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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 09:57 PM
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Check out Yohandry's blog from Cuba, (more truthful than Yoani)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 10:53 PM
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1. Yes, he's quite obsessed by Yoani.
I've read quite a bit of his blog when looking for "counter blogs."
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 11:02 PM
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2. Why are you interested in the debates surrounding Cuba?
If you've read so much it doesn't show in some of your comments.

Of course around here there are plenty of people pretending to be what they are not.

For instance the use of the anarchy logo is kind of what I'd expect from a phoney.
No offense but it conflicts with what you write and seems like a (corny) mask.

Anything to do with Cuba is riddled with disinformation artists, thus my question.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 11:54 PM
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3. Because a few years ago there wasn't one blog from inside Cuba.
As a tourist the whole view of Cuba you get is nice smiling people and nice food in a nice hotel.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 12:39 AM
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4. Did you visit Cuba?
Sorry I only catch bits of what you write.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:43 AM
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5. Yes, but I have not been to "your" Cuba.
What's insulting is that I've been discussing Cuba relations for going on 10 years here on DU. It's not like I just started posting about it (maybe in this subforum but I wasn't even aware of it until someone alerted a post that was cross-posted here, I think it's because I only recently got a star that I was able to post here? Not sure). In my early years posting here (2003-2004) I was a big Castro defender, search my post history.

I used to throw the whole "I've been to Cuba" shit out there because it shut people up when I was defending Cuba. But I spent 4 nights in a casa after flying in from Toronto (the typical US citizen vacation trick, which tens of thousands US citizens do every year) and had absolutely no interaction with regular citizens. In retrospect I did not visit the real Cuba, I visited a beach resort in Santa Clara. It is dishonest to say one knows Cuba when they really don't, and I won't pretend (and any time I threw it out there as a snide defense I apologize for it).

Over the years I have become disillusioned. What is Cuba? Who is Cuba? I cannot fucking talk to Cubans, I have tried, for many years, to talk to regular Cubans. I can talk to Mexicans (I have quite a few latino friends online, just happens with how diverse the US is becoming), Brazilians (Brazilians used to be the worlds satellite hackers, now they've somewhat moved on to other things, but I still have friends from when we'd hack satellite signals), a good friend of mine was an Architect from Argentina. Hell, I met someone from Guyana recently, and we've been talking fairly regular ever since (if you search "joshcryer + somekeyword" you'll be able to verify this stuff; have fun reading my anarchist posts! :hi: ).

Now you can try to educate me about the horrible embargo and how it is responsible for this. OK it is. The evil USA has prevented Cubans from accessing the internet. But then I read, and I see how people get jailed, with no verifiable ties to the US. I see how people get maligned, and I see how technology and information exchange is seen as a bad thing from a policy standpoint in Cuba. You can tell me about how the US is the worlds greatest terrorist and how the CIA has harassed Cuba for decades, and I'll nod my head, sure, horrible stuff.

But something has changed in the last 1-2 years. Cubans have made their voice be known. Wow, I can see what some Cubans are thinking, outside of the only source of information Granma and the various, outdated, archaic sites that are pro or anti Cuba (all of which use the same tired arguments for and against the revolution, for and against the Miami thugs, for and against capitalism). The difference is clear. The Cuban people have their own unique position. Most of the blogs are hardly what one would call "right wing" (but because they denounce Castro's regime they must be bad).

It's not about Miami vs Havana anymore, it's not CIA vs Castro anymore, it really isn't. The old talking points are falling into obscurity even as we speak. Now at most the allegations are much more vague. You have to blame a blogger that receives an award on some grander conspiracy. Yoani is so evil she warrents dozens of posts questioning her faithfulness to Cuba, yet most of the stuff she posts is by far hardly anything worth even worrying ones self about (indeed, having her blocked in Cuba was the first thing to make her interesting to the rest of the world; and yes even Yohandry admitted in his first blog post that she was blocked, so she wasn't making it up). Since anyone in Cuba can now get assistance from any American much more egregious claims are going to leveled at the bloggers.

Anyway, I like Yohandry's blog, but it is not very substantiative. If you want a pro-Cuba blog, I really recommend paquitoeldecuba, particularly the comments section. Paquito spends an inordinate amount of time defending Cuba, to any and all posters (including, most likely, many Miami-Cubans; at least that was my impression): http://paquitoeldecuba.wordpress.com/ He is a true patriot of the revolution or whatever you want to call it, even having to admit that the revolution he defends does not defend his rights as an individual (he is gay).

My favorite blog would have to be The Little Brother, though: http://pequenohermanoenglish.wordpress.com/ Granted, he is now an exile (and therefore one can say he's an evil Miami-Cubano who wants to burn Cuba to the ground and take back his families property, etc), but his posts while in Cuba were amazing, and I have no reason to question the veracity of what he wrote then (I read his entire blog, it's only a year old, about one novel size by now).

BTW, one last thing, if you really want to question my anarchist credentials, we can have a good old fashioned anti-capitalist talk if you want, we can focus on Cuba or on Venezuela or any Latin American country. I loves me some capitalist bashing, and know all the talking points, but DU isn't one to particularly like it (in the primary forums), and I don't have the energy to debate 20 people bashing me at once. ;)
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:41 AM
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6. Why can't you go to Cuba and hang out and talk to people?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:53 AM
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7. I'd have to stay there for a while, I couldn't pull the "don't stamp my passport" trick.
And then, I could risk getting jail time. I'd have to go through a humanitarian route, maybe student exchange. This is non-trivial.

In any event, I do wonder what Cuba would look like with almost a million people going there every year for tourism. I bet it would certainly look a lot different than it does now.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 04:11 AM
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8. Going to Cuba is a civil infraction--not a criminal one.
It really is not difficult. You would not go to jail over it.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 04:31 AM
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9. Trading with the Enemy Act is still in place under 2011 OFAC guidelines.
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 04:52 AM by joshcryer
Getting jailtime is implausible, sure.

edit: ahh, I hadn't scrutinized these guidelines, they plan to give out journalistic licenses almost wholesale, to anyone who can make up an excuse. That's more like it.

So have you been to Cuba? Do you have a good general sense of their sentiment toward their government? Why must we have blogs of "supporters" posted here to "convince" people?

Ahh, it's clear you don't know where the problem arises, to avoid fines you go in through another country, and tell them not to stamp your passport (Cuba is happy to oblige), so you go to Cuba, no stamped passport, and return, if a customs official asks you "Did you fly in to Cuba?" you must be completely honest, even if they have no evidence whatsoever, and this results in having to pay fines. But if you lie and they cannot prove it, you don't have to pay any fines. But if you lie and they can prove it, you get in deep do-do for lying to a federal official.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 12:11 PM
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12. I have been there twice but not long enough to know much.
I went publicly with Pastors for Peace.
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:19 PM
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31. I was born in Cuba, lived there many years under the communists
And I don't think many of you foreign visitors have the foggiest idea of what it's like. And the ones who do claim are just people who don't know what they don't know. Or maybe they know but they won't tell. :(
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 09:54 PM
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39. I think that you make constant errors that reveal how long you've been away
but your huffy pride reveals you as a true Cuban! All that Cubans are the
ones who know it all blah blah is a pile of crap. Plenty of foreigners are
way more informed and when Cubans isolate themselves with pride they lose.

(Don't get me wrong I like Cubans but they do have a weakness in that area;)
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:43 PM
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49. If you'd been there
you'd know they don't stamp your passport anyway.

If and when the Americans are back there on holiday the general consensus is the the Canadians and Europeans will stop going there.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 05:16 PM
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50. Hey, Dipsydoodle, I heard that back in 2000, from someone who lives in Canada,
who goes to Cuba regularly. She said that she had heard that, too, from European people she had met, that everyone was dreading the day U.S. Americans would be flooding the place, that it would be ruined, for sure.

For any previous CNN former poster, that was Jean Sawyer, one of a bunch of posters at CNN from various countries who go to Cuba.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:03 PM
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13. I have lived in Cuba.
Been there many times before and afterward. I married a wonderful Cuban woman in Cuba, We lived the Cuban way. Later, we moved to Miami.
I was in Cuba during an entire election cycle. I attended fully open nomination sessions, elections (no, I didn't vote) where just about everyone voted, I watched the Ratification elections to seat the winning candidates.

I know Cubañia pretty well. It is nothing like Josh describes. Cubans, by and large, are as independent thinkers as one will find on this planet. I've seen Josh try to brow beat DUers who suggest that Cuba is anything but what Josh believes and conjures it to be. Don't fall for it. Josh is a good source of official links, though. I do respect that about him.

I've posted on many threads here over the years that describe some of my experiences there, especially the elections - that I took great interest in, as I had been pretty much brainwashed into believing that Cuba had no democratic processes. Boy, was I in for a lesson. Just as many Americans would be in for if they were to be able to freely go there to see for themselves. Unfortunately, the US government maintains the travel restrictions on Americans and US resident aliens who do not have direct blood relatives in Cuba. For shame.


Viva Cuba!





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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:45 PM
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17. Thanks for the heads up!
I never noticed him in previous threads.

Happy Valentines Day!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:55 PM
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19. I have nothing against Cubans and do not criticise them.
No where have I claimed that they were not "independent thinkers." You know back in 2003 I was defending Cuba with the best of them, you even educated me about how I could travel throughout Cuba using their "hitchhiking routes" and even using a bicycle. I was going to do that but I was afraid because of the idea of traveling about without an OFAC license worried me, perhaps that made me not an independent thinker, but I was told by travel agency people not to make myself too high profile, whether they told me that to just cover their asses or what is a mystery.

But from 2003 to 2007 I was unable to get any substantive information about Cuba. It was either pro or anti Castro, simple as that. When you only have two positions on a given subject you have to sit back and think about what the truth is. It's never, ever, black and white. Ever. I find blogs of regular people writing about their daily lives, and it's hardly "controversial." Licea wrote about his being fired because he wrote "unsanctioned" stuff, dude doesn't realize that that shit happens here (and likely everywhere on the planet), too. It's not controversial, it's not something to go "Little Brother is an Agent of the CIA and is against the Cuban Revolution!" over. But he's been maligned as a right wing agent. I want to see Licea read a typical contract with a news agency, I'd be highly amused by the loopholes and gotchas that they have (he might even render himself a hypocrite).

Yoani herself, and I read most of her blog already, is hardly even worth worrying about on the scheme of things, even if you believed all the Magnificent Things that All Must Agree are True and Good, she doesn't say anything that is terrifyingly bad. Yet she is aligned with right wing fascists.

What really cemented it for me is the quote, "The wild colt of new technologies can and must be controlled." That is terrifying, that is unbelievable. Cuba has announced the recent release of their Linux based Operating System, Nova. Do they not understand what open source means? It means you cannot control it. Being a technologically oriented anarchist this really bugs me, the whole two faced idea of controlling the internet to avoid pornography and other things that "Threaten the State" is not the direction that technology is going. There was a thesis recently released entitled "On the viability of the Open Source Development model for the design of physical objects." It is the eventual direction that technology is going to go (and it is one reason I am still an anarchist after years of public mockery for sharing these ideas; yeah, anarchists are like the least controversial but most derided of all political philosophies, imo). And Cuba will benefit, it doesn't matter what position the State holds.

Ironic part about Nova? Linux is created http://www.linuxfoundation.org/sites/main/files/publications/whowriteslinux.pdf">by corporations, for corporations (PDF). By all means, use it, but let's be honest about the sources from which it is derived.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:06 PM
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33. "No where have I claimed that they were not "independent thinkers."" Really?
You've not actually been to Cuba much nor observed much, and your accusation proves it.... "Wow, I can see what some Cubans are thinking, outside of the only source of information Granma...."

When I was in Cuba during the early 70's Cubans were reading foreign newspapers. I'd come back to Miami and hear the screaming meemies INSIST that it isn't so. Up until the US broadcast TV signals were digitized for the over-air digital US "upgrade", Cubans would tune in to S Florida TV stations, and they continue to listen to US radio broadcasts, the BBC, numerous global short wave news and various other shows.

Its VERY revealing that you don't communicate this as part of your "in depth" understanding of Cubañia.

I learned in my early years, and sometimes I'm reminded of it here, to not believe my lyin' eyes. :eyes: :sarcasm:






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:37 AM
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40. Huh? The only source of information for *me*. Reread what I wrote and stop projecting please.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:19 PM
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21. I noticed that the poster you mention does not seem to be
on the side of the people of Haiti or one other Latin American country that he discussed.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:13 AM
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23. Yes, because finding issues with despotic crook puppets of the US makes me a horrible person.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:37 AM
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10. Try talking about anarchism with Cubans
You will find they are eager to be micro capitalists and don't relate to airy fairy ideas about anarchism - which usually are espoused by overly idealistic youth that have never suffered their privations.

What you missed by not getting to know Cubans is the reality of their lives and how the US blockade has harmed them and you've joined the camp of those who want that simply not to be true due to your previous overembrace of Fidel.

Most Cubans and foreign supporters of Cubans on the island are not Castro lovers as you'd like to imply but realists. The point is the end of the embargo and improvements in the financial state of the Cubans, they'll figure out the rest.

Yoani has aligned herself with right wing forces like it or not. Many who look for someone to support in Cuba feel comfortable with her and don't want to question how the right leaning forces in the USA use her to make their anti-Cuba points.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:11 PM
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14. Many plusses and thumbsup
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:28 PM
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15. I know two anarchist Cuban born people (Miami oh no).
I was chastised by one for talking about Cuba's decentralized organic farming, because they left Cuba at an early age. They don't really "count" of course, and I wouldn't try to convince you that they do "count" in your eyes. But they do have family in Cuba, and have visited Cuba, and have told me that anarchist sentiment does still exist to some degree. They never saw those organic farms.

The current micro-capitalism that Cuba is experiencing is not new, due to the massive layoffs there has to be some solution to keep people acting economically. If the US were to lift travel restrictions (so that instead of cheating and jumping to another country to visit Cuba without a OFAC license) there would be millions of people going to Cuba from the United States (I believe the predicted number is actually 800 thousand in the first year, but you could expect that to climb significantly, so I don't think I'm exaggerating too much when I say "millions"; low crime in Cuba, a nice skip from Florida, etc).

I believe you, though, that a general Cuban would not align themselves with anarchism, not because they want to be capitalists, but because from a philosophical standpoint state-socialism is capitalism. There is no substantive difference between corporations owning and controlling capital and the state owning and controlling capital. But it would be unfair to reject anarchism as one of the driving forces in Cuba during the anti-Batista conflicts. To call anarchist philosophy "fairy ideas" is a direct insult to all of those who were against Batista, who were disappeared or exiled after the Revolution.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:44 PM
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16. It's not about anarchism and wasn't
because it was about overthrowing a USA backed puppet. Not about creating
an anarchist model.

Workers control over aspects of their work and sales of goods is not anarchism.

If you can make the case though please do.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:58 PM
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20. Workers control over their work is explicitly anarchist.
You need to read the Anarchist FAQ and you need to read The Cuban Revolution by Sam Dolgoff, along with Cuban Anarchism: The History of a Movement by Frank Fernández. Both are available online for free, and they are easy reads. Be careful though because they have a somewhat different view of the Revolution, particularly as it relates to the workers movement and how the workers movements were purged.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:11 AM
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24. You need to be careful with asking others to be careful
as if you knew their capacity for intellectual thought or their political proclivities.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:43 AM
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26. I apologise. I find anyone who insults anarchist philosophy like that as naive or ignorant of it.
Marxist philosophy came from anarchist philosophy. "Proudhon was the master of us all." When you failed to connect workers rights with anarchism it was clear then that you didn't read the texts or understand the historical background for anarchism.

And yes, it does talk some serious smack about how the unions were reformed by Castro's government.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:24 PM
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30. If you want to be an educator on the subject put some links
So far you come off as closer to the right wing than an anarchist in your views and haven't built any case for relevance with facts.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 08:11 PM
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38. Anarchists are anti-government, because they are critical of percieved 'liberal' government...
...does not make them "right wing." It's easy to go after sound bites and express innuendo about people, though, and it helps in an argument if you do that, since spectators are going to be drawn by it rather than substance. But that's fine.

Wikipedia has a good overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Cuba

(One thing to be said about anarchists, they defend their articles on Wikipedia voraciously, I remember the old "anarcho"-capitalist wars that we had, fortunately we've been able to fill every article about "anarcho"-capitalism with disclaimers.)

The Cuban Revolution: A critical perspective by Sam Dolgoff: http://libcom.org/history/cuban-revolution-critical-perspective-sam-dolgoff (note the leading comment that has chapter 12, which is missing in this one)

Cuban Anarchism: The History of a Movement by Frank Fernández: http://libcom.org/library/cuba-anarchism-history-of-movement-fernandez
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:58 AM
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11. "It's not about Miami vs Havana anymore, it's not CIA vs Castro anymore, it really isn't." ???
"It's not about Miami vs Havana anymore, it's not CIA vs Castro anymore, it really isn't. The old talking points are falling into obscurity even as we speak."

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The Miami mafia reps in Congress had a meeting with Latin American fascists before Christmas, in their glee and salivation over the prospects for creating mayhem and bloodshed in Latin American leftist countries, by means of the new Scumbag Congress (compliments of Diebold/ES&S). They basically called for a U.S. war on Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua and other leftist democracies.

I think you very much underestimate the long term, entrenched power, and control over U.S. foreign policy, of the Miami mafia, and perhaps have fallen for the notion that the Obama State Dept/CIA is different from past U.S. State Dept/CIA's. It is not. Its goals are the same--creation of entirely dominated, intimidated, bullied and bought-and-paid-for U.S. client states, where U.S.-based transglobal corporations can freely ravage resources and workforces for the profit of the rich. The only difference is that the Obama State Dept/CIA faces a different situation--the vast leftist democracy movement that has swept the region--so their intent is re-conquest of the region while trying to hang on, by tooth and claw, to U.S. client states like Honduras. This has not been easy for them, when countries like Brazil, in close alliance with Venezuela and other leftist democracies, absolutely refuse to play the U.S. "divide and conquer" game.

And all this very much IS about "Miami vs Havanna" in the eyes of U.S. policymakers. One of the main reasons for the U.S. backed rightwing coup d'etat in Honduras was that leftist President Mel Zelaya had joined ALBA, the Venezuela-Cuba organized barter trade group, which was created to provide some collective economic/political clout for the smaller and/or poorer countries of the Central America/Caribbean region, in opposition to U.S. "free trade for the rich." The U.S. considers ALBA to be a dire threat. They brutally overthrew Honduras' democracy, mainly because of it (ALBA), and warned off El Salvador, which had applied to join ALBA and decided not to, after the Honduran coup.

What is the threat? The threat is social justice, of which Cuba is the long-standing icon, with Venezuela arising, more recently, as the regional champion and pioneer.

One of the coup generals in Honduras stated that their coup was intended to "prevent communism from Venezuela reaching the United States" (--quoted in a report on the coup from the Zelaya government-in-exile).

"Communism," in this general's mind, and in the minds of U.S. policymakers (who likely planted this idea in his head) = universal health care, universal free education through college, decent wages and benefits, pensions for the elderly poor, use of a country's resources to benefit the people who live there, government as the defender of the poor majority vs "organized money" (as FDR put it), and, in general, government "of, by and for the people" as manifested in the clean elections and high voter turnouts and public participation in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and other leftist countries (and even by the weird hybrid government--part monarchy, part democracy--that has developed in Cuba).

With the exception of Cuba (which has some aspects of democracy but, because of its unique history, is really very hard to categorize), this U.S. stance in Latin America puts the U.S. on the wrong side of every democracy struggle--and, in fact, the U.S. is actively funding and supporting rightwing groups and fascist operatives throughout the region. This is the policy of the Miami mafia. They don't just have a vicious hatred of the Cuba government, which has thoroughly infected U.S. government policy, they hate the Chavez government in Venezuela (honestly elected, very democratic and beneficial), the Morales government in Bolivia (honestly elected, very democratic and beneficial), the Correa government in Ecuador (honestly elected, very democratic and beneficial), etc. They hate democracy in Latin America and so does the U.S. government.

Cuba has never been just about Cuba, ever, in the eyes of the Miami mafia and U.S. government policymakers. It is about imposing the fascist will of the Miami mafia and its allies in Latin America, on Latin American countries, which coincides with the will of Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Drummond Coal, Chiquita, Bechtel and all the other U.S. multinational corporations, including war profiteers like Dyncorp, and U.S. and European banksters (IMF/World Bank) to grossly exploit Latin American resources and workers.

This has not changed one bit, and it is evidenced everywhere you look at U.S. activities in the region and in the activities of its ONLY allies in the region--the few, the elite, the rightwingers and the fascists and militarists. Countries where the majority rules--where democracy is real--are targeted for overthrow. U.S policy in Latin American is extremely anti-democratic--one of the more excruciating ironies of its hatred of Cuba and its non-stop criticism of Cuba as "undemocratic." The USAID funneling multi-millions of our tax dollars to rightwing groups all over Latin America is one of the most anti-democratic activities possible, short of supporting outright coup d'etats in Venezuela '02 (failed), Bolivia '08 (failed) and Honduras '09 (successful), which the U.S. is also guilty of.

These utterly hypocritical U.S. policies and actions--not to mention their dire impacts in murder, mayhem and poverty--derive directly from the untoward influence of the Miami mafia in Washington in alliance with U.S. multinational corporate and war profiteer interests.

This has not changed. The U.S. is virulently anti-democratic in Latin America. So is the Miami mafia. And they are in close accord, with an anti-democratic, anti-social justice agenda that goes back half a century, psychotically focused on Cuba because Cuba alone resisted the U.S. installation of heinous fascist dictators throughout the region.

The Obama administration does have a different strategy with regard to Cuba (and has been forced into a different strategy in the region by the success and the unity of leftist governments--for instance, the Brazil-Venezuela alliance). They are trying to take advantage of the old age of Fidel and Raul Castro to worm their way into Cuba to overthrow its social justice government and open the island up to U.S. "free trade for the rich." Cuba is central to the U.S. "circle the wagons" region (Central America/Caribbean) against the coming prosperity and clout of UNASUR (South American EU-type common market). This is also the region of heavy U.S. military presence including numerous U.S. military bases and the newly reconstituted U.S. 4th Fleet in the Caribbean. The U.S. military is the enforcer of "free trade for the rich." They are there to keep the client states in line (and have been quite active in various situations to that purpose--including in Colombia, Honduras, Haiti, Costa Rica and Panama) and to be ready to expand that "circle the wagons' area, when called upon, to, for instance, add Venezuela's Caribbean oil coast and northern oil provinces to the U.S. "sphere of influence" (or, rather, "sphere of domination").

Cuba is at the center of all this--historically, economically, politically. It is targeted for inclusion in the U.S. "circle the wagons" region and will be a particularly resonant triumph for U.S. corporations and war profiteers, however it is done. It will likely take a long time to break the Cuban people--and, for instance, to destroy their free health care and education systems (particular targets of U.S. multinationals)--but that is the goal.

The Cuban people should have no illusions about this. They themselves may want to take advantage of the old age of the Castros to re-make their system--and, for instance, jettison its monarchical aspects and introduce more "marketplace" openness and investment. In studying up on their current system, and with the help of our more learned DUers, I've come to conclusion that Cubans have had considerable experience of democracy--totally hidden from our view, here in the U.S.--and should be quite capable of re-organizing their system in whatever ways they think best, in the interest of their people and their country. But I hope that they remain extremely cautious as to U.S. intentions, for those intentions are terrible. We have only to look at Colombia and Honduras to see how terrible--U.S. supported murder of thousands of trade unionists, human rights workers, teachers, community activists, journalists, peasant farmers and others. They should look to the other end of the island of Cuba for the fate that may be theirs, at U.S. hands. And if Cuba falls, as a country committed to social justice, it could signal the end of all hopes for social justice in Central America and the Caribbean.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:47 PM
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18. I just read the first part and agree
and wish that the people of Honduras had social media!

I am for the most part an Obama supporter but I could cry over his decisions regarding Latin America.

For now I blame Hillary Clinton who is a hawk and whose brother is married to a right wing Cuban American.

Obama needs to visit Cuba!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:27 PM
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22. May I multiply your hearts by 30, in appreciation for your
insightful, thoughtful, and informative posts? 900 hearts to you.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:32 AM
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25. The "Miami mafia" has little influence in Cuba, and saying they could is an insult to Cuban's.
To think that Cubans, those who take to the blogs to relate personal stories of their lives and their perceptions of the regime which they live under, are somehow or could somehow be influenced by the "Miami mafia" is a joke of epic proportions. As I said before, if the Miami Cuban's had any influence whatsoever they would've actually achieved something in the past 50 years. They are irrelevant niche and have no power outside of US politics and perception warring.

Let me tell you why, exactly: If there was even one iota of connection between the bloggers and, say, Alpha 66, they would be immediately arrested and jailed for counterrevolutionary behavior. Instead, they post under their real names (ahh, something so missing from internet discourse, "Peace Patriot"), they say absolutely nothing controversial (to anyone with a reasoned view of things, oh big whoop some Cuban blogger compares Cuba to Egypt, I've seen that very thing comparing the US to Egypt here on DU!), and were they to be arrested it would only cause an uproar.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:40 AM
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27. I was not talking about Cuban bloggers. Perhaps I misunderstood your use of "it."
"It's not about Miami vs Havana anymore, it's not CIA vs Castro anymore, it really isn't. The old talking points are falling into obscurity even as we speak."

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I took "it" to mean what's currently happening in Cuba and the region. What's happening in the Central America/Caribbean region is U.S. thuggish domination, the targeting of leftist democracies on the Pentagon's Big Dartboard, in that region and in South America, and billions of our tax dollars being spent toward the purpose of DESTROYING democracy in Latin America. This is the purpose of the anti-Castro Miami mafia. The purposes of the U.S. government and the Miami mafia are one and the same. And the untoward influence of the Miami mafia on U.S. policy is why nothing has changed in fifty years. The U.S. should long ago have abandoned the embargo and established a policy of respect for Cuban sovereignty--as virtually every government in Latin America has done, and most of the governments of the world. And the reason they don't is that U.S.-based transnational corporations and war profiteers, in accord with this rancid, corrupt, CIA-connected mafia in Miami, want to break Cuba and reconquer it. And that is U.S. policy throughout Latin America against any independent country. Colombia, Honduras and Haiti present vivid examples of what the U.S. government and its corporations and war profiteers, in accord with the Miami mafia, will do to Cuba if they can.

Any discussion of Cuba that does not take this ominous reality into consideration is taking place in "Alice in Wonderland," as far as I'm concerned. It is the overriding reality of the region and of U.S. policy toward the region and toward Cuba. To toss it aside as "irrelevant" is to be as insensible as the Dormouse at the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.

Look at Haiti, for godssakes, and the brutal game the U.S. is playing there. Look at the corpses of anti-coup activists in Honduras. Look at the mass graves in Colombia, containing the hacked up bodies of trade unionists and teachers and peasant farmers. THAT is Cuba's intended fate!

The Miami mafia is NOT "irrelevant." It controls U.S. policy. And the U.S. is intent upon controlling the Central America/Caribbean region, including brutal control--including even outright war, if the Scumbag Congress has any say about it (and they well might--Obama/Clinton showed no resistance whatever to far rightwing U.S. operatives like Jim DeMint (SC-Diebold) and John "death squad" Negroponte, on Honduras--and, anyway, Obama can easily be replaced if he doesn't obey).

If "Cuban bloggers" aren't talking about this, then they are irrelevant. It is the overriding reality for Cuba that it is in the middle of the U.S. "circle the wagons" area and sits there as an icon of social justice, the very thing that U.S. multinationals want to smash to pieces, everywhere.

In contemplating Aristide's return to Haiti (which is apparently occurring because the U.S. bullied its puppet, Preval, a bit too brutally), I have been thinking about the changed landscape of Latin America that Aristide is returning to. There is hope now--where there wasn't before--that he can forge regional alliances to get the U.S. boot off Haiti's neck. Cuba is not isolated now, as it once was. Social justice leaders are not alone any more. The political landscape has undergone a vast change for the better. But this change for the better is more uncertain in the Central America/Caribbean region--as opposed to South America--precisely because it is the U.S. "circle the wagons" region, and the U.S. is moving aggressively to control it. It will not permit fair elections in Haiti. It conducted a macabre farce of a martial law election in Honduras--even while anti-coup activists were being imprisoned, raped, tortured and murdered. And the scorched earth carnage against leftists in Colombia, supported by billions of U.S. tax dollars, and possibly with U.S. military involvement, is almost indescribable, it is so awful. Then there is CAFTA (U.S. "free trade for the rich"), and U.S. military operations in supposedly demilitarized Costa Rica, and U.S. "war on drugs"-instigated murder and mayhem in Mexico, and numerous other domination activities.

Cuba has a chance, now, to recover from the embargo and pull out of U.S.-imposed punishment, as Haiti has a chance to establish the real democracy and independence that Haitians long for--because there is a Chavez government in Venezuela, and a Morales government in Bolivia, and a Colom government in Guatemala, and a Funes government in El Salvador, and an Ortega government in Nicaragua, and a da Silva/Rousseff government in Brazil, and a Kirchner-Fernandez government in Argentina, and a Lugo government in Paraguay, and a Mujica government in Uruguay.

But, in Honduras, we had a united Latin America, led by Brazil, which could do nothing to the stop the coup in Honduras, despite fervent efforts. The president of the country was kidnapped and taken at gunpoint to the U.S. military base at Palmarola, Honduras, where he was flown out of his own country. THAT could well be the fate of any new president of Cuba who defends Cuba's social justice policies. Zelaya was brutally evicted for joining ALBA and for raising the minimum wage for Honduran sweatshop workers and ag workers in U.S. corporate factories and farms, and other social justice policies. That is how much regard the U.S. government has for democracy. It is anti-democratic. And it will decimate Cuba, if it can. It will throw Cuba back 50 years to the Batista era, just as it has thrown Honduras back to the Reagan death squad era.

It sounds like Cuban bloggers are NOT addressing this very grave matter of U.S. activities and intentions in the region, and are living in Illusion-land as to what it will take to maintain independence, democracy and social justice in the face of U.S. corporate/war profiteer power. If they think they're going to have little businesses and make themselves a tidy little living, with our Corporate Rulers having gained entry to their country, they ought to take a look at the decimated small business graveyard in the U.S. If they think U.S. Corporate is going to give them a nice job, they ought to take a trip to Honduras and tour the sweatshops. If they want to become an ELITE--the ones who make it, in a predatory capitalist economy--they ought to go stand among the entrails of the poor in the mass graves of Colombia, or hang out with the homeless in any U.S. city, to understand what the cost of that is. And if they are yammering about "anarchism" or ANY theoretical notion of human organization, the U.S. war machine will just run right over them. The power to be independent, in Cuba's situation--this tiny island with the U.S. war machine surrounding it, and U.S. corporations poised like vultures to exploit it--can only come from strategic alliances, such as ALBA or UNASUR. The U.S. will NOT "liberate" Cuba. It will enslave it.

I hope Cubans who may be restless with Cuba's system or tired of Castro know what they may be doing to Cuban independence if they rely on U.S. support or model their ambitions on the illusory democracy here--a democracy that does not exist any more. We, the north Americans, are now enslaved to these corporate and military forces. Our elections are completely non-transparent, now run on 'TRADE SECRET' code, owned and controlled by one, private, far rightwing connected corporation, in addition to being extremely corrupt in every other way. We are fast losing our "New Deal." It is almost gone. Our purported "free speech" is irrelevant. We have no say in our government. None! They've dragged us into war after war--the war on Iraq, the war on Afghanistan, the "war on drugs"--costing trillions of dollars. They have looted and bankrupted us. And their intentions toward the "little brown people" of the southern part of the hemisphere is to kill them, if they get uppity, and smash their desire for democracy, good government and fairness into dust.

This is the truth of the matter. And it is the biggest, most tragic mistake that Cubans could ever make, to link their hopes for personal betterment, or a better country, to the United States, as a supporter or as a model.

And I'm afraid that anyone who would say that the Miami mafia is "irrelevant" or that the CIA is "irrelevant" is in this category, in my view--tragically mistaken and quite blind.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 06:32 AM
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28. What renders the Miami mafia irrelevant is the fact that they, by and large, are pro-embargo.
Sure they were pissed off to no end when they could only travel to Cuba once every three years, but you didn't get calls from them to unilaterally lift the travel embargo, oh, no, they want their exclusive club. The embargo does several things for the Miami mafia, it gives them a political upper hand, they are, after all, poor exiles who know more about their country than their own country-people. An embargo lift would allow regular American citizens to make that judgment, and they would no longer have this monopoly on Cuban-American relations. An embargo lift would change Cuban travel policy, likewise, because there would no longer be a 'need' for automatic "amnesty" for Cuban citizens in the US, as "political exiles." So you'd have Cubans traveling to the US (as of now they cannot without going through a lot of paperwork that the average citizen cannot do), that would take awhile, but it would happen. The Miami mafia does not want this, at all, period, done. They want to be able to sit back smoking their illegal Cuban cigars.

Now it may sound counterintuitive, that the Miami mafia is irrelevant because they are pro-embargo, because the embargo is still in place. Yes, they have a lot of power over US policy with regards to Cuba, but they have absolutely no power over Cuban policy with regards to the US, but that power is increasingly dwindling. The embargo as it stands now is arguably less than it's been since 1992, if not before then. I believe there is a good opportunity for the embargo to be lifted as soon as this year, if we pressure the US government (in fact, this has reminded me to draft a letter to my congressperson and senator), it is not codified as law, but rather an invocation of the Trading With The Enemy Act, it does not require congressional approval to expire, and in that vein the Miami mafia has a very tenuous grasp on whether or not it remains. The best argument for it to be allowed to expire is the fact that a travel and trade to Cuba ban is http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0309pepper.html">billions of dollars lost, every year.

The bloggers (fyi, the OP is about a blogger) are anti-embargo. Dozens and dozens of http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100610/cb-cuba-us-travel/">Cuban dissidents are anti-embargo. I do not support American-Cubans writing bullshit about Cuba. I stated my position before, it exists because the situation is not black and white, American-Cubans are not representative of Cuba to any credible degree, nor do they have any control over Cuban policy, and it is insulting to all Cubans to imply that they are to worry about the Miami mafia.

1) Cubans will not allow the United States to expropriate their land or their businesses.
2) Cubans will still enjoy free health care, education and other constitutionally mandated remedies.
3) Cubans will still enjoy low rents and affordable housing (as I believe is also constitutionally mandated); the Cuban exiles will want to return to Cuba for this, I bet.
4) Cubans will still have a socialist republic and the PCC will still exist.

The only thing one has to worry about about the Cuban "dissidents" is that there will be an increasing push for the Varela Project proposal, which would not necessarily impact the Candidacy Commissions, which is the primary fear for pushing such a move (Varela simply changes election code so that citizens can elect a candidate in their jurisdiction directly instead of relying upon Candidacy Commissions; this does not render Candidacy Commissions moot, since they can still be used, if the citizens chose to go that route).
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 09:48 AM
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29. I don't think you grasp what billions and billions of dollars can do, quite easily,
to any country's land, free health care, educational system, low rents and affordable housing, sovereignty and self-rule. You don't even have to look at Colombia--where FIVE MILLION peasant farmers have been displaced from their land and trade unionists are routinely murdered--or Honduras, where merely raising the minimum wage, from shit wages to not much more than shit wages, was among the chief reasons that Honduras' democracy was overthrown by the U.S., on behalf of U.S. multinational corporations. You just have to look at the United States, and the insurance corporation-run health care system here, and the ruination of our educational system by "austerity" measures while the banksters pocket billions of our tax dollars, and the mortgage fraud throwing tens of thousands out of their homes, and the ever-increasing homeless diaspora. Constitutions don't mean shit when transglobal corporations determine to rob you blind.

Really, take a good hard look at the United States. This is Cuba's fate, if it identifies with the U.S. as mentor or model. It might take a couple of decades, as it did here--but it is inevitable. Cuba is too small and too weak to withstand it alone. It must work in close alliance with the other leftist governments of the region and form solid barriers to U.S. interference. I am not arguing for the embargo or for any kind of isolation. I am saying that Cubans have not yet seen what 24/7 corporate media propaganda, billions in USAID/NED funds to rightwing groups, billions in filthy lobbying, bribery and buy-off's of the professional class, creation of an elite class of oppressors, introduction of drugs/weapons and prostitution crime gangs, bloated military and police aid packages to foster fascism and militarism, the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs," the "prison-industrial complex," the "military-industrial complex," and all the other U.S. corporate/war profiteer strategies CAN DO to a society--have done to OUR society, have done to U.S. client states and will do to Cuba, if it can.

Laws are no barrier to it. They take over the legal system. The "will of the people" is no barrier to it. They introduce 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines and empower whomever they damn please. Cuba's social benefits will be gone before Cubans even realize what is happening. Our people were induced to sleep through the Reagan era when all of this began. They only began to wake up, in fits and starts, during the Clinton "bubble" (for instance, the Seattle '99 protest). And, by the Bush Junta, it was too late. Our "great society," our "new deal," our democracy are gone. It took thirty years, all told. And that's for a very affluent country, a "super-power," over a huge landscape, with a huge population, with "checks and balances" all over the place--all of which failed--and sterling guarantees in the Constitution--which are all gone--and a long tradition of democracy and social justice struggles and triumphs--all made moot. This kind of corporate and military power simply stomps on Constitutions and human and civil rights. Its goal to strip people of their sovereignty.

And Cuba doesn't have the wealth or the power that once were ours, as a people. I have no doubt that Cubans will resist. They may win some battles--as we once did here, for labor rights and women's rights and black civil rights. But it's my guess that it will take less than a decade to return Cuba to the Dark Ages. Cuba's beautiful beaches will look like Miami and Honolulu--if they even remain accessible to the middle class. They may go to private estates. Certainly the poor will be banned, except as poorly paid servants. This is the supersonic jet of predatory capitalism.

I am all for "the marketplace." I think "markets" are coded somewhere in the human genome. They are a basic human need. But what we are looking at today is not a "marketplace." It is gangsterism writ very large. And it is brutal and overwhelming in the sheer power that it has achieved to drag the United States to ruin, and to bully and brutalize any country it can get a boot into.

I don't think you realize the catastrophe that has happened here--and I haven't even mentioned the larger catastrophe that is looming, because predatory capitalists have absolutely refused to do anything about it--catastrophic climate change, induced by pollution, that may swamp Cuba before Wall Street can even gets its talons in.

Beware, Cuba, is all I'm saying. Beware and look to your compadres in Latin America for the collective strength you will need to maintain your sovereignty. The global corporate predators whom the U.S. has unleashed upon the world do not tolerate uppity little countries writing their own rules. You have only to look at the countries they currently dominate--Jamaica, Haiti, Honduras, Colombia, Mexico, Peru--to see what they are and what they do. And you have only to contemplate what is happening here, in the U.S., to know that these corporate powers have no loyalty to any country or people or to anybody's laws. And the only way that I can see, that you can maintain your power as a sovereign people, is to strongly band together with like-minded countries. Castro has tried to do that, with considerable success. You need to hang onto that very wise policy, even if you hate Castro and long to move on.
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:25 PM
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32. Returning to the Blog war.....
Cuba is run by a dictatorship, considered repressive and abusive of human rights. It's not necessary to have such a repressive regime to avoid falling under US domination. Therefore all of your arguments are somewhat irrelevant. Like I told you in the past, I agree with you quite often. What i can't stomach is the way some people support human rights abuses and the establishment of a nearly fascist oligarchy in power just because it happens to call itself "socialist" or "communist".

Furthermore, Cuba is practically in the Dark Ages right now. They have no freedom of the press.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:52 PM
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35. "the way some people support human rights abuses & the establishment of a nearly fascist oligarchy"
The U.S. obsession with Cuba's impurity is absolutely insane and reminds me of our Puritan "witchburning" heritage, except that the Puritans were sincere in their psychosis. The U.S. oligarchy is an immense bloated human pig, dressed in white tie for its glittering fatcat banquet, with the entrails of children trailing down its bib and necklaces of skulls streaming from its top hat, and its pockets bristling with missiles and 'drones' like so many cigars, as it walks on a red carpet of blood to its magnificent feast. And when it burps, after its dessert, the sound that comes out, which at first you think is "oink, oink," because of what this beast looks like, is actually an attempt at language, and, if you listen real hard, you'll hear something like, "hummin grits incuba." Get closer, hold your nose at the stench and listen well, and you will hear this animal's most heartfelt wish for all mankind, as its slops its head onto the platters of rich desserts and imported cheeses and exotic fruits, amidst the spilled and broken wine glasses. All it wants, all it ever wanted, it weeps in drunken self-pity, is "demicrashy incubus." Finally, you have to give up because this thing is not human. It is the aggregate of all U.S. corporate lies, hypocrisy, murder and mayhem, and it is only mimicking human speech.

The actual rulers of the U.S. no more want human rights and democracy in Cuba than they want them here. But the "little brown people" in the southern climes are even more expendable and more easily discardable than we in the north. Here, they try to maintain some decorum. There, they unleash machetes to carve up the little brown aspirers to democracy and throw their body parts into mass graves (Colombia) or chop off their heads (Honduras) or just shoot them (both places) as "lessons" to the others. The days of the nuns' bodies raped and murdered and thrown in the road, or the bishop shot on his altar, or the socialists dropped out of airplanes, or thousands of other horrors at the hands of U.S.-backed fascists are by no means over. They are happening today, now, in U.S. client states in Latin America. And, believe me, given that opportunity in Cuba, they would wreak a vengeance like no other.

The U.S. "military-industrial complex" was determined to nuke Cuba off the face of the earth in the 1960s, and they probably assassinated JFK because he wouldn't do it--nor nuke Russia--but opened backchannels to Castro and Krushchev instead to negotiate a peace*. That overwhelming desire to be rid of Cuba as an example of independence and social justice is still there. It is perhaps even more fervent today than ever before because Cuba survived and maintained its independence, as the Soviet Union imploded, and, for a long while, was the only example of a truly independent Latin American country. Cubans who delude themselves that there is even the slightest of good intentions toward Cuba or Latin America in Washington DC will lead Cuba right into that awful trap--the death trap that the people of Colombia are in, and the people of Honduras, and the people of Haiti, and, now, the people of Mexico--the U.S. arming of fascist elites to prevent democracy, by any means possible. Human rights will become utterly meaningless--the "oink oink" of the Pig as it pockets $7 BILLION in U.S. military aid for "turkey shoots" of the peasants.

Against this monstrous corporate/war machine, and the horrors that it has inflicted in Latin American and around the world, Cuba's restrictions, such as they are, and minor scale of jailings, are hardly blips on the Big Screen of human rights abuse. They are not okay, of course--in so far as there is any truth to them (and we cannot rely on the notoriously psychotic lies of the U.S. government, the U.S. corporate press and rightwing fanatics on this matter). And this is where your rightwing projection of what I believe is so apparent. Where, in my comment, did I express ANY "support" for "human rights abuses & the establishment of a nearly fascist oligarchy"? I said nothing of the kind. I do not support either thing. But you cannot bear an objective assessment of U.S. vs Cuban human rights conditions, nor of U.S. behavior in the world vs Cuba's behavior in the world, nor of the prospects for human progress and improvement in either place.

While the U.S. sends guns and sodden military 'contractors' to Latin America, Cuba sends doctors. What does that say about the U.S.? What does that say about Cuba? While the U.S. tortures prisoners and holds them for years as "enemy combatants" without benefit of trial, on the other end of the island of Cuba, the Cuban government provides health care, education and a decent life for all, even for prisoners. Its infractions against human rights are a minor matter, compared to this godawful U.S. war machine. And what you cannot stand is any perspective on this matter, so you make me out as supporting "human rights abuses."

Well, obsess all you want to about this. You have plenty of company in U.S. corporate board rooms, and rightwing 'think tanks' and among filthy war profiteer lobbyists and in Langley's basements. But you and other Cubans are living in La-La Land if you think that their intention is democracy. It doesn't exist here any more. It doesn't exist in any U.S. client state. And it won't exist in Cuba--even to the extent that it exists now--once this predatory beast gets entry to Cuba. The U.S. just reintroduced "Baby Doc" to Haiti, with the intention of mayhem and murder, to kill Haitian democracy once again. You don't think they've got some incipient Batista being groomed to do exactly the same thing to Cuba that they've done to Haiti, time and again, and that they did to Cuba before?

I say again, Cubans beware! Strengthen your bonds with your fellow and sister Latin Americans and join with them in the common cause of Latin American sovereignty and collective economic and political progress. That is the way forward. And that is the only way that I can see of controlling the U.S. corporate monster and its Pentagon enforcer--strong, mutually beneficial and supportive, organic alliances among Latin American states.

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(*"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died And Why It Matters," by James Douglass. Highly recommended.)



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:04 PM
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36. Authorities Search and Copy U.S. Journalist’s Notes, Computer and Cameras After Returning from Haiti
Independent journalist Brandon Jourdan recently returned from Haiti after being on assignment documenting the rebuilding of schools in the earthquake-devastated country. However, when he returned to the United States, he was immediately detained after deboarding the plane by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. He was questioned about his travels and had all of his documents, computer, phone and camera flash drives searched and copied. This is the seventh time Jourdan says he has been subjected to lengthy searches in five years, and has been told by officials that he is “on a list.” --Democracy Now

Post by Katty at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x588388

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Haiti = Cuba's nightmare future at U.S. government/corporate hands, if Cubans are not smart about their post-Castro vision and the need for Latin American unity against U.S. domination.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 02:40 PM
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43. Good grief! Thanks for posting that link. It's overwhelmingly unexpected. Wonders never fail. n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 07:57 PM
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45. We should denounce this when any county does this to any journalist.
But if it's countries we're ideologically aligned with, it's their "sovereign right." :puke:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:56 PM
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34. The Miami Mafia's influence has just been renewed in the last election,
with control of the House switching sides, which put the beast "exile" Ileana Ros-Lehtinen in as Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee. You recall she was one of the first idiot right-wingers who galloped to Tegucigalpa immediately after the armed kidnapping of President Manuel Zelaya, and the onset of the brutal regime of the coup managers, followed by continuing brutality and violent suppression of the poor of Honduras. She was one of the first sitting at the arm of ugly, racist little Roberto Micheletti in press conferences, while they took out ALL the radio, tv stations, newspapers which didn't fully support their lies, and conceal the truth.

She's also the one who has publicly called for the assassination of Fidel Castro. She is called the "she wolf" by Cubans in Cuba.

This fine citizen will be steering the foreign affairs legislation. Hideous. She has also been totally immersed in pro-Uribe politics in previous years, making trip after trip to Colombia, along with Lincoln Diaz-Balart, another towering rancid son of Cuban right-wing privilege, his father serving on the cabinet of the vicious bloody puppet dictator, Fulgencio Batista.

Concerning a proven connection between the Cuban "dissidents," there are recordings which were made of Marta Beatriz Roque, and one of her heavy sponsors, Santiago Alvarez, the deviant who owned the boat, Santrina, which smuggled Luis Posada Carriles from a Mexican island to Miami after he was sprung from jail in a sudden pardon by Panamanian President and Bush friend, Mireya Moscoso, the day before she left office and moved immediately to Miami. In those recordings Roque was clearly heard discussing payments from Santiago Alvarez. (Also her secretary of over 10 years testified against her in an earlier trial, herself being an actual employee of the Cuban government who worked as her personal secretary who kept close records of secret bank accounts, and funds being routed through Canada from the U.S. to gnarly, sour Marta behind the world's backs over the span of years. She had numbers of accounts, dates, amounts paid, the whole caboodle on Marta, who is also a leader in the "women in White," so grotesquely named after the Argentinian mothers, grandmothers of real dissidents, or imagined dissidents taken and tortured, and murdered by the fascist military government.)

Here's a reminder of the information we learned about money being channeled to Marta from Santiago Alvararez through the U.S. Interests Section head in Havana. Now THAT is REALLY dirty, and clearly illegal in Cuba in at least several ways:
Cuba: US carried funds to opposition
By WILL WEISSERT – 30 minutes ago

HAVANA (AP) — Cuba on Monday accused America's top diplomat in the country of ferrying funds to dissidents on the island from a man it characterizes as a terrorist.

E-mails and other correspondence suggest U.S. Interests Section chief Michael Parmly was asked to carry cash from Miami to dissidents in Havana, Cuban authorities said. In one e-mail, activist Martha Beatriz Roque urged her nephew in Miami to give "letters" to Parmly. Cuban officials claim the word "letters" was code for cash, but they gave no proof money was involved.

Cuba said the funds came from the Miami-based Fundacion Rescate Juridica, headed by Santiago Alvarez, a Cuban-American businessman once convicted in the U.S. of conspiring to collect military-style weapons to overthrow Cuba's government.

Alvarez is currently serving a 10-month prison term for refusing to testify against Luis Posada Carriles, the alleged mastermind of bombings of a Cuban jetliner and hotels, and of assassination attempts on former President Fidel Castro.

"This reveals the connection between the counterrevolutionaries in Cuba and the terrorists," Cuban Foreign Ministry official Josefina Vidal Ferreira said at a news conference carried live on state television and radio.

She asked U.S. authorities to carry out their own "deep investigations," and said Cuba is "waiting for the government of the United States to take appropriate measures and adhere to international protocol."
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 07:59 PM
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37. The Foreign Affairs Committee is not really powerful, they cannot ratify treaties. John Kerry...
...heads the Committee on Foreign Relations and http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/open-cuba-to-us-travelers/1057098">called for opening Cuba to travelers.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is already considering how best to reform Radio and TV Martí. After 18 years TV Martí still has no significant audience in Cuba. U.S. civil society programs may have noble objectives, but we need to examine whether we're achieving them.

In addition, I am announcing my support for the Freedom to Travel to Cuba Act. Nowhere else in the world are Americans forbidden by their own government to travel. Americans who can get a visa are free to travel to Iran, Iraq, Sudan, and even North Korea. This act does not lift the embargo or normalize relations. It merely stops our government from regulating or prohibiting travel to or from Cuba, except in certain obviously inappropriate circumstances.

Free travel is also good policy inside Cuba. Visiting Europeans and Canadians have already had a significant impact by increasing the flow of information and hard currency to ordinary Cubans. Americans can be even greater catalysts of change.

Studies of change in Eastern and Central Europe find the more outside contact a country has, the more peaceful and durable its democratic transition. That's one reason why all of Cuba's major prodemocracy groups support free travel, as do longtime Castro critics like Freedom House and Human Rights Watch. A majority of Cuban-Americans have joined the rest of the country in supporting travel to Cuba by all American citizens.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 01:59 PM
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41. Well, Jim DeMint (SC-Diebold) seemed to be running U.S. foreign policy on Honduras.
Freshman senator from a state with a 100% non-transparent, corporate-run, 'TRADE SECRET' voting system holding up all of Obama appointments in Latin America to force Obama/Clinton to support the Honduran coup, and then crowing gleefully to the media when he succeeded. Hillary had to scramble to slap some democracy cosmetics on the coup but, basically, Obama and Clinton seemed to have no power in that situation, and most Latin American countries still won't recognize that phony, martial law "election" (which had election monitors like John McCain's "International Republican Institute," because no reputable elections group in the world would touch it).

I've toyed with the theory that the Honduran coup, which occurred only six months into the Obama administration, was designed by the Bush Junta and was possibly intended to sabotage Obama's stated intention to create a new U.S. policy of "peace, respect and cooperation" in Latin America, but I've concluded that Obama/Clinton were equally culpable. For one thing, Brazil's president, Lula da Silva, after bitter experience with them on Honduras, stated, in his last speech as president, this year, that, "The U.S. has not changed." And for another, Clinton has completely ignored the death squad murders of anti-coup activists--teachers, human rights workers, union leaders--innocent, peaceful people--in Honduras. The sad truth is that rightwing and fascist leaders suit the agenda of U.S. multinationals and war profiteers, so the U.S. --whether run by the Bush Junta or by Obama--has, without fail, supported such leaders in Latin America, and has actively opposed the leftist democracy movement.

And, believe me, Honduras is a model that the U.S. government and its corporate/war profiteer puppetmasters would like to see in Cuba and it most certainly would delight the Scumbag Congress, which will be working hard to achieve it: rightwing rule, with a lot of dead leftists in its wake, and with contrived trappings of democracy for P.R. purposes--followed by corporate privatization of all services/benefits, creation of sweatshop and other forms of slave labor, and, in Cuba's case, the ravaging of Cuba's beautiful, pristine beaches for corporate tourism (a la Miami and Honolulu) with parts of them possibly preserved for billionaires' estates. And all this will be accompanied by the re-introduction of "the mob"--gambling, prostitution, hard drugs, illicit trade of every kind--throwing Cuba back all the way to the Batista era.

I'm afraid that this "opening" to Cuba--mild relief on travel restrictions, with a seeming goal of establishing some kind of new relationship between the U.S. and Cuba--is NOT intended to promote democracy. U.S. policy never has and never will promote democracy in Latin America (until we restore democracy here). U.S. policy and Corporate policy are one. And U.S. corporations are NOT pro-democracy. They've gutted our own democracy and replaced it with Corporate Rule. They write our laws. They control our courts. Our allegedly elected leaders are their servants. And they have robbed us utterly (and literally) blind. Total looting expedition with total monopoly control of the media to brainwash the public. Our progressive middle class democracy will never recover.

Cuba needs to LOOK SOUTH to maintain its independence and sovereignty and its progressive social benefits. I certainly want to see the U.S. embargo lifted because it is such an unfair and cruel punishment, but I don't ever want to see U.S. corporations and war profiteers running Cuba the way they run Honduras or Colombia, or the USA. And there is only one way to prevent that, that I can see, and it is with solid alliances with other Latin American countries that also have strong social justice and independence-minded governments.

The unholy alliance between Cuban dissidents, the Miami mafia and the U.S. government--with the latter two hating the leftist democracies in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua (and probably any country where the left has been elected--Guatemala, El Salvador, Brazil, Argentina, etc.)--will militate against the alliances that Cuba needs to maintain or to create, in order to protect its sovereignty from the mega-power of the U.S. government and its corporate rulers. Cuba is very vulnerable being right in the middle of the "circle the wagons" region that the U.S. is determined to control. And its socialist principles, and history of independence, make it a particularly targeted country. Starry-eyed dissidents, who can't see this danger, or the merely greedy, who can't wait to be assistant managers in the corporate hotels, or dream of becoming Bill Gates, may help the ravaging and loss of independence of their own country. That is my fear--that Cubans will some day wake up to the nightmare of corporate rule that Honduras is going through, and Colombia, and Haiti, and a number of other countries including our own.

Costa Rica was once an independent country and is no more. Its leaders colluded on CAFTA. They colluded on Honduras. They invited the U.S. military to conduct massive maneuvers in their demilitarized country. Their once strong trade unions are now being undermined and sabotaged by "lowest common denominator" CAFTA impacts. That is perhaps the best that Cuba could hope for, from status as a U.S. client state. But I think that our Corporate Rulers have something much worse in mind. They first want to break Cuba. They want to see it become Haiti--ravaged, desperate, unable to hold an honest election, a million people starving and homeless, the U.S. in total control--and, once it is broken, then they will re-make it into one of their slave states, with memories of social justice obliterated.

The U.S. banned the majority party in Haiti--Aristide's party, Lavalas--from the ballot. Consequently, SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT of Haitians DIDN'T VOTE in the recent election. That's the kind of power that the U.S. would like to have in Cuba and the kind of thing they WILL do, if they can. Total control. Installation of a rightwing government with less than 25% support. Banning of the majority party. Dangling $9 billion in earthquake aid over the heads of the leaders, with U.S. corporations salivating to get those contracts so they can rake half the money off the top (as they do in Afghanistan) and use the rest to create a corrupt local elite.

That could be Cuba's fate in less than a decade, in my opinion, if Cuba does not strongly ally itself with real democracies, such as Venezuela and Brazil, and continue to organize and promote independent Central American/Caribbean institutions, such as ALBA. Ultimately, I think Central American/ Caribbean countries need to join UNASUR--the South American EU-type structure. They are so vulnerable to U.S. bullying, coercion and aggression, they need a "Big Brother." It could swallow them up, but currently that is very much against UNASUR principles. It has a "raise all boats" philosophy that could benefit Cuba and put Cuba on its feet as an independent, mixed economy democracy. It doesn't have to go through a stage of capitalistic ravaging and THEN try to recover social justice and democracy. There IS an alternative which, in fact, Castro has done something to promote. Cubans need to KEEP that policy and strengthen it.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 02:34 PM
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42. No doubt your "take" on Honduras is accurate. Obama was called a "little black boy"
by one of the coup President Micheletti's cabinet people, and it never seemed to merit a slap on the hands. The complete program set in place long ago, during the Bush regime went off slickly, all things considered, and the extreme hard right minority in Honduras re-seized the reigns in a way they never could have, had they waited until Zelaya's term expired, and the next election was held.

They got ahead of the election, and grabbed power in advance.

They also were unable to turn over their airport to non-military, peaceful purposes, as they've done in Ecuador, even though that had been Zelaya's plan. Another reason they struck first, and hard, in the middle of the night, like the criminals they are. U.S. designs were at stake; no one was going to pull a Correa again, apparently.

It looks so hard, but as we have seen great countries, over time, pull themselves out of the clutches of murderous, monstrous US-supported fascist regimes in the Americas, and turn toward regional integration and a new day, with any luck, no matter how powerful the continuous effort by the militarist/corporate bosses in the U.S., they won't be able to retake power, in the end.

Your writing gives us so much to think about. Truly appreciate it.







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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 07:56 PM
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44. Hard to respond to all of that.
Most of what you wrote is completely random, has nothing to do with my post.

There's no alliance between Cuban dissidents and the Miami mafia, they have different goals, which I established. Boxing them together is like a fascist attempt to discredit good people who only want their voice to be known.

Lavalas was not "banned by the US," they failed to file the proper paperwork, and if it was a right wing led party that had a similar issue I am sure it would be fully justified under the systems in place. Marc Bazin was the the claimed Lavalas party candidate for those elections, and it's likely Lavalas was given a reprieve by the "mistake" in filing (I suspect that they simply did not want to have Marc as their leader and "failed" to file properly on purpose).

It really is amazing how utterly insulting you are of other people and countries and how everyone is effectively controlled by the United States. These countries know the history of US intervention in their politics and they are watchful, very watchful.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 09:01 PM
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46. Correction:
I mistook 2006 for 2010, though I believe Marc Bezin was on the 2010 Lavalas candidates list, it was approved by Aristide, but they wanted him to sign it in person, and he was unable to do so, so the party was disqualified.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 10:22 PM
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47. Why was he unable to do so? And when did they invent the rule that the party head had to sign...
...IN PERSON?

"...it was approved by Aristide, but they wanted him to sign it in person, and he was unable to do so, so the party was disqualified." --your comment (my emphasis)

He was unable to sign it IN PERSON (rather than faxing his signature) because they wouldn't give him a passport! And they invented this rule at the last minute just for Lavalas.

Preval is a U.S. tool, or was. His banning of Lavalas--the majority party in Haiti--from the ballot was a U.S. directive and among the insults that caused Preval to rebel and authorize a passport for Aristide, against U.S. wishes. All of this had been at U.S. orders, using the threat of withholding aid--one of the more godawful things the U.S. has done--as the weapon over Preval. But he is no longer doing U.S. bidding. That is why Aristide is on his way back to Haiti. Preval, in his presidential campaign, had promised the people of Haiti that he would bring Aristide back but he reniged on that promise under U.S. pressure. Now he is making good on it.

Aristide is the rightful president Haiti. He was duly elected and then brutally ousted and removed from the country by the Bush Junta in 2004. Nothing that has happened since then has been valid. He is not only the legal president, he is also, by far, the most popular leader in Haiti and always has been. He was ousted because he would not obey the Bush Junta on social justice issues. Privatization of certain enterprises was supposed to include some of the profits going to Haiti's poor. The U.S. had promised this but they balked at Aristide doing it, and armed a rebel force against him, and he was told by the U.S. embassy chief of staff that he would be killed if he did not resign. That is NOT a valid resignation.

I don't know how Aristide wants to handle this. I am saying that he is still the president, not him. He has not said this. But he will probably--if he wants to do it--call for a new election (which CEPR has recommended). He would be elected overwhelmingly. He is going to have one helluva diplomatic problem dealing with the U.S. which, in his absence, has run Haiti like a fiefdom. The U.S. doesn't want him there. And their scumbag move of arranging the heinous dictator "Baby Doc"s" return from exile in France says everything that needs to be said about the U.S. They hope to do the same goddamn thing they did to him before!

Aristide may not want to be president. And I could hardly blame him for that. But he is really the only leader who can pull that ravaged country together and put it on a healing road.

---------------

You don't think the U.S. intends to dominate and ravage Cuba the same way they are dominating and ravaging Haiti, Honduras, Colombia, Mexico and any other country they have a boot on the neck of? They've been doing this for half a century. It is not new. And Lula da Silva was right--"The U.S. has not changed."

Anyone who has illusions about what the U.S. would do to Cuba, if it can, needs to contemplate Haiti. It is a U.S. government's most telling creation.
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51. I fucking love this pic:


Going to make a general "Cuba blogger" thread but I want it to be balanced and it's not ready yet.

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