Let's hire locals and anyone else they can and get some momentum here.

I know lots of people who have applied....all still waiting for someone to get off their ass and decide what to do
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:28 PM
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71. "think speeches are the answer " Who on earth said speeches are the answer?
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 08:28 PM by ProSense
Seems a lot of people like demanding them as if they are.



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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:30 PM
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74. quit defending an inappropriate response...
he needs to be a leader and take charge of the entire situation...we need a leader right now not a dog and pony show
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:28 PM
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73. There is no answer to the leak......
this speech wasn't gonna have it either. Get real.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:33 PM
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77. you get real
quit defending a really bad response

and you damn right this speech wasn't going to get it.

he asks for suggestions and answers, but the most important is obvious and in his face. TAKE CHARGE. 59 days into a spill and we get a half baked speech

...whatever

you get what you settle for and I am in no mood to settle
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:32 PM
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86. There are a few posters here who will defend him absolutely no matter what he says or does.
It's pathetic.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:34 PM
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87. So is it pathetic to trash every thing he does?
Because there are plenty of posters who do that, and this on a board called Democratic Underground. Not Republican, Democratic.

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:52 PM
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90. Yes, of course, but what's wrong with some constructive criticism?
Some can't seem to ever utter even one word of constructive criticism. And come on now, no office holder, Democrat or not, is perfect. For example, the OP gives him an A+ for this speech. Are telling me that there is absolutely nothing that he said that couldn't have been said better?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:10 PM
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93. So you're saying we have to criticize?
We have to find something to criticize, right?

I hope you don't mind others doing that to you. No matter what you do, something else could have been done, and it could have been done better. That's what you'd always want to hear?

And never any mention of what was done right.

I'm glad you weren't one of my parents.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:08 PM
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98. LOL. I'm not Obama's parent either.
He is POTUS, not a child, and criticism comes with the territory.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:53 AM
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112. So you HAVE to criticize SOMETHING, right?
Whether it's Bush or Obama or Kucinich himself.

You have to point out what is wrong and never what is right.

LOL, I hope you get treated to that kind of attitude too. We won't remember anything you do right or give you any credit, we'll just look for your mistakes.

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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:06 AM
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114. hey, get a grip
it's not like he hit it outa the ballpark....it was a speech, a weak speach. People are dying from the chemicals, 11 already have. BP is in charge. Marine life is dying off by the hundreds (and that number is only what they have FOUND). An entire way of life has been killed. Do not add insult to injury by saying his speech was great. Maybe you should ask the people in the gulf how great it was...

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 08:14 AM
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115. Who said the speech was great?
I am talking about people who never see anything right and who look specifically for mistakes so they can criticize someone else.

and all the disaster you talk about is attributable to all of us and our lifestyle. It's lazy to just blame someone else. Even BP is simply trying to meet OUR demands.

You think you are so superior, but you are as much a part of the problem as anyone, and obviously try to avoid that. Any POTUS I suppose is your scapegoat.

Get rid of your car, your house heating, A/C, electricity and quit blaming others.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 09:17 AM
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116. lazy...superior.....that's all you can come up with?
so typical...we have a catastrophic crisis in the gulf and the prez has not taken the leadership needed. You excuse for him is that I am lazy and everyone should get off oil and quit blaming others.

This disaster is a result of NEGLIGENCE. 30 yrs of deregulation...and no one did anything to stop it. not obama, clinton, 2 bush's and thank you very much ronald fuckin reagan. I expect my senators and reps in DC and the prez to lookout for the welfare of the people NOT the corporations. oh gee...there's an idea....and when they don't i get pissed and I do not care what letter comes after their name.

Alternative fuels..give it to me. They sit on their asses because they need the corporate money to win elections. They can not look out for you and I, they have to look out for the pockets.

what exactly would you like me to do?
I worked my ass off for that man. I make phone calls, send emails, I participate...they do not listen cause they listen to the corporations, They are in a bubble, and get bad advice...one in particular Rahm.

Do not tell me to get off oil... you do not know me...I have no house. when it is cold I put on more clothes. I do not use AC. I drive for a living and use a compact car. Would love an electric...well we know how THAT story goes. I have appplied to work in the gulf. (quitting the job that I have had for 13 yrs so I can help these poor people out) I am waiting to hear..because this company can not move in yet till they hear from BP, and BP and Prez are dragging their feet. I care more about this environment than you could ever imagine and you are protecting the president over politics.

Superior? Listen to yourself..lecturing me about getting off oil. I challenge you to put the animals who do not have a voice first, the people of the gulf first, the oceans that create a chain of life that we desperately need for our own survival FIRST.
Where are the criminal charges...negligent homicide for 11 victims. where are the fines for negligence..
BP is not in international waters..they are in OUR gulf and the fact that they can control the media, airspace, hire people at $9.00 hours and not worry about HAZMAT and bought off OSHA....tsk tsk..sounds like to me you are ignoring crimes, crisis, for a political agenda..
..and you call yourself a progressive?





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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:31 PM
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75. No, he doesn't need to take control of the entire
situation. They're doing what they need to do.

As far as "speeches"..I guess some would perfer he didn't speak tonight but that's too damn bad. I wanted to hear what he had to say and I'm glad I did.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:40 PM
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78. yeah they do....
"they are doing what they need to do" :spank:

I wanted him to speak....but I wanted substance and not some stupid fluff...where are the details?
what is it exactly we are going to do

people had died
wildlife will suffer
the greatest ecological catastrophe in our time...where are the criminal investigations and charges

apparantly you are more worried about protecting the rep of our prez than the people in the gulf coast, the marine life, and the oceans that protect us all.

we are 59 days into this thing....could we get some action here?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 08:53 PM
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79. Yeah, blame it on Obama
Not buyin' it.

BP can't plug that hole with all their equipment and the Government doesn't have it..like I said they're doing what they can in an impossible situation.

So glad the President spoke tonight..and we heard from viewers on c-span who actually liked the speech and were not of the blame Obama first crowd.

Nobody is trying to protect the President..he can handle himself and he layed out exactly what they were going to do to help the people in the Gulf whose livlihood has been affected by BP's disaster.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:26 PM
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82. you know...
"blame obama first crowd" it takes everything I have to not just call you out...you protect a lame response for politics...I am his supporter you fool...but his response doesn't cut it...period

guess what?? it ain't a hole..it is a freaking blown out sea floor.

he didn't lay out shit...why aren't they hiring contractors that are waiting and waiting and waiting to get in there with scores of people to clean this up?

why are they allowing chemical dispersements?

that's right..no one knows what to do...well, BP thinks they know what to do..they have to hide the truth, they have to lie, and they should not be running the show. They have hired mercenaries to protect what is our beaches

the response is lame, and the reason people are pissed is because the people who did this are running the show. BP is hiring people at a $9.00hr wage with no hazmat concerns. why are they blocking the media? They are trying to clean it up on the cheap like they did drilling this thing. They want to control the message, the media and the cleanup and doing it in a way that it will minimize their liabilities.

One thing is for sure...you are willing to accept speeches while a way of life, ocean and marine life die.
you get what you settle for
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:11 PM
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81. Thanks Pro..this is priceless
work on the speech that you've layed out.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:30 PM
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:47 PM
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89. Because they can't help outing themselves
It's hilarious knowing they can't bottle up their weak sauce talking points. Soon you'll see the same people claiming Obama lost their support. It's like clockwork.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:15 PM
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100. ProSense et al. "bother" because someone has to, though I agree with you about the concern...
... trolls.

Hekate

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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:43 PM
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122. Well, I guess I must have incited a riot or something
because the mod deleted my message. Oh well.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:44 AM
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105. Yep.
:thumbsup:
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:30 PM
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84. The analysts on MSNBC just excoriated him on this speech.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-10 09:30 PM by totodeinhere
KO was just furious and was cussing on the air. At least in their mind, this speech was a total failure, not an A+. Tweety and Howard Fineman were also raking him over the coals. Yes, I know this is the corporate media, but if even MSBNC is beating him up on this, imagine what most of the rest of the media is doing.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:31 PM
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85. A- or B+, mainly because I don't want the religion thing so much.
He isn't our head pastor, he's our president. Instead of encouraging prayer, he should be encouraging legislative action and personal/public conservation of resources.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 09:37 PM
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:10 PM
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92. Excellent post. And yes, AzNick, I just posted in another thrread
regarding what McCain/Palin would be doing. They'd still be saying drill baby drill and they'd be coming to BP's defense. So yea,people, "Chill the F Up!!!!!!!!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:17 PM
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94. From you, I'd expect no less
If he'd of said BP was off the hook for all of this you'd still give him an A+
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:42 AM
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111. And there's nothing he could've said that would've gotten an A out of you.
So let's call a spade a spade here. At least on forum for Democrats, it shouldn't be outside the norm to expect people to, you know, actually support Democrats. What you do, on the other hand...
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 02:07 PM
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121. Hey, Nick! On this we...
...completely AGREE. :hi:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:40 PM
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128. What grade did I give President Obama?
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:45 PM
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129. I agreed with...
...this:

"At least on forum for Democrats, it shouldn't be outside the norm to expect people to, you know, actually support Democrats."

Nick and I don't always agree. ;)
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:50 PM
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132. Should we as Democrats blindly follow our Democratic leaders without
one iota of critizism?
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:24 AM
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135. Of course not. "Dissent is...
...one of the highest forms of patriotism." Paraphrasing...
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:40 PM
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127. There's plenty of things he could have said that would have brought an A from me
You have no idea what grade I'd give him now.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:19 PM
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95. There goes a very Good Leader....
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 10:26 PM
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96. President is looking like an ineffective fluffmeister
Comically being portrayed as an all-talk-no-walk orator. And Obama indulges his critics with speeches full of non-specifics.

I honestly wonder if this guy was ready to be president. He looks like an innocent minnow in the shark-infested Washington waters.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:14 PM
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99. I liked his address
and so did many, many, many, many, many others.




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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:16 PM
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101. Thanks, PS. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:49 PM
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131. Great testimonies, Pro Sense.
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seabeckind Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-10 11:24 PM
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102. Agree.
Sure wasn't a take charge speech, was it?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:51 PM
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133. Yes it was and the next day he got $20Billion and no cap from BP
and no dividends paid out for the rest of the year to stockholders.

President Obama kicked ass and took names.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 10:47 PM
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130. Your post says everything about you and nothing at all about Pres Obama.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:33 AM
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106. I think he did a very good job...
He took on BP, holding them accountable; he called out the GOP and their tactics, while hot expressly spitting in their faces, giving them an option to be a part of the solution; he admitted there were no concrete answers and outlined the fact that this will take a long time to clean up. He placed blame on the bush administration for the MMS fiasco, and said it was being cleaned up, and paved the way for new regulations.

There is a fact we all need address, the spill has happened, and the there were no ready answers as to how to fix the problem. I can say that this should never have happened, and if there were safeguards that were known to work but not implemented, it is the fault of BP and those in the supposed regulating agency. PO was adamant in placing the mantle of responsibility where it belongs and steps are being taken to rectify that situation. MMS is one of those entities that consistently flies under the radar, and is one reason why, under bush, it became so corrupt. Weeding out the miscreants is the first stage in overhaul.

There is no giant plug laying around that can deal with this, unfortunately, BP was taken at it's word that they could handle this, but reality also dictates that the government does not have the expertise to deal w/this either. From the beginning, there were different ways to deal with this disaster, all untried and all some of them simply absurd. As with all disasters, we have to look at this, make sure that throughout this industry, there are safeguards in place to avoid any other problems, and lay down the law when it comes to corporations writing their own rules.

PO is delegating, as he should, to individuals and agencies that can help...to think he's going to stop this on his own is not realistic. It's a horrid disaster, and as much as I hate to see this, we can only get through this by finding answers that so far, have been elusive to everyone.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:36 AM
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109. Wow, you signed up for an account just to diss ProSense?
Classy.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:40 AM
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110. Anything less and you're a troll.
Dontcha know?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:09 PM
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123. 65 unrecs
You trying to set some kind of record?

:rofl:

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:27 AM
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136. Wow!
The fan club is growing.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:28 AM
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137. Yeah, you seem to have more fans than I do
I'm jealous ;)
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 03:10 PM
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124. K & R including a well-deserved "rec"
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