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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:08 PM
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A Stupak Deal?
Pro-Choice Caucus livid at talk of deal with Stupak on abortion

By Jared Allen, Jeffrey Young and Molly K. Hooper - 03/19/10 08:02 PM ET

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Friday evening met with a visibly angry Pro-Choice Caucus amid rumors from Democratic aides that the Speaker was working on a last-minute deal with Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) to give his abortion language a separate vote.

Leadership aides, including those in the Speaker’s office, would not comment, but a senior Democratic aide directly involved in the abortion debate said Pelosi appeared to have agreed to give Stupak a vote on an “enrollment resolution” offered by Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), a key Stupak ally.

Kaptur’s resolution contains the same abortion language that Stupak successfully attached at the 11th hour to the House healthcare bill in November. Were the resolution to pass the House, it would instruct the Senate clerk to change the healthcare bill to reflect Stupak’s more restrictive language to prohibit federal dollars from going toward abortion coverage.
Stupak late Friday said that he was still in talks with the Speaker on the possibility of such an enrollment resolution – which he and others have been floating as a possible solution this week.

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“This concurrent resolution which Congressman Stupak and several others have filed, from the position of the people who signed my letter back in November, is a non-starter,” said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.), a Pro-Choice Caucus co-chairwoman. “We compromised to the concept 'no federal funding for abortion,' which is current law -- we don't like that. And so if Mr. Stupak and a few members, along with the Republicans, decide to use this to take healthcare down, then that loss on healthcare coverage is going to be on their hands.”

DeGette said a move allowing the enrollment resolution to go forward would put “somewhere between 40 and 55” pro-abortion rights votes at stake.

That math was also leading to counter-rumors, including from aides of anti-abortion rights Democrats, that Pelosi could not realistically be putting even a dozen votes from the left at stake for the sake of Stupak and his allies.

One of those aides also speculated that even if they won a vote on the enrollment resolution, Stupak, Kaptur and the remaining holdouts would still have a difficult time voting for the reconciliation bill unless there was some guarantee that the Senate could pass it as well.

To that end, one version of the resolution apparently being discussed between Pelosi and Stupak would say that the Senate bill won't be considered as having passed in the House until the Senate sends a message to the House stating that it has also passed the Stupak resolution, according to a knowledgeable Democratic aide.
But that would seem to be a very heavy lift for the Senate -- and possibly even the House -- even under the best of circumstances.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/87989-pro-choice-caucus-angry-at-talk-of-pelosi-stupak-deal
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:10 PM
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1. Smash this fool
Dear God do I despise this fucking fool :mad:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:12 PM
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2. But Stupak keeps saying he'd be happy with the HYDE amendment language. Why not vote on THAT? n/t
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:13 PM
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3. Because his real goal is to take down this bill. The Family wants him to.
It has nothing to do with abortion in my opinion and ever thing to do with who gives money ot The Family.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:14 PM
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5. I know, but since he SAID he'd be happy with Hyde, why wouldn't Pelosi tell
him they can have a vote on THAT?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:18 PM
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8. Maybe she offered him that but he is being such a tool about it.
I want to tear out my hair when I see his name.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:27 PM
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14. I want to tear HIS hair out
when I see him or his name.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:17 PM
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7. Exactly
Would it be appropriate for a plug for his primary opponent here?

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:22 PM
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11. Yes! Stupak is the one Dem I want to see gone the most.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:43 PM
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15. Go for it
We need a new DU group: ANYBODY BUT STUPAK.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:52 PM
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16. Connie Saltonstall
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 10:54 PM by Kber
http://www.conniesaltonstall.com/

Feel free to express your outrage in dollar amounts.

Actually, she's a real progressive, not just "Not Bart".

But at this point, either would do for me.

on edit. Can't type for sh*t tonight. :)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:28 AM
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25. Oooh, thanks!
Time to start turning up the heat on DINO's.... :P
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:14 PM
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4. I dunno .... but I wish it was Sunday night already.
These folks make me miss Joe Lieberman. :)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:17 PM
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6. Ha! You can come to Connecticut and visit his house in Stamford if you want.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:22 PM
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12. Well, I would....
.... but Rep. Wamp keeps all of us libs locked in a holding pen all weekend. "for safety reasons"
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:19 PM
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18. Ack! That's pretty drastic Clio!
:rofl:
At lease Joe gives a more entertaining argument when he misbehaves than little boy Stupak.

I can't wait until this is over so I can rest. But instead we'll all be on another roller coaster with the Senate. Ahhh, Lieberman will make sure he gets to be front and center again whether we like it or not. He's been kinda quiet lately.
:crazy:
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:21 PM
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9. Clio
Thanks for posting. I saw similar info on another site and was looking for a second source.

I am really starting to hate Bart Stupak.

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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:22 PM
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10. I bet he is just trying to save face
and could be bluffing. His demands just don't seem reasonable
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:55 PM
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17. God I hope you are rightI
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:26 PM
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13. The momentum was all moving towards not even NEEDING Stupak and his gang of 5 or 6...
that's what I heard reported on MSNBC today by Mike Viquera and then Luke Russert. :shrug:
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:21 PM
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19. Yea, they said that yesterday, too.
and that was nice to hear.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:55 AM
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20. Don't do it madam Speaker. n/t
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:38 AM
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21. Or You Can Have What's Behind Door Number 3.........nt
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:41 AM
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22. I won't believe these leaks until Pelosi says it herself on camera. We've been punk'd by Pubs...
... much too often before this, as recently as --- yesterday?

Hekate

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:30 AM
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23. Totally. n/t
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:29 AM
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24. Something's up
In a diary at Daily Kos, Marcy Kaptur is reported to be leaning yes' on HCR
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 07:14 AM
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26. Someone needs to submit anti-abortion, vasectomy legislation.
Preferably a woman legislator. I'm sick of old, white men sticking their noses into a woman's private business.
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