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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:40 PM
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Justice Department Will Not Punish Yoo and Bybee Because Most Lawyers Are Scum Anyway
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 10:49 PM by ProSense

Justice Department Will Not Punish Yoo and Bybee Because Most Lawyers Are Scum Anyway

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At long last we have the Department of Justice report on the professional conduct of John Yoo and Judge Jay Bybee in writing the infamous torture memos, along with previous versions of the Office of Professional Responsibility report and responses by Yoo and Bybee. Upon reviewing the OPR's report and recommendations, Associate Deputy Attorney General David Margolis concluded in a 69 page memo that the DOJ should release the Office of Professional Responsibility report for public review but that the Justice Department would not refer a finding of misconduct to state and local bar committees where Yoo and Bybee are members.

In deciding not to refer charges to state bar committees, Margolis does not tell us that Yoo and Bybee behaved admirably or according to the high standards that we should expect from Justice Department lawyers. Indeed, he says the opposite. Yoo and Bybee exercised poor judgment and let the Justice Department down. But Margolis argues that the Office of Professional Responsibility chose too high a standard to judge the professional responsibility of Yoo and Bybee. The OPR argued that Yoo and Bybee had "a duty to exercise independent legal judgment and to render thorough, objective, and candid legal advice." This standard, Margolis explained, is much too high a requirement and not one that Yoo and Bybee were previously warned was the standard to which they would be held.

I know what you are probably saying: shouldn't every government lawyer have to live up to this standard? Of course, they should, but the point is that this is a disciplinary proceeding. It's not about what people should do, but about how badly they have to screw things up before they are subject to professional sanctions.

Instead, Margolis argues that, judging by (among other things) a review of D.C. bar rules, the standard for attorney misconduct is set pretty damn low, and is only violated by lawyers who (here I put it colloquially) are the scum of the earth. Lawyers barely above the scum of the earth are therefore excused.

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Whether or not the DOJ refers Yoo and Bybee for professional discipline, no one should think that either man behaved according to the high standards we should expect of government attorneys. They, and the government officials who worked with them, shamed this nation. They dragged America's reputation in the dirt. They severely damaged our good name in the eyes of the world. They undermined the values this country stands for and that the legal profession should stand for. Nothing the DOJ does now--or fails to do--will change that.


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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:51 PM
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1. And because we will not punish people like this we are destined to see more of the same.
Just imagine Bush/Cheney v2.0. Will someone please wake me when the Democratic Party decides to make this a two-party system of government once again?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:58 PM
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3. From the OP article:
Margolis' last point is especially important, since the former Vice-President of the United States is now going around the country telling people that he supports waterboarding and actively sought to use it when he was in office. Put differently, there is at least one member of the previous Administration walking around that is an admitted war criminal, although, to be sure, confessing to the elements of a war crime on television apparently does not, at least in this country, lead to any serious danger that one will actually be prosecuted for such crimes.


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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:23 PM
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10. the best Justice that money can buy
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:56 PM
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2. Make way for the rationalizations
The administration had an affirmative duty to hold Yoo and Bybee accountable- and once again they have wilfully failed, shaming all Americans- and all lawyers in the process.

History will not be kind to them in this regard.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:31 AM
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4. professions have to police themselves and the great law professor
himself, professor in chief will be remembered VILELY by history for this abomination and if he allows it and it IS his call, he DESERVES IT.
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:00 AM
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5. If WE, Americans, don't change this, we are amoral, hypocrites . . .
Edited on Sat Feb-20-10 01:14 AM by Krashkopf
Bush, and Cheney, and Rumsfeld, and Addington, and Bybee, and Yoo are WAR CRIMINALS. And now, Obama, and Holder, and Margolis are the PROTECTORS OF WAR CRIMINALS.

If WE, Americans, do not have the will to hold our political leaders accountable for the things THEY DO IN OUR NAMES, the ONLY hope for Justice is left in the hands of the International Court of Justice in The Hague.


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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 03:42 AM
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7. Pres. Obama is NOT part of the Justice Dept....
The Hague is where this belongs...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:16 AM
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6. I think that the Attorney General should follow the Surgeon General

and have a tatoo put on their foreheads: "Listening to this schmuck will be dangerous to your health".
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 03:27 PM
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8. Like Yoo and Bybee, David Margolis' name should be forever associated with Bush torture policy
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 03:57 PM
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9. Anyone need any more proof that there is no justice in America?
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