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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:58 PM Original message |
Isn't "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Bill Clinton's fault? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Look, |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. YES, and so is DOMA |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
54. I liked and voted for Clinton twice but I did NOT like DADT or DOMA. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. Along with NAFTA, media de-regulation and his cruel welfare "reforms". |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. yep |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. In retrospect, it was a very bad decision |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. Sure - Colin Powell would have said "You betcha". |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Powell would have had no choice had Clinton signed an executive order. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. At the time it was an improvement on the status quo -- kicking gay people out. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. They just got kicked out if they were lucky. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. I think people forget how different things were 20 years ago. n/t |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. Glass–Steagall Act, as long a we're listing his accomplishments. nt |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sometimes i wonder of Obama wants to lose the Congress. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. You ignore that Obama with the Congress he has actually had many successes |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Did you follow the story closely at the time? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. He has admitted as much. He has said DADT was one of his biggest regrets, but he had hardly any |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Then, as now, the Left was not uniformly pro-gay. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Rwanda too! |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. columbine |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. They fear the political consequences. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Let me be clear, I was for allowing gays to serve in 1993 |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yes, and when he compromised right out of the gate like that, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. The left was a lot less pro-gay 20 years ago than now. It's not really fair to judge Clinton |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Yes, that's pretty much what I said. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. We do -- but I actually meant to reply to the same post you did. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Was it at Netroots Nation 2009 that you heard this? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yes. |
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dumpdabaggers (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I do remember. It was terrible. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
22. The GOP/conservadems had veto proof majorities to codify the ban on gays in the military into law |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
24. Not exactly. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
29. No, that was Sam Nunn's fault. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Why bother? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Because there are DUers who haven't heard the true story yet. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. It was more of a rhetorical question? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. I know, but one of my rhetorical tactics is to answer rhetorical questions. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. I remember all of this, especially with Nunn, and I was only 17 in 1993! |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Yep, I remember it too. |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
58. Thank you, jobycom. |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
31. Sure was "on his watch" and he put his pen to it and DOMA - |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
34. From what I understand it doesn't take an act of congress. Obama can repeal this if he wanted to |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Obama cannot repeal the law of the land, only congress can do this...... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I meant repeal the policy. He can do that and it would be just as good as an act of congress |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. No, he can reverse a law via an executive order, |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. In effect his executive order would allow openly gay people in the military |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. The point of reversing a bad law is exactly to reverse a bad law..... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I dont believe that for a second |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. What you believe doesn't really count..... |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. we'll see. I dont think it will get done this year |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. It would stand only until a Republican got back in (unless they were against DADT). |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Exactly as I said. Sign the executive order now while you get congress to act |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Some conservadems may balk at doing that and we need their votes. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Then we wont get votes either way |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
41. I think it was Colin Powell's fault |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. But I think this is why Obama is taking the military route to repeal the law...... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
53. With all due respect, you and a whole lot of others, need to read these things called history books |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
55. Absolutely yes. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
56. Well, that's his signature on it. nt |
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