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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:24 PM
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Talking points on HR 3962 with some comparisons to the Senate (Reid) bill in bold.
Talking points on HR 3962 with some comparisons to the Senate (Reid) bill in bold.

By Ida Hellander, MD

Nov. 20, 2009


Overall -

• The House bill is completely inadequate in expanding coverage and controlling costs. It is essentially an insurance industry bailout. Most provisions to expand coverage don’t even go into effect until 2013 (2014 in the Senate), after which it still leaves at least 17 million Americans uninsured. The Senate bill would have even less impact, leaving at least 24 million Americans uninsured.

• It forgoes over $400 billion annually in potential savings on overhead and bureaucracy in the health system – enough to cover all 47 million uninsured – by retaining profit-driven private health insurers instead of replacing them with a streamlined, more efficient, Medicare for All system.

• It makes private health insurance mandatory for middle-income working people, forcing them to buy a defective product. It will become a federal crime to be uninsured, with a penalty of 2.5 percent of income, starting in 2013. The fines in the Senate bill are lower, starting at $95 in 2014 and rising to $750 by 2019.

• Families of very modest means, at 200-400 percent of poverty, will be required to spend an unaffordable 8-12 percent of their incomes on insurance premiums if they don’t have employer-sponsored coverage. Additionally, the basic benefits are very skimpy and the cost-sharing requirements are high, meaning that families of very modest means could spend 20 percent or more of their incomes on premiums and cost-sharing before receiving any benefits. In the Senate, the lowest-cost plan would only cover 60 percent of health care costs.

• A Medicaid expansion will cover more low-income Americans, but coverage gains – both in Medicaid and for people receiving tax assistance to buy coverage - will be short-lived because the cost is unsustainable as we’ve seen in several states that have attempted reform in recent years.

• The insurance industry hijacked the process: Private insurers get millions of mandatory new customers and $605 billion in taxpayer subsidies. This will have the effect of making the health insurance lobby even more powerful, and more able to hijack political processes in the future. The Senate bill provides $447 billion in taxpayer subsidies to insurers.

To pay for subsidies to insurers, the bill cuts payments to safety net hospitals that serve a large number of low-income patients. The Senate bill cuts payments to safety-net hospitals by $43 billion.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/november/talking-points-on-hr-3962-with-some-comparisons-to-the-senate-reid-bill-in-bold
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:31 PM
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1. Does the mandate force people to buy private insurance?
Isn't that what the public option is for?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:34 PM
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3. And if their state opts out of this Public Option In Name Only
the mandate still remains!

The corporate bought representatives in Congress have done the old bait and switch. We were told we were getting a viable public option, instead we are getting a corporate give away that only retains the name "public."
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 01:05 PM
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6. I've been posting for a while that without a public option, there should be no mandates
if a state opts out of the PO, then they should be able to opt out of mandates as well.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:34 PM
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2. knr - been posting about the actuarial value and the CLASS provisions...
"Community Living Assistance Services and Supports

•The bill calls for the establishment of a “voluntary federal program for long-term care insurance” that would pay a cash benefit to help fund home-based services.

•The CBO estimates that the revenues in the Senate version of this new program would exceed premiums by $72 billion in its first years of operation, and these revenues could be used to fund the bill. In other words, $72 billion of the funding for taxpayer subsidies of private insurers would come from raiding a new federal long-term care insurance plan.

•This is just one example of how completely inadequate the bill is at addressing

..."


Actuarial values...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=8562&mesg_id=8562

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8734426&mesg_id=8734426


CLASS provisions to help offset cost....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6915576&mesg_id=6916406





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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:38 PM
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4. Thanks! Great links!
Edited on Sun Nov-22-09 12:39 PM by IndianaGreen
They are doing the bait-and-switch on all of us. People are rejoicing at getting the public option, except the public option they think they are getting is not what they will get.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:44 PM
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5. Exactly, the basic plans have a low actuarial value increasing the chances....
that people will be reaching the cap each year, even though there is a limit on that as well.

A family that has someone with a chronic condition should be thinking about paying the 10K in addition to the premiums.

You're welcome and thank you.

:)









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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 08:11 PM
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7. kick nt
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