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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:06 PM
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How Britain's new welfare state was born in the USA
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/nov/07/britain-welfare-state-born-usa



The gathering was small and discreet and made no headlines at the time – but its significance for the future of our welfare state and for David Cameron's vision of a "big society" will become clear this week.

It was on a warm day in June that Professor Lawrence Mead, who inspired many of the US welfare reforms of the 1990s, strode into 10 Downing Street. The American guru had been invited by Steve Hilton, Cameron's chief strategist. Also present were senior Whitehall officials from the Treasury and other government departments. They were joined by Neil O'Brien, director of the rightwing thinktank Policy Exchange.

Mead was immediately struck by how eager the assembled team was to hear his ideas. "I was surprised how interested they were," he said.

Under detailed questioning, he told his inquisitors that attitudes to welfare in Britain had been characterised by a culture of "entitlement" for too long. The jobless knew they could get benefits while doing nothing in return, he warned.

In the US, attitudes had apparently moved on long ago and it was high time the UK followed suit. Welfare should no longer be seen as a "lifestyle" option. "Serious reform means ending entitlement by clearly imposing work as a requirement for aid," said Mead – and his words struck a chord. Even the disabled should be expected to work. In some cases benefits could be time-limited to help shunt people into jobs, he suggested.



More at link.


How's that working out for us? I don't know why they would want to emulate this, seriously.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:08 AM
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1. So where are the jobs that people are supposed to get?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:17 AM
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2. Not there.
I think they are as bad off as we are.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/149478.html

UK job growth lowest in 10 months



Permanent job appointments reached a record low growth rate in 10 months in August, giving rise to further questioning over the prospect of employment in the UK.


A study by the Recruitment and Employment Confederation (Rec) found that the permanent recruitments index dropped from 54.6 in September to 52.6 in October with the government's austerity plans suggested as the discouraging factor for employers to increase their personnel.

The index was nevertheless over 50 that is the bottom threshold indicating growth.

The temporary employments had also their slowest growth rate in the 10 months since October 2009 as pay rises continued to slow.

"Growth is rapidly slowing as public sector job freezes start to bite," the Rec said.

The report, however, said that employers have not yet lowered their demand for workers with certain job skills including chefs, nurses and engineers due to scarcity of skilled manpower.

"Many public sector organisations have now started redundancy programmes or at least imposed hiring freezes and at the moment the private sector is not creating new jobs in sufficient numbers to offset this," said Bernard Brown, a partner at accountants KPMG who sponsor the survey.




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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 03:59 AM
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10. By their own figures
There are five unemployed to every vacancy. Once you toss out the "vacancies" that really aren't jobs (i.e. commission only, zero hours, part-time or less, etc), it's more like eight to ten jobless for each job opening.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:46 AM
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4. they're not really supposed to get jobs. they're just supposed to go live in an alley out of sight.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 06:08 AM
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6. I agree, except for the "live" part.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:50 AM
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5. In Cameron's cloud-cuckoo land.
Very Tory attitude: poverty and unemployment would never happen if all those naughty and (to use their favourite word) 'feckless' people didn't CHOOSE to be poor and unemployed!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:38 AM
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3. Evil never sleeps
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 04:40 AM by Prophet 451
I'm afraid that, seeing this in isolation, you aren't getting the full picture. What's going on here in the UK is the Coalition of Tories and used-to-be-Liberals (who, it has become clear, have no voice whatsoever in the coalition), taking an axe to the welfare state. To start with, after being unemployed for a year, your Housing Benefit now drops by 10%, forcing many to make the choice between having somewhere to live and eating. Those on ESA (sickness benefit) are assessed into three categories (fit for work, partially fit and unfit) by a notoriously corrupt company who think the "unfit" category doesn't exist. Well, now the "partially fit" category will have a one year time limit. If you're still sick after a year but not able to get classed as "unfit" (by the already legendarily corrupt and unfair tests), tough shit, you're now considered fit for work regardless. The "mandatory work activity" mentioned here will, according to the BBC, be manual labour (regardless of your skills or fitness). In other words, the workhouse.

Additionally, the coalition are planning on replacing all the existing welfare benefits with a "universal credit". I will bet you my life (LITERALLY) that the universal credit will be significantly less than the benefits it replaces. The child tax credit removed in such a way as to benefit the rich. Retirement age removed entirely. Oh, and in the middle of cutting welfare to shreds, they're going to fire half-a-million civil servants.

The UK didn't need austerity. We didn't actually have a debt problem, we just had a lot of scaremongering about one. But the Coalition are using the scare to do what they were hellbent on doing anyway: Destroying the social safety net. Austerity is going to cut us into a double-dip recession but this isn't about austerity. This is social cleansing. Remember Alan Grayson's riff about the Republican's healthcare plan? Same thing. The Tory plan for the economy is work until you drop, find another job instantly if you lose that one and if you can't, die quickly. Understand, there's no real percentage of people choosing to claim benefits because they don't want to work. Even by the Coalition's own figures, those voluntarily choosing to live off teh state are a tiny, tiny number. But those few make really useful tools for demonising the poor, unemployed and sick.

This particular measure might look reasonable (if you get a kick out of the idea of people being forced to do full-time manual labour for fifty quid a week) but when the full picture becomes clear, it's obvious that this is a full-blown attempt to gradually roll Britain back to the days of Dickens where you starved in the street if you couldn't find a job. It's an outright attack on the poor, the unemployed and the sick, class warfare on behalf of the rich (raising taxes wasn't even mentioned as a solution, it's been all but declared blasphemy), social cleansing.

I have serious mental problems. I can't work. I'm considered a danger to myself and everyone around me if I try. Without the disability benefits I receive, I will die, it's that simple. Cameron is proving to be even worse than Thatcher for the traditional "kill the poor" Tory attitude but they don't have the guts to outright euthanise us (although a fair number of the populace would applaud that and most days, I'd welcome it). Instead, they're gradually making teh safety net smaller and smaller, ensuring that fewer and fewer people meet more and more restrictive requirements. All part of the plan. Remove the safety net by degrees, create a populace so desperate and hopeless that they'll work themselves to death for pennies an hour on behalf of their "betters". Social cleansing.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 11:27 AM
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7. Prophet 451, thank you for that incredibly valuable overview.
Your situation terrifies me, and I am sorry you are facing this.


The UK didn't need austerity. We didn't actually have a debt problem, we just had a lot of scaremongering about one. But the Coalition are using the scare to do what they were hellbent on doing anyway: Destroying the social safety net. Austerity is going to cut us into a double-dip recession but this isn't about austerity. This is social cleansing. Remember Alan Grayson's riff about the Republican's healthcare plan? Same thing. The Tory plan for the economy is work until you drop, find another job instantly if you lose that one and if you can't, die quickly. Understand, there's no real percentage of people choosing to claim benefits because they don't want to work. Even by the Coalition's own figures, those voluntarily choosing to live off teh state are a tiny, tiny number. But those few make really useful tools for demonising the poor, unemployed and sick.



This confirms what I suspected. There is similar scaremongering going on here about Social Security. Both of our countries have embarked on a dangerous plan of neoliberal reforms. Our only hope is to all keep talking to each other and band together to stop the bastards.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 03:57 AM
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9. It terrifies me too
I already spend much of my time battling suicidal tendancies and terrified that my next assessment is going to ignore the evidence and declare me fit for work (which happens so often, it isn't even funny. More than half the decisions are overturned on appeal). This pogrom against the unemployed and sick scares the bejesus out of me and it's all to "solve" a problem that doesn't really exist.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:09 PM
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8. K&Rnt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 04:37 AM
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11. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours n/t
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