if you're unhappy about tsa rules, why not petition for a rule-making?

[struggle4progress]

it's basic regulatory stuff: anybody can be a blowhard, but if you want a change in the regulations, take a bit of time and write to the agency to ask for the change you want

[jberryhill]

1. Because it is boring /nt

[struggle4progress]

11. +

[RandomThoughts]

2. I post here on the assumption that people read it.

If they don't then it is to establish a just recompense on those that censor.

It would be funny if years of explaining thoughts on existence was not read, and a heavy price for some to pay if they kept it from being read, so maybe it is a form of setting an action.

The nice thing is even if one person was responsible for censorship, the entire ideologies, and all that follow them can be held to account, that is also how anyone that made money from the same worse ideas that led to smears can be held to pay me what is due.

Side note, I am still due beer and travel money and many experiences.

[CreekDog]

3. is the comment period open?

was there an actual rulemaking with comment period for these latest procedures?

[struggle4progress]

7. Look through the appropriate volume of 49 CFR

[CreekDog]

14. Wrong...there's no comment period in CFR publications, active comment periods would be in Fed. Reg.

nevermind that the average person is not going to know what the heck you are talking about.

[struggle4progress]

17. Um ... I suggested petitioning for rule-making. In response, you incoherently asked whether

the comment period was open. That is a senseless response, because obviously there is no comment period on a suggestion to submit a petition for rulemaking: if such petition were submitted and produced a proposed rule, there would be a comment period on the proposed rule

Rather than muck about with your first senseless question, I ignored it; I then addressed how you can find a precise answer to your second question "Was there an actual rulemaking with comment period for these latest procedures?" The answer is, you can find the Federal Register citations for rules in the Code of Federal Regulations by reading the CFR closely enough. I'll try it again more slowly: Go look at 49 CFR. Find the rule. Read the section carefully. Note the FR citations

[CreekDog]

20. Why is asking about a comment period a bad question?

and why is telling me to go look in the CFR in response to a comment period question a good answer?

it's not.

so there's no comment period because there's no rule. obviously that avenue is shut down --you could have just said that.

no wonder it's a struggle for progress.

[struggle4progress]

22. What we have here is a failure to communicate.

[CreekDog]

25. yes you do

:rofl:

[TexasObserver]

4. Because petitions do not work

[struggle4progress]

8. In comparison to what? Noisy anonymous internet outrage?

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[jberryhill]

15. +1

[TexasObserver]

26. I don't think you should disparage the original post like that.

As I said, petitions are a waste of time, but no reason to treat the OP as less than adequate.

[notesdev]

5. Can you show where someone has successfully done this in the past?

because I'm pretty sure any discretionary rule-making at the federal level, especially with regards to security, is not made based on citizen opinion. That's how it got this far in the first place.

[readmoreoften]

6. +1

Let's be serious now.

[struggle4progress]

9. Your question strongly suggests you've never looked at an issue of the FR

[notesdev]

16. Let's say I haven't

Do you have an answer to my question anyway?

[struggle4progress]

18. My suggestion is that you might want to familiarize yourself a bit with Federal rulemaking before

expressing sweeping opinions about it

[notesdev]

19. It's just that

past experience with contacting public officials indicates that they will freely ignore public comment regardless of how many there are.

So I was wondering if you knew of an actual time when a regular non-politically-connected average Joe US citizen made an appeal to change a federal rule, and it actually got changed?

Do you actually know of any time this has happened? Or is this simply theoretical?

[Individualist]

10. +1

[Robb]

12. Outside of environmental issues, I doubt many here have considered rulemaking.

But you're right, of course. A rule is a rule.

[WestSeattle2]

21. I think letters to senators would be more helpful. n/t

[Odin2005]

23. You are naive if the PTB give a shit what us "little people" think.

[Rex]

24. Why so they can come to your house and cavity search you?

How do normal people buy into such fascist ways, is a mystery to me. All this proves OBL really did win and we lost...our civil liberties.