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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:31 PM
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The revolution continues in Latin America!
I know there are folks here who don't care for Hugo Chavez. I assume they have their reasons. However, his influence and leadership in the move left that countries on the South American continent are undergoing, by and large in a peaceful manner, cannot and should not be diminished. Nor should we stand by and allow Chavez to be vilified as an enemy of the US when his problem is with the imperialistic policies of Bushco, just like us. Let's not forget he has been elected in certed free and fair elections twice, which is more than we can say for the man that currently resides in our White House. And Congratulations to Fernando Lugo! Viva Lugo!
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PARAGUAY: "Today a New Country Is Born," Says New President
By David Vargas


ASUNCION, Aug 15 (IPS) - Former Catholic bishop Fernando Lugo was sworn in Friday as president of Paraguay in a ceremony charged with emotion that broke with protocol, promising to rebuild this impoverished landlocked South American nation that was ruled by the rightwing Colorado Party for 61 years.

"We are putting an end to the elitist and secretive Paraguay, notorious for its corruption. Today a new country is born, where the authorities will be relentless with those who steal from the people," said a visibly moved Lugo, addressing a crowd of around 20,000 people in the square in front of Congress, where he took his oath of office.

Lugo succeeded President Nicanor Duarte of the National Republican Association, better known as the Colorado Party, which has been in power for six decades, including the brutal 35-year dictatorship of General Alfredo Stroessner, that ended in 1989.

Instead of a suit and tie, in the ceremony the new president wore a simple white shirt made of "ao po’i", the Guaraní name for a traditional Paraguayan cotton fabric, and his trademark Franciscan sandals, underscoring the image of austerity that he has said would characterise his five-year term.

A survey published Friday by the First Análisis y Estudios polling firm found that Lugo is beginning his term with a 93 percent popularity rating -- which was reflected Friday in the excitement of the crowd in front of Congress.

"We have been waiting and hoping for change, broad-ranging change, for so long; we need more justice," a student, Marcos Baroja, told IPS.

"I would like education to be available for all levels of society, especially the poor and dispossessed," said Juan Notario, who teaches in a school in the northern province of San Pedro, one of the country’s poorest, where Lugo’s work for over a decade earned him the nickname "bishop of the poor".

Lugo is a proponent of liberation theology, a current in the Catholic Church that emerged in the 1960s in Latin America, based on a "preferential option for the poor" and a commitment to fighting social injustice.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:41 PM
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1. Since I lived in South America in the heyday of the banana republic
dictatorships, I have nothing but admiration over what Chavez has accomplished. It's a long story as to how this came about, but it was communist union leaders in Chile who convinced me that American policy in Latin America was imperialistic and wrong, which is why when I got old enough to vote, I registered as a Democrat instead of Republican like my family. Chile at that time was one of the few democracies and one that was democratic enough to allow a legal communist party. Considering that this was during the cold war it was a huge leap of doctrine for me. The union leaders taught me that South America could be a super power if that power were put in the hands of the people to reap the benefit of its national resources and this is why the Americans and Europeans were afraid of it and were determined to keep it underdeveloped and poor. This is why the American government propaganda machine keeps trashing Chavez and leaders like him because they are still afraid of the super power being born.


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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:22 PM
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2. very true,
the southern cone would have been a major player if it hadn't been forced to cease and desist the very democratic policies it was forced to by the IMF and the World Bank.:think:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:22 AM
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8. Bravo! Thank you.
I don't know if I ever told you this, but you are one of my very favorite DUers.

Viva Chavez! Viva the Bolivarian Revolution, and viva Cleita!




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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:15 AM
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13. Alvaro Uribe has Death Squads & Mass Graves. Chavez doesn't. Why is Chavez the Villain?
The New York Times, the DLC, Hillary and Obama and Nancy Pelosi all have vilified Hugo Chavez, even though he was democratically elected by an overwhelming majority.

Why do the NYT and Democrats support a return to Banana Republic fascism of the 1970s?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:21 AM
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14. Exactly.. when people are dirt poor & uneducated and have to spend the whole
day, trying to carry water and find food, they are "easy pickins"..

Buy off a few of the elite at the top, and you're good to go, to steal their land, their minerals, their labor..you name it..

America has ALWAYS had a vested interest in keeping the "brown people" in Latin America, serfs..and nothing more...good enough to cut bananas & work the cane fields and to work in sweatshops, but NOT good enough to benefit from their own country's resources...
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:35 PM
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20. Thank you for enunciating the various experiences you have had.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 03:35 PM by truedelphi
I hope sometime you put up an OP about one or more elements of your "Chilean education"

I'm betting it would be well worth reading.

I remember when I briefly lived in Toronto Canada, back in the summer of 1972. I was shopping in a grocery market there, and they had cheese from Cuba. I realized I had been so brainwashed that I couldn't buy it! I couldn't even pick it up! It was like it was radioactive or something. Since I heartily disapproved of the USa's policies by that point in time, I disliked myself for not getting the Cuban cheese.

I left that store without getting ANY cheese. It took about three weeks before I could finally bring myself to buy the Cuban cheese!! All those grammar school and high school years of anti-Commie propaganda had shorted out some portion of my brain.

But my love for variety in cheese overcame those propaganda efforts!!
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:23 PM
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3. No one should judge Chavez and other Latino leftists
Edited on Sat Aug-16-08 05:23 PM by The Traveler
without first reading Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine".

I think by the the time you get half way through that book, you will look at Chavez and other Latino leftists with new and elevated regard.

The right wing apostles of Milton Friedman made every effort to extinguish the flame of "Liberation Theology" and social democracy through force and terror. Klein's review of that bloody history is helpful. "Liberation theology" is not something your typical Republican wants to catch on around these parts. The treatment of Rev. Wright would seem to underscore that point.

**edited for types ... really need a new keyboard ***
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:34 PM
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4. VIVA Democracy!!!!
I pray it migrates to El Norte!
We could use some here!



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 08:52 PM
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5. I greatly appreciate your effort to crawl out from under the mountain of garbage
that passes for news about South America in the corporate 'news' monopolies, and see some daylight. I have had to deprogram myself, too, and it takes time. Rotten banana peels and old fish and sometimes human body parts in the garbage 'news' (parts once belonging to union leaders in Bush's favorite S/A country, Colombia) tend to cling to your clothes and your spirit, as you try to find out the truth, and try to wade through the smelly, awful crap that isn't the truth--that is appalling lies, psyops and disinformation, that we are subjected to every day.

So, I want to discuss your two qualifiers, re Chavez and the South American left--because I think they are detritus from the 'news' garbage pile:

"I know there are folks here who don't care for Hugo Chavez. I assume they have their reasons."

The thing is, they don't ("have their reasons"), or, if they do (I suppose everyone has their reasons), they won't state them; they never provide convincing evidence, or any evidence at all, for their opinions--they merely make brief, accusatory assertions; they don't analyze, they don't think, they don't respond to facts and analysis with reasonable answers. They just, repeatedly--like the propagandists they appear to be imitating and getting their views from--rag on a few points that are easily disprovable, with a little research--or they merely issue invective--against Chavez, an elected political leader who has harmed no one, invaded no one, jailed no one unfairly, oppressed no one, broken no law, and in fact has done more for democracy in Venezuela, and in South America, than any leader, ever.

This is why President Lula da Silva, of Brazil, said the following, recently, of Chavez: "You can criticize Chavez on many things, but not on democracy."

Chiefly the propaganda point--despite mountains of evidence to the contrary--is this: That Hugo Chavez is a "dictator," or--since there is no evidence to support that--will soon become one. He's been in office ten years and hasn't become one yet, but, if you believe these anti-Chavez posters, he intends to become a "dictator," soon. Just you wait. In this they are aligned with Donald Rumsfeld*, who calls Chavez a "tyrant," again with no evidence whatsoever.

I won't do detailed analysis here of the list of "Chavez the tyrant" points pushed by the Bush junta and its lapdog secretaries in the corporate 'news' monopolies (and their echoers here at DU). I just want to say that I have tracked every one of them down, with months of research, and have posted much of this research here at DU as comments in various Chavez threads, and these charges against Chavez are--every last one of them--utterly bogus. He is NOT suppressing free speech. He is NOT ruling arbitrarily--without proper authority and precedent. He is NOT taking anyone's property or oppressing anyone in any way. He has yet to be in office as long as our own FDR (another politician against whom the rightwing used the word "dictator"), and his desire to run for and get elected to a third term is normal, for a popular president who has the energy and zeal to tackle big, structural problems. FDR ran for and won four terms in office. Our own founders opposed a term limit on the president as undemocratic. Many democratic countries do not have such a term limit. We didn't, until the 1950s, when the rightwing wanted to prevent a "New Deal" from ever happening again and wanted to begin dismantling the one we were all blessed with, as a result of FDR's four terms.

The rich have money and power and their rich peoples' clubs. The poor have only one asset: TIME. It takes TIME to undo the entrenched and corrupt power of the rich, and to create an equitable society in the teeth of their relentless greed and opposition to sharing the wealth.

"Organized money hates me--and I welcome their hatred." --Franklin Delano Roosevelt

That's the kind of president Hugo Chavez is. He is strong, focused, determined upon social justice, and is a driving force for cooperation among South American countries, economic integration, mutual aid, and self-determination, in their efforts to deal with the colossal bully to the north. He is a good president. He is very popular (60% range). Venezuelans think very highly of him, and of their country's economic improvement and political vitality. He is well thought of throughout the region--by most of the leaders and by the great majority of ordinary people.

Chavez recently lost a popular vote on on term the limit issue, and guess what? This "dictator," this "tyrant," this "president for life," said, "Okay," and moved on. The vote was very close--50.7% vs. 49.3%--and he could rightfully have contested it. He did not. His party may bring it back to the voters. And why shouldn't they? They have every right to do so, losing a vote that narrowly. Also, it was contained in a package of 69 amendments, on many different issues, including equal rights for women and gays (in a country with a particularly rightwing Catholic clergy--and the rightwing really hammered on the equal rights issue, in disgusting ways). The voters were confused. And the equal rights amendment probably sank the package. The point is that Venezuela is a DEMOCRACY. They have more power over their president than we do--certainly--and than many countries do. They can recall him. AND THEY GET TO VOTE ON THEIR CONSTITUTION! How's that for tyranny?

Furthermore, Venezuela's elections put our own elections to shame, for their transparency. Venezuelans have more rights than we do; they have a far more vibrant political culture than we do; they have honestly and cleanly elected leaders--in Miraflores Palace, in the National Assembly, and in local offices. The only entity that Hugo Chavez has been "dictatorial" toward is Exxon Mobil, and we can only applaud him for that, and wish we had a president who would do the same.

(Note: Venezuela's oil was nationalized before Chavez--as it is in many countries (Norway, for instance). All he did was to re-negotiate the deal between Venezuela and the big corpos to give Venezuelans a better cut of their own oil profits (which is used for schools, medical care, etc.). The other corpos agreed. Exxon Mobil went to court and tried to grab $12 billion in Venezuela's assets. They lost. So they HATE Chavez, as do their bloody-handed pals in the White House. That--and the newly forming South American Common Market--are why they hate Chavez. Also, he has helped throw their loan sharks--the World Bank/IMF--out of the region. Oh, and he opposes the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S./Bush "war on drugs." I guess they have a lot of reasons to hate this "monkey" (as he and other brown-faced leaders are called by the fascists at U.S. Embassy cocktail parties). Chavez has stuck up for Venezuelans and for the region, when he is supposed to kowtow. That is why they relentlessly slander him.)

*"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html


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"...(Chavez's) influence and leadership in the move left that countries on the South American continent are undergoing, by and large in a peaceful manner...".

PEACEFUL is the hallmark of the leftist democratic movement in South (and also Central) America. There is no "by and large" about it. It is amazingly peaceful, in view of the violence, coup plots, unfriggingbelievable greed, racism, collusion with Bushites and other provocations by the fascist minority. This movement is peacefully transforming the continent in a way that I could not have dreamed of--even ten years ago; hell, even five years ago. It is very like the end of apartheid--but with NO VIOLENCE AT ALL.

This is a staggering accomplishment of the people of South America. It should not be stated grudgingly, or iffily. It is a political miracle.

There is only one armed leftist guerrilla group in Latin America--the FARC in Colombia (a country with one of the worst human rights records on earth). Chavez and other leaders have told them to release all of their hostages, disarm and demobilize, and Chavez, and also Rafael Correa of Ecuador, took very courageous steps late last year, and early this year--both of them putting their lives and careers on the line--to bring about a peaceful, political settlement of Colombia's 40+ year civil war (which harries both of their borders). The U.S. ended that effort on March 1 of this year, by dropping ten U.S. "smart bombs" on a FARC camp just inside Ecuador's border, killing the chief FARC hostage negotiator, Raul Reyes, and 24 others, in their sleep--just as FARC was about to release Ingrid Betancourt and several others to President Correa and French, Swiss and Spanish envoys, who were in Ecuador for that purpose. This Bushite-orchestrated attack on Ecuador's territory nearly started a war between Colombia and Ecuador--which is exactly what the Bushites wanted. Hugo Chavez was the key diplomat in stopping the war, for which the president of Brazil called him "the great peacemaker."

The Bushites have larded $6 BILLION (of our non-existent taxpayer dollars--borrowed from Saudi Arabia and China) in military aid onto the Colombian government. They are not about to allow peace to break out in Colombia. It is a military/police state boondoggle. It is also what Rumsfeld would call a "lily pad"--a Bush-friendly fascist haven from which to launch trouble into a sea of leftist democracies.

The FARC are armed, but they are not very violent compared to the Colombian military and closely associated rightwing paramilitary death squads. Amnesty International attributes 92% of the murders of union leaders to the Colombian military and paramilitaries, for instance, and only 2% to the FARC. Over 40 union leaders have been slaughtered in Colombia this year alone. It is unfair to use this one situation--Colombia--which the Bushites are deliberately prolonging--to qualify the left in South American as "by and large" peaceful. The left in South America is 99.9% peaceful. It is the rightwing, stoked by the Bush junta, who are not peaceful. They kill, they torture, they butcher, they beat, they intimidate, they bully, they plot assassinations and coups, and they steal from and hate the poor majority, especially the brown-skinned. To defeat them PEACEFULLY and democratically--by decades of hard work on civic institutions and social movement organizing, in the face of constant brutality, and in spite of billions of dollars in U.S. funding of rightwing political and military forces--is, as I said, a political miracle. It is not really miraculous, of course; it is the work of many people. But it is an unqualified success.

Evo Morales last Sunday won a referendum on his social justice presidency with nearly 70% of the vote! This is a country (Bolivia) where the Bush junta has been actively trying to instigate a civil war. It is a country where the indigenous were not allowed to walk on the sidewalks as recently as 1960. Morales is 100% indigenous, himself, and the majority of the country are indigenous, but have been enslaved and ruled by a white racist elite for centuries--an elite that stole all the land. The current elite is led by some truly bad, rich, lawless and violent people, who are still beating up on indians. And in the face of this ugly minority, Morales' commitment to peaceful struggle is profound. So is that of Rafael Correa, Hugo Chavez and now Fernando Lugo, all of whom live with Bushite bull's eye targets on their backs. They are all totally peaceful, and lawful. And that is...nothing short of amazing, considering how much the Bushites, and local fascists, hate them. They are hated like Martin Luther King was hated, and the way Gandhi was hated, and the way FDR was hated. They are hated for their strength and vision, and for their very peacefulness and righteousness.

They are not "by and large" peaceful. They are totally peaceful, as are the social movements that put them in office.

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Once again, I, too, had to go through a process of educating myself about the baldfaced lying that we see in the corporate 'news' monopolies on this subject. They print whatever they can find that can be construed as negative, and indicating that somehow this amazing, successful, democratic revolution that has swept South America, is not peaceful and not positive. They print things without context, and without historical reference, and often use phrases like "his critics say" without identifying or quoting the critics. (because, if they did, you would know immediately that you shouldn't trust the "critics" in the U.S. embassy--their likely sources). They twist and distort and sometimes outright lie. And this is true across the board--from the New York Times to the Associated Press to CNN and, of course, the Miami Herald. It is mind-boggling. And what it brings to mind is the non-existent Iraq WMDs. It's that kind of pervasive lying. And it slips into our brains almost beneath consciousness, so that most people end up with a vaguely negative IMPRESSION of, say, Hugo Chavez, but they couldn't really tell you why. The corpo 'news' monopolies hammer away at this theme--"dictator-dictator-dictator"--but no item connected to it holds up to even superficial scrutiny. It is "in the air." That is what psyops and disinformation does. They shut off your rational brain and create highly manipulated IMPRESSIONS.

I have nothing good to say about the anti-Chavez snipers who visit DU, and who use these stupifying psyops and disinformation techniques here. They are not into facts, dialogue or analysis. They are not informative or even interesting. They contribute nothing to our understanding of South America, except to apprise us that there are some truly ignorant 'memes' making the rounds. I think it's useful and good--and essential--to criticize leaders, even (or especially) leaders you like and largely agree with. I've read some LEFTIST criticism of Chavez, Correa, Fernandez and da Silva, that is very thought-provoking and helpful. Some of it is quite negative, but always based on facts, reason and analysis. I may not agree, but I'm better informed for having read it. I have not read ANYTHING on the right--and certainly not anything by the anti-Chavez posters at DU--that is remotely thought-provoking or helpful in my understanding of these leaders, this movement, or Latin America in general. They are useless! And I don't think you have to bow to them as a DU interest group. They are clearly not leftists or even progressives. They are not even centrist. They are RIGHTWING, and communication with them is about as edifying as talking to rabid Bushites. They are rabidly anti-Chavez. They call him lowlife names, and are ALWAYS against him, no matter the situation, no matter the facts, no matter the context. And they mostly do "hit and run" posts--very negative, totally uninformative. Of late--just like the Bush State Department--they have started to do the same to other leftist L/A leaders as well. The leftists are automatically bad. And they always support Colombia--the worst government in the western hemisphere (besides our own), and one of the worst in the world.

Show me a DU poster who has "their reasons" for not caring for Chavez who can write one coherent paragraph on those reasons, with evidence that has not been time and again debunked, and I might withdraw this criticism. I have yet to see this.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:22 AM
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15. It does take personal effort to crawl out from under the load of disinformation we get daily
regarding all the leftist Latin American leaders, and the astonishing load of stunningly misleading information on the fascist Colombian President, Álvaro Uribe, death squad, narcotrafficking connections and all, as well as more information on so many of his party, and his relatives.

Thank you for your endurance, and your patience and your flawless fix on Latin American events, and your willingness to take time to discuss it all, as there are new people arriving daily, no doubt, who still haven't had the time, or the stirrings yet that tell them maybe we've all been on the wrong track, and swallowing a whole lot that doesn't really add up, after reflection.

There's a moment in the lifetimes of many of us when we do have our "moment of truth," and make that breakthrough which will change the entire way we view what we have heard, permanently. Once it happens, it's IMPOSSIBLE to see the world the same way, isn't it? No way to go but forward, trying to find the truth becomes a powerful force.

Your writing encourages us to hope, to learn as much as possible, and to believe there can be a good resolution in Latin America after all the ungodly suffering thrust upon the native people over the centuries, and particularly a triumph over the absolute evil inflicted upon South and Central America, the Caribbean and Mexico since the 1940's forward to this very moment.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:21 PM
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23. My turning point was finding out about the TWO-HUNDRED THOUSAND Mayan
villagers slaughtered in Guatemala under Reagan. My God, how did I miss that in the 1980s?

I was well-informed, or thought I was. It escaped me. And I live on the west coast, not all that far from Guatemala (two countries away). I even knew some Guatemalans during that period, and also some Maryknolls who had been there. And either they didn't say enough, or I wasn't listening. And I certainly didn't get a clue as to the magnitude of that slaughter from our benighted press.

There should have been a Nuremburg trial for that, and Reagan should have impeached and jailed. As we know, he got away with the illegal war on Nicaragua (--the beginning of the disintegration of the Democratic Party leadership). Nicaragua was bad, but Guatemala was GENOCIDE. There is no other word for it--the systematic, methodical, horrible, attempted extermination of a race of people. And Reagan supported it, colluded on it, and funded it.

That, combined with the Iraq WMDs bullshit, finally convinced me that I had to begin reading corporate 'news' monopoly articles sort of from the inside out--in reverse. Whatever they are asserting--with their various framing techniques--is a lie, with a few facts embedded among the lies, to make you swallow the whole pill. It's not the other way around--basically reliable news, with occasional bias or misstatement. The entire point of view of the newswriter is way, way off base--extremely distorted--and their PURPOSE is to PALM THAT DISTORTED VIEW OFF AS 'NEWS.'

They might give you an accurate vote count or opinion poll number, for instance (--or they might not; you can't really trust basic facts either*), but then they will add something like, (despite so-and-so leftist's 70% approval rating), "his critics say" that he is...divisive, authoritarian, a friend of Fidel Castro, colluding with the FARC guerrillas, likely to cause 'investor panic,' etc. No source, no quote. "His critics say...".

What you come away with is a vague, uneasy feeling of illegitimacy, no matter how popular the leader may be, and his/her popularity is often attributed to buying the favor of the poor with social benefit programs. This latter is a Mobius strip of disinformation: It blames DEMOCRACY for the leader's popularity! How dare he or she EARN the votes of the poor by ATTENDING TO THEIR INTERESTS?!

The worst part of it is that these OPINIONS of the billionaire CEO who owns the corporate 'news' monopoly are often presented as NEWS--as the basic facts, assumptions and gist of the article. Often they don't even include the uncited, unsourced, unnamed "critics." They just present the criticism--as if it were commonly accepted truth, understood by all.

We need to do more than read between the lines. We need to question, upfront, the entire tenor of the article; we need to understand where it's coming from and what it is (it's not news; it's a rightwing billionaire's opinion); we need to question and vet all of its facts; we need to research context and history ourselves (it is almost never provided); and we need to understand the other, even more difficult disinformation tactic in all corporate 'news' sources: the black holes of missing information and uncovered, unreported stories. They never tell you about the poverty-stricken little old ladies in Venezuela, who are now paid by the government to cook lunches for the workers in a nearby factory, and thus, not only are doing something useful and satisfying (exercising one of the few skills they have--cooking), but also they gather in one of their homes to cook and serve the food, thus fostering friendships among the elderly and workers, and creating a supportive neighborhood network and meeting place, to stave off loneliness and to promote communication.

A little bit of government money--that, but for Chavez, would be lining the pockets of Exxon Mobil CEOs--used wisely, based on the advice of the local community--goes a long way toward solving many problems and creating a better society. It's just one little thing I picked up from alternative readings (probably at www.venezuelanalysis.com). It stayed with me. Little old ladies cooking food for the workers--homemade food, hot meals, using their best recipes from generations of cooks--and gabbling away while they feed people--rather than everyone eating at MacDonald's and enriching yet another multinational, and rather than everyone feeling alienated.

Multiply that bit a million times--poor mothers being paid to go back to school, feeling joy at being given FREE BOOKS (they could never afford books, though they always wanted to read), barrio kids in the amazing classical music program for poor kids in Venezuela, going on to conduct the L.A. Philharmonic, displaced campesinos getting five acres and growing food again, homeless, jobless street people getting a government loan to start a taxi business--a wiping out of illiteracy in Venezuela; a nearly 10% economic growth rate, with the most growth in the private sector. Add it all up, and you begin to grasp the breadth and depth of the black hole in corporate 'news' about Venezuela and the South American leftist movement. "His critics say...." ...friend of Fidel Castro, self-styled leftist, anti-U.S., using his country's oil profits to "spread his influence around Latin America." They don't tell you what "his influence" means--that it is an influence for the good.

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*Mark Penn's P.R. firm, for instance, got USAID funds to create a false poll in Venezuela--a poll that was promulgated, and was believed to be part of another rightwing coup plot--that said that Hugo Chavez didn't win the 2006 presidential election. (He won it with 63% of the vote, in a highly transparent and monitored election.) The idea was to stir up rightwing thugs to create disorder, possibly assassinate Chavez and bring in the military. The opposition candidate was obliged to publicly disavow this plot. So, there are false pollsters in S/A as well as here, and we have to watch out for this. Penn was Hillary Clinton's chief campaign consultant, and, although he is a scumbag--a paid agent of the Colombian government, for godssakes!--he apparently didn't support that false poll, and got into a debacle with his partner about it (or, in any case, had a lot of trouble salvaging his reputation, because everybody in Venezuela knew about it, though it went almost unreported here).

I'm versed in the evidence that Edison-Mitofsky doctored the 2004 exit polls, changing them from a Kerry win to a Bush win, to conform with the results of Diebold & brethren's "trade secret" formulas. So I know we have false pollsters here. And I'm more and more convinced that the current opinion polls showing a "close" race between Obama and McBush are false. But I have to admit that I swallowed the polls in Colombia showing 70% popularity for Uribe. If you think about the oppression of the poor in that country, you realize that pollsters are not likely adequately polling the poor (the majority), who may fear for their lives if they speak honestly. We need to constantly work on our skepticism skills, I guess.



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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:46 PM
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25. Thank you for sharing your wealth of information!
So many times I've wished I could recommend your replies inside a topic!
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:23 PM
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30. Ríos Montt was given private funding by private gala fundraisers by
American right-Evangelicals and fundies--much the same way that Ollie North held fundraisers with lying slideshows and pamphlets for the Contras, Mujahedeen, and UNITA
and remember, North reported Salvador activists to the Moonies (who form part of a great vat of r.w. evil in which Latin American dictatorships, the OAS, P2, Nazis, CIA, the Pentagon, and cynical KGB-directors-turned-oligarchs swim)
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:07 PM
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31. Thanks for that post! It was a great read! I agree wholeheartedly!
Also, the anti-Chavez campaign is as persistent in The Netherlands as it is in the United States. :(
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:13 AM
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6. kick
great thread

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:18 AM
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7. One of the few bright sides of US Imperialism's adoption of the Neocon Risk-game "strategy" for
world domination was that their fixation on military control of oil resources and encirclement of of Russia and China was the reduction in resources devoted to maintaining military dictatorships in Latin America and suppressing popular movements for justice. John Perkins has a good description of how the the "neo-liberal" World Bank, IMF and such used economic power, and then, as needed, military and CIA operations, to keep local power in the hands of of obedient and brutal henchmen:

http://democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251
http://www.johnperkins.org/
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:24 AM
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9. Another brilliant coup by the brilliant son of a bush.
100,000 acres in a country on the verge of putting the parasites in their place.




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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:54 AM
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10. Kick & Recommend!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:01 AM
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11. k+r, n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:13 AM
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12. Andale!
:kick:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:23 AM
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16. It couldn't have been done without Bush.
He is so fucking evil that the Latinos came to a collective epiphany that things better change fast or else.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:54 AM
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18. That's intense, but undoubtedly so true. Survival depends on it now.
That's a deepening point to make.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:36 AM
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17. Thank you for the article
And thanks to all who cut through the crap about Latin America. I really enjoy reading these posts and I set my watch by the naysayers.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:59 PM
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19. Good luck to them
but based on the history of the U.S. meddling in South American affairs to the detriment of the people, the people will probably lose.

Don't forget Dub bought huge amounts of land in Paraguay
--Bush bought 10,000 acres.

Ten Thousand Acres (some journalists have it as much as 99,000 acres).

This happened right after the Paraguayan government exempted American troops from any war-crimes prosecution no matter what.
Now that's heartening. Naw, nothing could go wrong THERE.
The Paraguayan's must feel serene and secure -- wouldn't we?

I bet you can build lots of 'spider holes' (read, for Bush, semi-secret bases with personal luxury accomodations) on ten thousand-to-a-hundred acres, anyhow. It doesn't hurt profit-wise that all his land would privately own the Guarani Aquifer, one of the largest underground water reserves in that country. And it's close to the Bolivian gas reserves to boot!
You know, what the Paraguayan people need to LIVE?
Isn't that what the World Bank advocates, privatization of a country's water and utilities? What better hands to put that into other than George W Bush's?
And isn't there another certain crop Bolivia produces that Bush has been known to indulge in?
Yee-haw!

Seriously, how can a guy who's failed in every business he ever managed, even with (decades old now) Saudi buy-outs, and who only supposedly has earned $400,000 per year for the past 8 years afford ten thousand, never mind one hundred thousand acres of prime South American land?

Thank God Bush can't buy up all the clean air along with potable & irrigational water, you know he would if he could. But with what he can already control, it probably wouldn't make any measurable difference in the people's 'quality' of life.

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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:52 PM
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21. i like how he supplies oil to our poor and struggling
i like that he he messed with bush at the un-called him satan. priceless. plus he is kinda cute.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:08 PM
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22. I hope Lugo spends a few days signing the hundreds of international extradition treaties...
... ignored by a 61-year procession of fascist dictators who wanted no part of international extradition agreements, sensibly concerned that these treaties could well be used against them.

The Bushies could be the next plague to hit Paraguay if Lugo isn't quick enough with his pen. But I doubt he wants any part of the Bush crime syndicate invading Paraguay. Talk about inviting disaster.

So I'm confident Lugo understands his position well and will take the appropriate steps to keep Paraguay a Bush-free zone.

It's pretty simple. He can either sign extradition treaties til the cows come home and preempt the Bush mass exodus before it begins, or he can stand by and watch as the Bushies occupy and destroy yet another country -- his own this time.

Hell of a choice; it would take any rational person at least a tenth of a second to decide.


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:44 PM
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26. You paint a pretty amusing picture of Lubo signing hundreds of extradition treaties
the day after his inauguration, to keep the Bush war criminals out. Very funny. I don't know quite how it works legally. Does he really have to sign hundreds of treaties, to bring Paraguay into conformance with the lawful nations of the world? I don't know quite how it will be enacted, but I do know this: Paraguay rescinded the non-extradition law--as a condition for joining Mercosur (S/A trade group) or the Bank of the South (also the U.S. military immunity law)--before Lugo was elected. They could already see the 'handwriting on the wall'--that you gotta play nice if you want the help and cooperation of these new leftist leaders getting elected all over the continent (and in every adjacent country).

Since Paraguay has no oil, it is never going to get $6 BILLION in military aid from the U.S., or any big aid package, and since it has no resources at all, except hydroelectric power (most of which it sells to Brazil), its rich elite is not likely going to get a "free trade" deal to get richer by. It is the poorest country in South America. There was some Bushite talk about how to protect the Bush Cartel cocaine routes in the "tri-corner" region (ahem, how to make 'war' on drugs--har, har, har--and kill some innocent peasants as "terrorists" in Paraguay, Bolivia and Brazil), but that talk died down when the RIGHTWING government joined the Bank of the South (fuck you, Georgie Porgie!), and thus, they gained great benefit from this leftist (mostly Chavez) initiative, but didn't have much to bargain with, with the Bush junta, except letting U.S. soldiers run around doing 'exercises' in Paraguay (prep for supporting the fascist secessionists next door in Bolivia?).

The new president, Fernando Lugo, wants the U.S. military out of Paraguay, and is throwing Paraguay's lot with the majority--the new leftist leaders--who have leaped to help him--Brazil's president jawboning hydroelectric interests to give Paraguay a fairer deal, Venezuela offering "all the oil they need," and many other projects and resources, which arrived, like the 'gold, frankincense and myrhh' carried by the Three Kings, on the day of his inauguration. The presidents of Brazil, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina and Chile were there to help. The Colorado Party's rich elite (which saw the 'handwriting on the wall' and stepped back from stealing elections and corruptly running everything) may well benefit from the leftist largesse, but it's going to be administered by the "bishop of the poor"--in the most unusual election in South America's history--and they will have to play by leftist rules, including social justice (a slice of the pie) for the poor majority.

As for the Bush Cartel and its rumored purchase of (as much as) 100,000 acres of prime aquifer in Paraguay, if this purchase actually occurred, they no doubt have layers of backup plans and purposes--something like this: First, staging area for sending U.S. troops or Blackwater (or Colombian paras) across the border into Bolivia to support the fascist civil war (that's been pretty much stymied by Lugo's election); second, blackmail re the water supply and hydroelectric power; third, controlling and protecting the Bush Cartel cocaine trade; fourth, refuge for Bushite criminals, big and little (for instance, their hit men, or anyone in trouble for their various crimes). They could still provide refuge, even with Lugo as president, cuz what's Lugo gonna do, if they hole up in their compound, protected by Blackwater (and the Secret Service)? Invade it?

Although I have NOT seen confirmation of this Bush Cartel land purchase, I imagine one of the first things they would see to is jet/helicopter access in and out. There is a U.S. airbase in Paraguay, out in the middle of nowhere--quite big--recently beefed up by the Bushites with our tax dollars, and where hundreds of U.S. troops have been landed, to take part in 'exercises' in Paraguay. I'm not sure of its proximity to the theoretical Bushite compound. But access in and out would be a primary concern.

Access in and out could conceivably be negotiated with the somewhat more U.S.-friendly government of Brazil, if Paraguay had warrants out for Bushites; this would be illegal of Brazil, but it might be fudged-smudged over, and Brazil does have considerable leverage in Paraguay, as its chief hydroelectric customer. Brazil's Lula da Silva is a good guy--former steelworker--who has been awesome in his adamant support of the Bolivarian leftist presidents--but he is also a pragmatist, and I could see him compromising on an item like this, as he did on his biofuels deal with the Bushites, if he saw something in it for Brazil, and/or if the Bushites were not causing other trouble in South America. I think he is genuinely into fighting poverty, and is a genuine friend of Portugal, but might well be less ideological than other regional leftists about indicting Bushites.

I'm trying to think how the Bushites could use such a property as a legal refuge. One aspect to it--as I mentioned above--is that Lugo might not want to, or be able to, do anything about it. (He might be able to stop them from interfering in Bolivia--or make it difficult for them to do so--but he might not be able to arrest and deport indicted Bushite war criminals, even if he had the legal authority and inclination to do it.) Another is the need for use of someone's air space to get in and out. My mention of Lula da Silva is just a speculation (the least leftist of the surrounding leftist democracies). If Lugo grounded Bushite aircraft, on suspicion of their harboring international criminals, what would they do? And what would Lugo do? Shoot them down? (If they are high level Bushite criminals--Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al--that would likely bring unwanted attention from Washington DC, which doesn't like its criminal presidents to be attacked, or brought to justice; many of us might cheer, but our officialdom would retaliate). (Note: Bush and Cheney will have Secret Service protection for the rest of their lives--whether we, the people, like it or not--so just imagine this: Paraguayan policy/military shooting it out against U.S. Secret Service/Blackwater, in an effort to arrest Bush or brethren. Not very likely--whatever the law says. And if there is any threat that that was going to happen, leaders like Lulu would probably step in to prevent it.)

In any case, there has been no confirmation of this Bush Cartel land purchase, so all of this is speculation. If, by some unexpected turn of events, they get indicted here, and have to flee the U.S., I think that their most likely destination would be the United Arab Emirates (where Halliburton has now moved its headquarters to). South America is hostile territory for Bushites, even without a leftist government in Paraguay.

If they have the land, though, they might well use it for economic gain (and bullying and blackmail), even if they don't build a fortress there for indicted Bush criminals.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:35 PM
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24. Recommend. Viva The Socialist Revolution.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 05:50 PM
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27. Free yes, fair no.
I have seen no evidence that Chavez's election wasn't free, but his use of state resources and power to campaign and to restrict people campaigning against him, or neutral, means that "fair" is stretching it, I think.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:04 PM
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28. ''use of state resources and power ......to restrict people campaigning against him,''
so say you

typical.....

back it up with credible sources
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:27 PM
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29. It's my understanding that the Venezuelan gov't subsidized the 'alternative'
media that ran ads and programming touting the opposition and slamming his admin. In fact there was great hue and cry here when that funding was withdrawn and he was accused of 'shutting down' the opposition media. But the funding was withdrawn long after the elections and the radio network is still b'casting w/ funding from the bankers and the plantation owners. If you know otherwise please educate me. I have not been in Venezuela for a few years now.
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