This is why Biden supporters need to be positive about their candidate

[Debi]

and not negative about other candidates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=207887

PLEASE keep up the reputation you all have earned around DU for being polite and positive and welcoming to anyone who wants to learn about Joe Biden. x(

[malta blue]

1. I hear ya Debi but I must admit the haters are making

my blood boil these days....no wonder I am a lounge lizard :hi:

[Debi]

2. Steve had some great posts and was hard-core in Biden research

but when he got down and dirty w/the jerks out there in GD-P it didn't help Biden's cause.

I haven't been in the Lounge for so long, I need to head over there to get some good old fashioned Lounge Lovin :P

[PatSeg]

3. Sometimes it is hard to keep our cool

but I know from experience it isn't helpful to engage in negative discussions about any of our candidates. There will be negative comments about all the candidates at one time or other. It is best to focus on the positive and know that as Biden gains more recognition, there will be more attacks.

[gateley]

5. Totally agree, but sometimes it just feels SO DAMN GOOD to let it

rip! :evilgrin:

We'll just have to ask ourselves: What Would Joe Do? :7

[PatSeg]

10. I believe in "killing 'em with kindness" or just ignoring them

They HATE being ignored, but generally they'll move on to another thread to start mischief. Some people thrive on confrontation, but I don't. I like a good debate though.

[Debi]

7. Yep, I know it. But I don't want to see any of the Bidenites TSd

I don't know that Steve deserved to go (he might have jumped the shark on the Anita Hill comments) but if that is what it takes to get booted by DU Admins then we all need to be on our best behavior. :7

[mrigirl]

13. Hi Guys- What Happened? Did Steve get booted?

[gateley]

4. Always good to remember. And I've heard that it will be heating up

as time goes on. Gulp. Thanks for the reminder. :headbang:

[Debi]

6. There has to be a reason for the heated negative attacks on Biden

Why? 4% in the recent Iowa Poll? 1-2% in national polls?

It's either his organization in Iowa is stronger than the polls are showing (and maybe in NH/SC?) - his Iraq work is making the other candidates non-plan plans looking like they are non-plan plans - his continued introduction (and passing) of meaningful legislation WHILE running for President is making his fellow members of the U.S. Congress looking like they can't do both - or Lord knows what :shrug:

When I see negative comments I look at two things - the avatar/sig line of the writer and their bio info. Strange how many negative comments are coming from folks in NY/NM/NC/IL :wow: Wonder why? I don't.

Keep up the positive work, I really do enjoy the Bidenites!

[PatSeg]

8. The extremely negative and the extremely positive tend to

comment the most. There a lots of people in the middle, quietly looking on.

As for polls, there was a thread earlier about it and I commented that most people today don't answer their phones at home, many don't even have landline phones, and younger people only use their cell phones. The polls are not an accurate cross-section of our society anymore.

THEN there are the many, many people who haven't decided. We don't know which direction they'll go.

[PatSeg]

21. I just noticed this in your post

"Strange how many negative comments are coming from folks in NY/NM/NC/IL :wow: Wonder why? I don't."

NY-Hillary, NM-Richardson, IL-Obama - don't know why NC though. Just a strange coincidence.

[Debi]

29. Edwards n/t

[PatSeg]

38. Duh!

How could I miss that one????

Thanks.

[Froward69]

33. NC North Carolina

Edwards= NC

[PatSeg]

9. So I guess we all have to be committed to

turning the other cheek. We all know what some of these people are like and they'll push our buttons just to get a rise out of us. I want to maintain our reputation as being the "good guys" here. Its good for us and its good for Joe.

[jillan]

11. No - I am mad. The only time I ever used alert was when someone called Biden

a f*cker. And they didn't even delete the message.
Rinsd started a thread today to bash Steve. That's okay??
We can start threads now to bash someone because you don't agree with them?

It was a heated debate today - yes. But alot of lies are being told about Biden and the Thomas hearings.
Biden was interviewed about the hearings in '91. About 1 year later Anita Hill's attorney commented on everything Biden said.
And that is the link they keep giving me. It would have been different if this attorney and Biden were debating what had happened. But no - this attorney took everything Biden said and twisted it around. I am glad that Steve stood up for Biden today.
Yes he got a little loopy - but he did not deserve to be banned.

I am done being nice. And I am sick of how a certain group of DUers can always cross the line around here, while others can't.

This is the link to Anita Hill's attorney's article
http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1602/Graves/Graves.html

and this is the link to the thread rinsd started just to bash Steve
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3578465&mesg_id=3578465

[Debi]

12. What's gained by being as dirty as the dirty players?

Ask yourself WWJD (What Would Joe Do?)

[jillan]

14. Biden speaks out for what he believes in. He is one of two candidates

that show any passion. He doesn't pander. And he doesn't let people walk all over him.

[Debi]

30. I'm not arguing with you - I agree with you

But Senator Biden would not shine the light on the negative about his opponent (or personally attack his opponent) just to make a point. He would reiterate the positive about himself or the issue. Personal attacks or negative attacks will not win Biden support or converts.

I think the reason that the person who called Biden a crude name didn't get the boot is because they just called him a crude name. I think Steve saw the tombstone b/c he not only got down and dirty (and personal) with other posters but started posting comments that were unfounded, inflammatory and derogatory about Anita Hill. I think that posts calling HC or BO a f*&%er wouldn't get deleted, but posts using racial slurs or gender slurs would. It's a grey area.

:shrug:

[PatSeg]

15. If we feed these threads, we keep them up front

and people will be exposed to all the negatives. Sadly people tend to be attracted to the negative rather than the positive and having people like this repeating the "crap" over and over again will cause it to become the dominant belief.

I don't know why Rinsd is off on a rant, though I think he took a dislike to Steve and can't let it go.

I'm bookmarking Steve's locked thread and I'm going to keep an eye on some of bashers. Every time some one blatantly slanders Biden, I'll click "alert", but I'm not going to get down in the mud with them.

What a strange day. Is there a full moon?

[Debi]

31. Nobody cares WHO is saying the negative stuff that gets passed the mods

just that it's juicy and negative. I'd rather see the negative threads dropped into the black hole of the second page and the positive threads about Biden bumped up to the top of page one.

If you truly desire to respond, just PM the offender. That way the thread goes away AND you get your point of your support of Biden across.

[PatSeg]

40. Good point

If someone questions something in a reasonable tone, then that deserves an answer, but if they're just attacking for the sake of attacking, it should be ignored. I've seen reasonable answers to some of these accusations and they just keep pounding away. Pointless waste of time.

[mrigirl]

16. I can't believe they kicked Steve off! I'm very angry!

You know I'm beginning to wonder if there are certain individuals at/on DU that don't want any noise about Biden. Because he's a threat. Look what happened to our buddy Like It Is- he was posting quite frequently as Steve w/ great threads about Biden and then WHAM- got kicked right out for calling someone a troll no less. I think there are some powerful people here on DU that don't want Biden's popularity on DU to rise. My theory anyways. That's why I don't start threads. Steve was great. this sucks!

[jillan]

17. I totally agree and I have thought that for sometime now.

I cannot believe that it was okay for someone to call Biden a F*

I bet if I went out there and called Obama an F* my post would get deleted.

[mrigirl]

18. ohmigod! Not only would they delete your post- they'd call you a racist.

Pirhana dear- you better be careful. You could be next. You start alot of threads on Joe- all good but - just be careful.

[mrigirl]

19. I just can't believe what happened today. Steve though

had a way of making people pretty po'd though. What's with these men- our Biden guys? Is and Steve? none of us chicks make people quite that angry! Are we treated differently cuz we're women??

[PatSeg]

25. No

We're nicer and more civilized! I've encountered some confrontational women here, but the biggest trouble usually comes from some of the guys.

[jillan]

20. I will :)

[PatSeg]

26. How can anyone get mad at the cute little fish???

[PatSeg]

24. Probably

He is the messiah, don't ya' know?

[jillan]

35. haha - How could I forget :)

[PatSeg]

22. I don't think it is Biden

There are certain personalities here who've been around forever and if they take a dislike to another DU'er, they tend to go after them. Being they are old-timers, they seem to feel they can do or say anything without repercussions.

I noticed that sometimes Steve went after the "poster" rather than just the "issue" and they turned around and went for the jugular. I didn't see any blatant insults, but it was escalating. Of course I got there after a number of posts were deleted, so I don't know what else was said.

[PatSeg]

23. I've started a lot of threads and I don't feel threatened

I saw it more as personality conflicts, especially among the "guys" and many of them like a good fight.

I do think there are a handful of people here who inherently dislike Biden, but I've seen that attitude towards other candidates as well.

Steve did start some great threads, but I don't think the threads were the problem. It was allowing the attacks to escalate and become sometimes personal. If you don't feed the provocateurs, they'll move along to another thread.

[murbley40]

27. Bidenites:

There have been a few comments like"what has happened to DU" or Is this still Du?
I think that The Bidenites have for the most part changed the atmosphere on DU and there are those who prefer a down and dirty fight as opposed to civilty. Those people have a nose for who they can push over the line and seek them out. We will miss Steve's posts, he obviously had more time than most of us to post and really did a good job of that. I admit I have to watch it because I have little patience with just plain ignorance and nastiness. Let's do our best to keep our "nice" rep.

[PatSeg]

28. Our civility is our strength

People aren't going to listen to what we are saying if we engage in the nasty bickering. I am all for maintaining our image of being the "nice guys". There will always be people who enjoy the fight. They are the ones to ignore and keep posting positive things.

[gateley]

37. It'll be easy to keep our "nice" rep --

We're actually nice, and confident in Joe's qualifications and message that more and more will awaken to the truth! We're not threatened by other candidates because we absolutely know in our hearts Biden is the best -- no need to attack.

A toast to us!

:toast:

[PatSeg]

39. Very nice and reasonable

I'm not some blind supporter. I can accept any flaws without being in denial. I'm not gullible and I've looked at all the candidates with an open mind, expect maybe Hillary, who I'd already decided some time ago does not represent me anymore.

[ellacott]

32. Aw Man, I didn't know Steve got banned

I disagreed with him regarding Anita Hill but I didn't take it personal. We both stated our opinions and we left it at that.

It is very unfair to ban him when there are many who are always rude and insulting.

I've found myself involved in a few posts that have gotten pretty heated. My main issue is the hateful things that are said about the candidates and the personal insults.

Steve was no where close to some of flame throwers on this board.

[jillan]

34. I always try to fight with facts rather than emotions.

The 2 Bidenites that got banned both fought by using their emotions. In Steve's case, he used a combination.
Maybe that is the key - keep it to facts to prove them wrong.

I did that yesterday with an Edwards supporter that was bashing Biden for his vote on the bankruptcy bill.
I showed her the link where Edwards had also voted for it. She found another reason to bash Biden :crazy: but at least there will be one less DUer giving Biden crap about voting for that bill.

I'm just going to walk away when I get to the point where I am getting emotionally pulled in to the conversation and when I know the Pirhana is starting to emerge. I have done it before and will have to remind myself to do it again.

I totally agree with tsegat about how it is better to let the negative threads fade away. I *think* there are 5 people that constantly bash Biden. Maybe we should just be aware of who they are. And unless we can prove them wrong with facts, just leave them alone. It's a waste of time arguing with them anyway.

Was it Murbley yesterday that responded to a DUer that was listing off reasons why they wouldn't vote for Biden by saying "Then don't vote for him". That was one of the best responses of the day :)

[PatSeg]

41. I saw that

Great answer! Hey, not everyone is going to support our choice. Let them promote their own and go their happy (or disgruntled) way.

That should be our pat answer - "Then don't vote for him." We could even throw in a smiley face!

[jillan]

36. Check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3582432

I started a thread about Biden

Look at the first response. I did not do that.
Maybe we got our point across? And someone is looking out for us?

[PatSeg]

42. Hmmm

Cool!