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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:09 AM
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WH Leaning towards MILITARY TRIALS for 9/11 Suspects
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 01:11 AM by denimgirly
*sigh* Need i say more. The comments on HP are exploding with rightful negativity towards Obama. Wish this guy would stand strong for one thing without compromises.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/04/911-trial-reversal-obama-_n_486758.html
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:18 AM
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1. Cowardice
Once again caving into the conservatives.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:21 AM
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2. What solution would you prefer?
:shrug:
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:28 AM
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3. Make a decision and STICK WITH IT
THIS is a sign of weakness, and the GOP will continue these tactics... especially since this will be viewed AS WORKING.

Another disappointment from Obama. I am tired of supporting this man.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:38 AM
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4. Stay The Course! (even if they are wrong)
Where have I heard that before?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:46 AM
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5.  From fuckhead..
People capable of critical thinking adapt when a different course is needed.

I don't know the particulars on why they're thinking of a military trial now but they must have their reasons.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:00 AM
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9. Media pressure
Pressure from the right.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:53 AM
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6. Help me! I'm being crushed beneath all this change!
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 01:53 AM by salguine
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:54 AM
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7. The article is talking about Obama Advisors...like Rahm.
Rahm was for military tribunals from the beginning. That says nothing about what the President's intent is.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:59 AM
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8. Is always what the republicans want
Every freaking time
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:25 PM
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12. Schumer's a Repub.? n/t
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 12:26 PM by jenmito
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:10 PM
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14. Would you say a majority of Democratic congressmen prefer civilian trials or military tribunals?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 01:11 PM by angelicwoman
Just a guesstimate.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:30 AM
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10. I really hope they stick to their guns on this.
But after so many caves, nothing will surprise me.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:22 PM
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11. We can't blame Obama. What could he do when Bloomberg, Schumer, DEMS. in
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 12:24 PM by jenmito
in congress, not to mention the public, are ALL against it? He's not a king.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:28 PM
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13. Dems are all against it?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 12:42 PM by angelicwoman
How many Democrats in congress are against civilian trials? If the answer not 100% or even near 100%, you just told a falsehood.

By the way. We're not supposed to be governed according to what polls say.

I'd love to know how much Americans know about how the military tribunals work and how successful the Federal Court has been in trying suspected terrorists in the past.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:37 PM
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19. Congress does not want to fund it and the local officials in NY, VA, and PA
don't want the trials there. The majority of the public is against it but really, how do you educate stupidity?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-24/congress-must-fund-trial-of-9-11-terror-suspects-official-says.html
Talks about the funding.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33965.html
Discusses that officials in other states don't want the trial to be in their state.

Obama is trying to close Gitmo most importantly and that involves on moving people to other prisons and getting others trials. The stupidity of other Dems and Mayor Bloomburg is pretty sickening.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:10 PM
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20. No, I didn't say all Dems. are against it. I said
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 03:11 PM by jenmito
"Bloomberg, Schumer, DEMS. in congress, not to mention the public, are ALL against it." I meant all of those elements I mentioned-not all people in those categories. And according to these articles:

"Republicans are capitalizing on broad popular opposition to allowing terrorist suspects held at Guantnamo to have their day in civilian courts, painting Democrats as soft on al-Qaeda. Democratic lawmakers are scrambling to distance themselves from the issue, and the Administration has been forced to change its plans...

The collapse of Holder's plan to try the case in Manhattan, and bipartisan congressional opposition to a civilian trial for KSM anywhere else, has Democrats inside and outside the Administration wondering about the Attorney General's standing in the White House.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1958686,00.html#ixzz0hKhxleKa

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration has not ruled out a military trial for the professed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, especially since Congress may prohibit the funds for a civilian trial, Vice President Biden said Sunday.

Biden, in defending the Obama administration from critics of its approach to prosecuting accused terrorists, said it is not yet clear where Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Sept. 11 suspects held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, will be tried.

He said part of the reason for that is the political winds have changed since New York City Mayor Michael Blomberg changed his mind and Republican Scott Brown was elected to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts.

'The political circumstances changed. The mayor came along and said the cost for providing security to hold this trial is X-hundreds of millions of dollars which I think is much more than would be needed. And the elected officials, Democrat and Republican said we don't want this tried here in New York. That creates a political dimension in the sense that the Congress can control the cost and the purse strings of how much money we have to try this case,' Biden said.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/biden-congress-grip-on-money-could-determine-courtroom-for-ksm/blog-260963/
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:33 PM
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22. I take issue with one of those elements: Dems in congress
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 03:34 PM by angelicwoman
You say that Dems in congress are against it. But that's highly misleading. why didn't you say that some are against it? If only 20% of the public were against it, would you also say that "the public is against it" only because some are against it?

I believe that you wanted to create the impression that most Democrats are against it.

If you knew that only a few Democrats are against Federal court trial, do you think it would be fair to represent it as "Dems in congress"?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:35 PM
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23. I didn't SAY "all Dems. are against it." Read post #19 for more info. n/t
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:47 PM
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26. You didn't say "the whole public" either, but it was obvious you meant a majority in the public
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 03:48 PM by angelicwoman
So let's see. When you said "the public" you meant that a majority of it supports military tribunals; but when you said, "Dems in congress" you didn't mean the majority? That's an inconsistency.

I suggest that next time you say "A few Democrats." People might believe that Democrats prefer military tribunals for the most part.

I would certainly not say that "Democrats in the House are against health reform" because only a few are against it. If I did that, I would be misleading.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:30 PM
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18. lol. You can never blame Obama.
His hands are always tied. He must be the most ineffective President in a generation. He can't do a thing for the media, congress, the senate, conservatives, liberals, lol.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:14 PM
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21. LOL. Do you want Obama to pay for a civilian trial himself? You think he alone has the
authority to decide where to hold the trial? He clearly WANTS it in civilian trial, but if those who were going to "sponsor" it changed their minds, he can't do anything about it.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:35 PM
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24. Are you on record stating that you prefer military tribunals PRIOR to yesterday's WAPO article?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 03:36 PM by angelicwoman
Or are you simply endorsing what you believe Obama will endorse?

Another question. Had Obama announced that he would still seek Federal court trials, would you have criticized him?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:43 PM
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25. Thanks for reminding me of your serious lack of comprehension. I'm NOT in favor of military
tribunals. I never said I was. Wow.
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angelicwoman Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:50 PM
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27. So you are in favor of Obama's imminent decision to do what you don't want him to do?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 03:50 PM by angelicwoman
Or are you against his move?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:57 PM
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28. I know this goes against everything you believe about me and my support of Obama, but
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 03:58 PM by jenmito
I'm for CIVILIAN trials, regardless of what Obama ends up having to do. Do you understand? :banghead:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:56 PM
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29. Like I said, his hands are forever tied on every major issue.
It is always someone else who is at fault or standing in the way.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:21 PM
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31. Like I said, he's not a king. He didn't come out FOR military trials.
Others did.
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Kltpzyxm Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:33 PM
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32. You've got to save your dry powder
:eyes:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:02 PM
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15. Congressional cowards are withholding federal funds for civilian trials.
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:04 PM by Phx_Dem
They make me puke. What a punch of cowardly babies.

I guess KSM will join the 3 other terrorists tried by Military Tribunals and, if he's lucky, they'll send him back to his home country like they did with 2 of the 3 who were convicted. Cuz that's how to keep our country secure.

:puke:

Edited to add: Michael Bloomberg is a disgrace. Who knew NYers were such wimps?
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:19 PM
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17. Sending them back to be with their fellow cohorts.
:eyes:
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:15 PM
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16. More Bushco
from the Obama admin. Surprise. Surprise.

:puke:
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:20 PM
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30. This may be a trial balloon. We need to shoot this down.
Call the WH, call your reps, raise a fuss.

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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:55 PM
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33. Gee I was hoping to see
The "Evidence" in a court room. Like how do the "terrorist" get the Pentagon to sit on their ass while we're being attacked. Or how terrible pilots were able to fly planes into buildings without any help from the ground. Or how fire was able to take down 3 concrete and steel buildings at 10 stories a second. That day was full of mysteries that are unsolved and need answers like yesterday.

Maybe this is why they want to do it in private. Because they have no "Evidence". Or maybe because they were tortured, and any defense attorney would ride that for ALL it's worth. As they should.
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