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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:36 AM
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How Poppy's Pals Broke the Banks
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 08:50 AM by Octafish


I met a professional historian the other day who had not heard this story:



How Bush (senior)'s Pals Broke the Banks

by Jonathan Kwitny
Village Voice, October 20, 1992, pp. 24 ff.

There's a lot that Americans haven't been told about George Bush and the savings-and-loan catastrophe--mainly that Bush's friends, his son Neil, and their social circle caused a major portion of the damage, and that the president, by his continued loyalty to these people, bears some responsibility himself.

In Houston and Denver, the president, his son, and White House chief of staff James Baker were surrounded socially and financially by the biggest feeders at the national taxpayers' trough. A repeated pattern appears in which investigations were called off, proposed fraud charges weren't brought, and President Bush continued to pal around with investigative targets who got off scot-free. . . .

Hundreds of millions of dollars in questionable loans ended up enriching the friends of George Bush, the CIA, and favorite Republican causes, among them the contras, and Jonas Savimbi's war in Angola.

SNIP...

Of the five biggest S&L defaulters ($200 million each), four have connections to George Bush's longtime friend Walter Mischer (also a friend of Chief of Staff Jim Baker), or to Neil Bush's friend and mentor, Bill Walters.

Bush's friend and former Houston landlord, Joe Russo, defaulted on loans totaling tens of millions of dollars from five failed S&Ls, and his own bank went bust at taxpayers' expense. Texas examiners filed two criminal referrals with the Justice Department, which took no action. . . .

CONTINUED...

http://www.campaignwatch.org/refs3.htm



Perhaps it's information overload, but I wonder what else is getting left out of the curriculum, let alone GOOGLE?

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:45 AM
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1. As always, follow the money
your link doesn't work....
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:50 AM
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2. Rats! Thanks. Fixed...
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:06 AM
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5. Thanks..
this will be some interesting reading at lunch!
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countrydad58 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:50 AM
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3. Mummy
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 08:51 AM by countrydad58
So sick of seeing this old mummy (Poppy) & his witch at every Texas sporting event. It turns my stomach!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:07 AM
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7. Nudge nudge! Wink wink! Nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse.
Say no more, Sport. Say. No. More.



Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One

You can say all you want, countrydad58. It's how we learn.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:57 AM
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4. The Bush family and the S&L Scandal
Grab the gusto, somebody once may've said.





The Bush family and the S&L Scandal

RationalRevolution.net

EXCERPT...

There are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush family but also many other politicians that are still in office and still part of the Bush Jr. administration today. Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this is about one quarter of our national debt).

Between 1981 and 1989, when George Bush finally announced that there was a Savings and Loan Crisis to the world, the Reagan/Bush administration worked to cover up Savings and Loan problems by reducing the number and depth of examinations required of S&Ls as well as attacking political opponents who were sounding early alarms about the S&L industry. Industry insiders were aware of significant S&L problems as early 1986 that they felt would require a bailout. This information was kept from the media until after Bush had won the 1988 elections.

Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at $500,000, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars.

Neil Bush was the most widely targeted member of the Bush family by the press in the S&L scandal. Neil became director of Silverado Savings and Loan at the age of 30 in 1985. Three years later the institution was belly up at a cost of $1.6 billion to tax payers to bail out.

The basic actions of Neil Bush in the S&L scandal are as follows:
    Neil received a $100,000 "loan" from Ken Good, of Good International, with no obligation to pay any of the money back.

    Good was a large shareholder in JNB Explorations, Neil Bush's oil-exploration company.

    Neil failed to disclose this conflict-of-interest when loans were given to Good from Silverado, because the money was to be used in joint venture with his own JNB. This was in essence giving himself a loan from Silverado through a third party.

    Neil then helped Silverado S&L approve Good International for a $900,000 line of credit.

    Good defaulted on a total $32 million in loans from Silverado.

    During this time Neil Bush did not disclose that $3 million of the $32 million that Good was defaulting on was actually for investment in JNB, his own company.

    Good subsequently raised Bush's JNB salary from $75,000 to $125,000 and granted him a $22,500 bonus.

    Neil Bush maintained that he did not see how this constituted a conflict of interest.

    Neil approved $106 million in Silverado loans to another JNB investor, Bill Walters.

    Neil also never formally disclosed his relationship with Walters and Walters also defaulted on his loans, all $106 million of them.

Neil Bush was charged with criminal wrongdoing in the case and ended up paying $50,000 to settle out of court. The chief of Silverado S&L was sentenced to 3.5 years in jail for pleading guilty to $8.7 million in theft. (Keep in mind that you can get more jail time for holding up a gas station for $50.)

Today Neil Bush is working on closing a deal in Florida, where his brother Jeb is governor, to sell a software package to schools with his startup company Ignite.

CONTINUED...

http://rationalrevolution.net/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm



Forgetting or never knowing -- it doesn't matter when it comes to history repeating and corruption continuing.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:06 AM
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6. How soon they forget.
Too bad there isn't a TV special about this, now that so many people have been caught up in the present bank scandal and could understand more easily.

They are masters at the con/shill game.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:15 AM
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8. Organized Crime, The CIA and the Savings and Loan Scandal
Pete Brewton covered this thing, but he's been put to pasture by Corporate McPravda.



Organized Crime, The CIA and the Savings and Loan Scandal

Third World Traveler
Internet article

The savings and loan scandal of the 1980s has been depicted in a myriad of ways. To some, it is "the greatest ... scandal in American history" (Thomas, 1991: 30). To others it is the single greatest case of fraud in the history of crime (Seattle Times, June 11, 1991). Some analysts see it as the natural result of the ethos of greed promulgated by the Reagan administration (Simon and Eitzen, 1993: 50). And to some it was a premeditated conspiracy to move covert funds out of the country for use by the U.S. Intelligence Agency (Bainerman, 1992: 275). All of these depictions of the S & L scandal contain elements of truth. But to a large degree, the savings and loan scandal was simply business as usual. What was unusual about it was not that it happened, or who was involved, but that it was so blatant and coarse a criminal act that exposure became inevitable. But with its exposure, three basic but usually ignored "truths" about organized crime were once again demonstrated with startlingly clarity:

There is precious little difference between those people who society designates as respectable and law abiding and those people society castigates as hoodlums and thugs.

The world of corporate finance and corporate capital is as criminogenic and probably more criminogenic than any poverty-wracked slum neighborhood.

The distinctions drawn between business, politics, and organized crime are at best artificial and in reality irrelevant. Rather than being dysfunctions, corporate crime, white-collar crime, organized crime, and political corruption are mainstays of American political-economic life.

It is not our intent to discuss the unethical and even illegal business practices of the failed savings and loans and their governmental collaborators. The outlandish salaries paid by S & L executives to themselves, the subsidies to the thrifts from Congress which rewarded incompetence and fraud, the land "flips" which resulted in real estate being sold back and forth in an endless "kiting" scheme, and the political manipulation designed to delay the scandal until after the 1988 presidential elections are all immensely interesting and important. But they are subjects for others' inquiries. Our interest is in the savings and loans as living, breathing organisms that fused criminal corporations, organized crime, and the CIA into a single entity that served the interests of the political and economic elite in America. Let us begin by quickly summarizing the most blatant examples of collaboration between financial institutions, the mob, and the intelligence community.

First National Bank of Maryland: For two years, 1983-1985, the First National Bank of Maryland was used by Associated Traders, a CIA proprietary company, to make payments for covert operations. Associated traders used its accounts at First National to supply $23 million in arms for covert operations in Afghanistan, Angola, Chad, and Nicaragua (Bainerman, 1992; 276-277; Covert Action 35, 1990).

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/S%26L_Scandal_CIA.html



When PBS ran a Frontline on the October Surprise, they went all-out to destroy Robert Parry.

They've done similar "jobs" on reporters who went after the S&L story.

That's why I appreciate that you care, Frustratedlady.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 04:17 PM
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25. God... How many years have we been documenting these crimes?
I've almost given up in the last two years after doing it for 6.
I think we have enough evidence to indict ..........LOL
...... Now we know......

The Savings and Loan scandals WAS NEVER EXPLAINED TO THE PUBLIC BY THE MEDIA TO THE PUBLIC.
That's when I first smelled a RAT and found out Bush was involved.

Like his Father....and his father's farther....... Traitors and Crooks.


I appreciate your continued vigilance my health doesn't permit me to do that
it gets my blood pressure up and then I see SHIT posted on DU
by DUers that even question the Bin Laden family connection to the BCF
when it was revealed in F-911 by Moore.

Don't know why I'm posting except to express my frustration on the travesty of justice
and the time i may have left to see it come to bear.

Thanks Octafish for your continued posts and battles you do to reveal the truth
NO MATTER WHEAT THAT MIRROR OR PAINTING REVEALS. ABOUT THIS NATION.


I think sometimes that the US is just a picture of Dorian Gray.


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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:17 AM
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9. That's one problem. The search engine google deletes any
really negative searches about the Bushes and republicans. You can google and not find any mention of the Margie Scholenburger or how ever you spell her last name.

But there was a link at one time - and I saw it in the Texass Civil Suits. She sued George W. Bush for sexual harassment and stalking. And the funny thing was three weeks after four secret service type guys broke in, broke in mind you and beat her husband up. She was told to drop the suit or the next time it would be her. Well she ended up "committing suicide" the gun disappeared. And way back when she and George W went to school together he had taken her out a couple of times. She got pregnant, didn't say who the dad was, got beaten up, had a miscarriage and moved away from Texass. She only came back 25 or so years later and this is what happened. And also try to find the article about Bush and the call girl. Who got pregnant and Bush paid for an abortion - back when they were illegal. I mean he doesn't believe in abortions except when they effect him.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:11 AM
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13. That's another reason why DU's so important. It keeps the Truth alive...
...The Way Back Machine now has a "Spider Block" function to help keep things in the dark for those who cannot afford to pay LexisNexis for the privilege of the truth.
Speaking of the dark:



From:

The Praetorian guard: the U.S. role in the new world order

By John Stockwell

EXCERPT...

There is another reason behind Bush's popular, decisive response in the Middle East. He, and the U.S. interests he represents, urgently need a war. As former CIA Director, as formver Vice-President, and as the father of Neil Bush who was part of the Silverado S & L scandal, Bush is deeply involved in the Savings & Loan crisis. He stands in line to receive the blame for the economic mess that currently threatens U.S. economic power after a decade of massive over-spending.

CONTINUED...

http://books.google.com/books?id=lmv5QjZt1kMC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=john-stockwell+cia+bush+s%26l&source=bl&ots=6c7UJWy4q4&sig=xDryRpzEELwDlAi3Ax-cNY9XGCI&hl=en&ei=Vz_ITPqjC8LsnQf8mcSHAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false



In addition to making a grand diversion, war on Iraq was good for business.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:30 PM
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29. Not true in the case of Margie Schoedinger (correct spelling). I call this a bullshit
response & search based on your own faulty spelling of the name. If you spell her name correctly you get a ton of pages with links to articles and reports about her. So in this case, the accusation is bullshit. I just did it and clicked randomly on pages up to 10 (there were many more after 10)....they were mostly only referring to the MS you just said had been scrubbed from Google.



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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:31 AM
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10. Jonathon Kwitny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Kwitny

He was from the "good" side of the WSJ, and was a crack investigative journalist. If you can lay your hands on any of his books, DO SO! They're all eye-openers.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 12:55 PM
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19. Who Gave Bush His Teflon Coat in the Iran-Contra Scam?
Kwitny was TOPS! One example:



Who Gave Bush His Teflon Coat in the Iran-Contra Scam?

November 04, 1988|JONATHAN KWITNY |
Los Angeles Times

Jonathan Kwitny is the host and managing editor of "The Kwitny Report," which will debut on PBS television in January. His latest book is "The Crimes of Patriots: a True Tale of Dope, Dirty Money and the CIA" (Simon & Schuster, 1988).

I grind no party ax. Four years ago I was writing about a Democratic candidate's coziness with organized-crime figures. I am glad that I and other reporters brought out Geraldine Ferraro's unsavory history before that election. This year I simply find Michael Dukakis unappealing.

But the way George Bush has been let off the hook sickens me--as does the notion that he could be an acceptable candidate for the presidency, let alone leading the polls, less than two years after the Iran-Contra scandal broke.

The Bush-Reagan team rode to office on the issue of terrorism, pledging to halt it by never negotiating with terrorists and stopping others from doing so. For much of their Administration, federal law prohibited waging war on Nicaragua. Yet Bush attended dozens of meetings at which were discussed either our active role in starting and sustaining the Contra war or the secret supply of arms to Iran, which in public he called a leading terrorist state. Bush's assertion now that he didn't know of these activities is preposterous. An aide's minutes show him being briefed on arms shipments to Iran as they were in progress. He says that he misunderstood; he thought that the sales were Israeli. If so, he was muddleheaded on this linchpin issue and lacked leadership, considering our influence over Israel. Alternatively, he is simply lying; records show that he had been told earlier that Israel was acting as our front in the transactions.

In fact, Bob Woodward has reported, and Bush hasn't (to my knowledge) denied, that Bush was with Reagan when the President signed the Bible that was delivered as a gift to the "terrorist" ayatollah along with a planeload of missiles and other arms.

SNIP...

It gets worse. As his own assistant Rodriguez hired, under an assumed name, Luis Posada Carriles, another former CIA colleague who had just been sprung from a Venezuelan jail--with his help, Rodriguez has hinted. Posada was in jail for the mid-air bombing of a civilian Cuban airliner that took 73 lives. That surpasses all the Arab terrorist acts that Bush and Reagan have complained of.

CONTINUED...

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-11-04/local/me-984_1_contra-arms



Through his work, Mr. Kwitny demonstrated why a Free Press is the basis of democracy.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:33 AM
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11. K&R ! //nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:11 PM
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26. CIA Links to the Savings & Loan Scandal
From days gone by, a certain well-heeled and connected class continues to haunt the idea that is America.



CIA Links to the Savings & Loan Scandal

by Joseph A. Palermo

EXCERPT...

Lawrence Freeman, a lawyer who helped engineer a fraudulent Florida
land transaction that caused the collapse of two savings and loans,
allegedly has ties to both the CIA and organized crime. Freeman, a
twice-convicted money launderer, has ties to the CIA dating back to
the early 1960s when he worked with the late Paul Helliwell.
Helliwell was a top officer in southeast Asia in World War II with the
Office of Strategic Services, the wartime predecessor of the CIA, and
was a close associate of the late William Casey, Reagan's CIA
director. Helliwell was a founding member of the CIA and participated
in many covert operations including efforts to overthrow Cuban leader
Fidel Castro. Freeman and Helliwell were senior partners in Castle
Bank and Trust in the Bahamas during the early 1970s when it was used
by the CIA and organized crime to launder money. Freeman pleaded
guilty to laundering money for a convicted drug smuggler and was
sentenced to three years in prison. He is now out on parole but is
barred from practicing law.

Freeman and Helliwell's Castle Bank and Trust folded in 1977,
following Helliwell's death. According to journalist Jonathan Kwitny,
the author of "The Crimes of Patriots," it was then that the CIA and
the Mafia turned over their money laundering operations to the
infamous Nugan Hand Bank in Australia and to companies in the English
Channel tax haven of the Isle of Jersey. Freeman allegedly wired
millions of dollars to shell companies on the island as part of the
land transaction that played a role in the failure of two thrifts.
Some of the money from this deal may have been diverted for use in
CIA-sponsored covert operations. Officers of these companies were
also reportedly used by Freeman to launder drug smuggling proceeds.

But Freeman's biggest money laundering client, according to Florida
Department of Law Enforcement records, was an organized crime figure
called "the Cobra" by Freeman and his associates. Law enforcement
sources in Florida and Texas have identified "the Cobra" as Mafia boss
Santo Trafficante of Tampa, who died in 1987. Trafficante's
involvement in the CIA's attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro in the
early 1960s is well documented. During this period, he was also
involved with Helliwell in CIA-sponsored anti-Castro activities.

A close associate of Trafficante who also participated in CIA anti-
Castro plots was New Orleans Mafia boss Carlos Marcello. Marcello has
extensive business ties with fellow Louisiana organized crime figure
Herman Beebe. Beebe pleaded guilty to fraud in connection with a loan
at State Savings in Dallas and has twice been successfully prosecuted.
He was involved in a scheme in the early 1970s to smuggle guns and
explosives to anti-Castro Cubans operating in Mexico. Beebe also had
business dealings with Edward "Fast Eddie" Susalla, whose son Scott
pleaded guilty to possession of cocaine in 1985 in one of the largest
drug busts in southern California history.

It was Herman Beebe who provided the seed capital for the creation
of Palmer National Bank in Washington, D.C., which was controlled by
two officials of the George Bush 1980 presidential campaign, Stefan
Halper and Harvey McLean. Halper was policy director for Bush's 1980
campaign, while McLean was southern finance chairman and a Bush
fundraiser. McLean became a major player in a number of failed
savings and loans in Texas where fraud was a factor and has been
placed in involuntary bankruptcy. McLean owned Paris Savings and Loan
in Paris, Texas, which failed in 1988 and was merged with 11 other
insolvent Texas S&Ls at a total cost to the federal government of $1.3
billion. The "New York Times" and the "Washington Post" reported that
Palmer National Bank actively arranged loans for wealthy, right-wing
Republicans and their pet projects. Halper and McLean first met while
they were working on the Bush 1988 presidential campaign. Palmer
National loaned money to individuals and organizations that were
involved in covert aid to the Nicaraguan Contras.

CONTINUED...

http://www.skepticfiles.org/conspire/cia-s&ld.htm



Hiya, Overseas! Thank you for caring about the only way to get this history from repeating.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 09:35 AM
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12. Republicon Family Values - so skankulously low
Ptooooey.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:17 PM
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27. Organized Crime, The CIA and the Savings and Loan Scandal
This guy is one of my favorite educators.



Organized Crime, The CIA and the Savings and Loan Scandal

By Gary W. Potter

The savings and loan scandal of the 1980s has been depicted in a myriad of ways. To some, it is "the greatest ... scandal in American history" (Thomas, 1991: 30). To others it is the single greatest case of fraud in the history of crime (Seattle Times, June 11, 1991). Some analysts see it as the natural result of the ethos of greed promulgated by the Reagan administration (Simon and Eitzen, 1993: 50). And to some it was a premeditated conspiracy to move covert funds out of the country for use by the U.S. Intelligence Agency (Bainerman, 1992: 275). All of these depictions of the S & L scandal contain elements of truth. But to a large degree, the savings and loan scandal was simply business as usual. What was unusual about it was not that it happened, or who was involved, but that it was so blatant and coarse a criminal act that exposure became inevitable. But with its exposure, three basic but usually ignored "truths" about organized crime were once again demonstrated with startlingly clarity:

There is precious little difference between those people who society designates as respectable and law abiding and those people society castigates as hoodlums and thugs.

The world of corporate finance and corporate capital is as criminogenic and probably more criminogenic than any poverty-wracked slum neighborhood.

The distinctions drawn between business, politics, and organized crime are at best artificial and in reality irrelevant. Rather than being dysfunctions, corporate crime, white-collar crime, organized crime, and political corruption are mainstays of American political-economic life.

It is not our intent to discuss the unethical and even illegal business practices of the failed savings and loans and their governmental collaborators. The outlandish salaries paid by S & L executives to themselves, the subsidies to the thrifts from Congress which rewarded incompetence and fraud, the land "flips" which resulted in real estate being sold back and forth in an endless "kiting" scheme, and the political manipulation designed to delay the scandal until after the 1988 presidential elections are all immensely interesting and important. But they are subjects for others' inquiries. Our interest is in the savings and loans as living, breathing organisms that fused criminal corporations, organized crime, and the CIA into a single entity that served the interests of the political and economic elite in America. Let us begin by quickly summarizing the most blatant examples of collaboration between financial institutions, the mob, and the intelligence community.

First National Bank of Maryland: For two years, 1983-1985, the First National Bank of Maryland was used by Associated Traders, a CIA proprietary company, to make payments for covert operations. Associated traders used its accounts at First National to supply $23 million in arms for covert operations in Afghanistan, Angola, Chad, and Nicaragua (Bainerman, 1992; 276-277; Covert Action 35, 1990).

The links between the First National Bank of Maryland and the CIA were exposed in a lawsuit filed in Federal District Court by Robert Maxwell, a high-ranking bank officer. Maxwell charged in that suit that he had been asked to commit crimes on behalf of the CIA. Specifically, he charged that he was asked to conceal Associated Traders' business activities, which by law he was required to specify on all letters of credit. Maxwell alleged that he had been physically threatened and forced to leave his job after asking that his superiors supply him with a letter stating that the activities he was being asked to engage in were legal. In responding to Maxwell's lawsuit, attorneys for the bank state that "a relationship between First National and the CIA and Associated Traders was classified information which could neither be confirmed nor denied (Bainerman, 1992: 276-277; Washington Business Journal, February 5, 1990).

SNIP...

In the everyday language of the police, the press, and popular opinion, "organized crime" refers to a tightly knit group of people, usually alien and often Italian, that run a crime business structured along the lines of feudal relationships. This conception bears little relationship to the reality of organized crime today. Nonetheless, criminologists have discovered the existence of organizations whose activities focus on the smuggling of illegal commodities into and out of countries (cocaine out of Colombia and into the United States and guns and arms out of the United States and into the Middle East, for example); other organizations, sometimes employing some of the same people, are organized to provide services such as gambling, prostitution, illegal dumping of toxic wastes, arson, usury, and occasionally murder. These organizations typically cut across ethnic and cultural lines, are run like businesses, and consist of networks of people including police, politicians, and ordinary citizens investing in illegal enterprises for a high return on their money.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/S&L_Scandal_CIA.html



Prof. Potter has something few today understand: Integrity.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:12 AM
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14. I first read the headline as "How Poopy's Pals Broke the Banks" ......
...... same difference, I suppose. :)


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:22 PM
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28. LOL! Here's a bit on one particularly enormous GOOPer pooper...
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:13 AM
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15. This is the world we live in.
I don't like it much :(
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:41 PM
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31. Crazy World.
We've got to be crazy to be part of it.

Perfect World.

It's got you, my Friend.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:10 PM
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36. That it does.
There is so much good intermixed with the weird, mean and corrupt.

Having an evening to my own tonight listening to Joni Mitchell's best with stereo a little louder than normal. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:20 AM
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16. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:56 PM
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33. A top FBI official warned of widening loan fraud in 2004, but focused its resources elsewhere...
Money means things.



FBI saw threat of loan crisis

A top official warned of widening loan fraud in 2004, but the agency focused its resources elsewhere.


By Richard B. Schmitt
August 25, 2008 in print edition A-1

Long before the mortgage crisis began rocking Main Street and Wall Street, a top FBI official made a chilling, if little-noticed, prediction: The booming mortgage business, fueled by low interest rates and soaring home values, was starting to attract shady operators and billions in losses were possible.

“It has the potential to be an epidemic,” Chris Swecker, the FBI official in charge of criminal investigations, told reporters in September 2004. But, he added reassuringly, the FBI was on the case. “We think we can prevent a problem that could have as much impact as the S&L crisis,” he said.

Today, the damage from the global mortgage meltdown has more than matched that of the savings-and-loan bailouts of the 1980s and early 1990s. By some estimates, it has made that costly debacle look like chump change. But it’s also clear that the FBI failed to avert a problem it had accurately forecast.

Banks and brokerages have written down more than $300 billion of mortgage-backed securities and other risky investments in the last year or so as homeowner defaults leaped and weakness in the real estate market spread.

In California alone, lenders have foreclosed on $100 billion worth of homes over the last two years and are foreclosing at a rate of 1,300 houses every business day, according to a recent report from ForeclosureRadar.com.

Most observers have declared the mess a gross failure of regulation. To be sure, in the run-up to the crisis, market-oriented federal regulators bragged about their hands-off treatment of banks and other savings institutions and their executives. But it wasn’t just regulators who were looking the other way. The FBI and its parent agency, the Justice Department, are supposed to act as the cops on the beat for potentially illegal activities by bankers and others. But they were focused on national security and other priorities, and paid scant attention to white-collar crimes that may have contributed to the lending and securities debacle.

Now that the problems are out in the open, the government’s response strikes some veteran regulators as too little, too late.

Swecker, who retired from the FBI in 2006, declined to comment for this article.

But sources familiar with the FBI budget process, who were not authorized to speak publicly about the growing fraud problem, say that he and other FBI criminal investigators sought additional assistance to take on the mortgage scoundrels.

They ended up with fewer resources, rather than more.

In 2007, the number of agents pursuing mortgage fraud shrank to around 100. By comparison, the FBI had about 1,000 agents deployed on banking fraud during the S&L bust of the 1980s and ’90s, said Anthony Adamski, who oversaw financial crime investigations for the FBI at the time.

The FBI says it now has about 200 agents working on mortgage fraud, but critics say the agency might have averted much of the problem had it heeded its own warning.

“The FBI correctly diagnosed that mortgage fraud was epidemic, but it did not come close to meeting its announced goal,” said William K. Black, who was a federal regulator during the S&L crisis and now teaches economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City.

“It used everyday procedures and woefully inadequate resources to deal with an epidemic,” he said. “The approach was certain to bring symbolic prosecutions and strategic defeat.”

The mortgage debacle has laid bare a system marked by dubious practices at every stage of the process. Lenders often made loans to borrowers who had limited ability to repay them but little desire to pass up the dream of homeownership. Many loans lacked basic documentation, such as information about borrowers’ incomes.

Still, mortgage companies could hardly sell them fast enough, packaging the loans as investment securities and peddling them to eager buyers on Wall Street.

The FBI defends its handling of the crisis, with officials contending that as home prices were rising several years ago, the trouble brewing in the mortgage market – and the potential crimes behind it – was not immediately apparent.

Officials said they began approaching mortgage companies and others in an attempt to raise awareness about the growing fraud problem. But the lenders had little incentive to cooperate because they were continuing to make money. Black says that in many cases, they were part of the fraud.

“Nobody wanted to listen,” Sharon Ormsby, the chief of the FBI’s financial crimes section, said in an interview. “We were dealing with the issue as best we could back then.”

Over the last three years, the FBI and other agencies have brought dozens of mortgage-fraud cases. The bureau has rooted out foreclosure rescue schemes in which homeowners are tricked into signing over the deeds to their homes to operators who buried the properties even deeper in debt. Agents have disrupted cases of identity theft in which criminals open – and exhaust – home equity lines of credit and leave homeowners stuck with the bill.

Many of the cases have been relatively small, however, with about half the investigations involving losses of less than $1 million – the size of two or three loans.

But the tepid response also reflects a broad realignment of law-enforcement priorities at the Justice Department in which mortgage fraud and other white-collar crimes have been subordinated to other Bush administration priorities.

That has reflected, in part, the ramp-up in national security and terrorism investigations after the Sept. 11 attacks. But the administration has also put more support behind efforts against illegal immigration and child pornography.

In a way, the mortgage debacle could not have come onto the FBI radar screen at a worse time. Just as Swecker was making his doomsday forecast, the FBI, under pressure from Congress and the White House, was creating a crime-fighting brain drain, transferring hundreds of agents from its criminal investigations unit into its anti-terrorism program. About 2,500 agents doing criminal work – 20% or so of the entire force – were affected.

Even as the number of new white-collar cases started declining, the Justice Department did pursue some high-profile corporate prosecutions, such as those arising from the collapse of Enron Corp. But some former prosecutors question the administration’s current commitment to pursuing complex, high-stakes cases.

“I think most sitting U.S. attorneys now staring at the subprime crisis find scant resources available to pursue sophisticated financial crimes,” said John C. Hueston, a Los Angeles lawyer who was a lead federal prosecutor in the trials of Enron executives Kenneth L. Lay and Jeffrey K. Skilling.

Absent a major shift in priorities and resources, he said, it is likely that the Justice Department and the FBI will continue on their current path of focusing on simple cases “that don’t go to the heart of the problem.”

The FBI says it has 21 open investigations into possible large-scale fraud related to the subprime meltdown. The Times reported last month that a federal grand jury in Los Angeles had subpoenaed records from three large California lenders: Countrywide Financial Corp. (now part of Bank of America Corp.), New Century Financial Corp. and IndyMac Federal Bank.

Among other possible targets, the FBI has said, are investment firms that sold billions in securities backed by shaky subprime mortgages and credit rating agencies that gave high marks to the now-worthless securities and failed to protect investors.

But it may be hard to jump-start such probes. Trying to prove that a major mortgage company intended to defraud buyers of its securities, for example, could take years of digging into records and testimony.

Moreover, some of those involved may have special legal protection: Credit rating firms have in other cases successfully asserted that their opinions about the values of securities are protected by the 1st Amendment.


“I am happy to have investigations going on, but these investigations should have taken place years ago,” said Blair A. Nicholas, a San Diego lawyer representing investors who lost money in the collapse of several subprime mortgage lenders. “They seem to always get involved after the horse has left the barn. It is always cleaning up the mess rather than being proactive.”

Could the crisis have been averted, or at least mitigated, if the FBI had intervened more forcefully?

“Until there is a catastrophic loss, there is no incentive to investigate criminal conduct,” said Cynthia Monaco, a former federal prosecutor in New York. “Nor are there people coming forward with evidence” such as angry investors or whistle-blowing corporate employees, she said.

Even now, Monaco added, it is far from clear whether the damage – suffered by investors and homeowners alike – was the product of clear-cut fraud.

Ormsby says the FBI is more actively working with other federal investigative agencies in the hope they will pick up the slack. The Secret Service, for example, in a departure from its traditional missions of protecting presidents and heads of state and investigating counterfeiting, has assigned more than 100 agents to examine mortgage fraud, said spokesman Edwin Donovan.

The Justice Department is also starting to mobilize. The department offered what it described as a “basic seminar” on mortgage fraud cases to about 100 prosecutors last week at its national training academy in South Carolina.

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http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/25/business/fi-mortgagefraud25



Money means respect.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:34 AM
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17. And Poppy's nephew, Walker Stapleton,
is running for Treasurer in Colorado.

God help us.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:11 PM
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34. Big Payroll
And they're still working for somebody else.



By their actions, I believe they worship things.

Have you seen HBO's "Boardwalk Empire," madamesilverspurs? Nucky's a treasurer. He's a believer, too.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 10:19 PM
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35. That explains why they're fighting Cary Kennedy so hard.
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 08:16 AM
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39. Have I heard that name before,
I'm trying to remember the insider trading investigation of Skippy's Harken sale. Was Stapleton in the SEC at this time?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:04 AM
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18. The Bush Family - Shorting America for 65 years!
Anyone see a pattern here?

Prescott, GHW's dad, was working the interests of the Nazi's - investing their money while working to keep America on the sidelines (an isolationist, but certainly not anti-war). He got away with it.

George (Head of the Family) - As soon as Bush/Reagan gained the WH by getting the Iranians to hold the US hostages until after the election, dismantled Carter's energy programs....kick the DOE out of the cabinet , ripped out the solar cells off the WH roof, and killed technology investment in alternative energy...then cut a deal for cheap oil with the Sauds. At the same time, start a civil war with Right Wing deathsquads in South America (Danny Noreiga is coming for you!!!!!) to distract the US Taxpayer from that swindle craftwork.

How much has this 34 year old oil based energy policy really cost the citizens of this country over this time? Counting the cost of 2 ME wars, increased military spending to provide local muscle in the ME for the House of Saud and Big Oil ("pump,ship, and dump") while creating other wars of distraction? Include the cost of shed blood and misery for 10's of thousands of American families. Don't forget the loses incurred by the taxpayer for the S&L bailout, as well as the recent Wall Street collapse that represents another huge wealth transfer.


George (Head-elect of the Family) - He did more thsn his share to continue the family tradition. Unaccountable for lying about a casus belli that killed 100's of thousands and further wrecked our economy. When 9/11 happened, what was the Bush Family reaction?

(1) Provide safe passage for Saudi Royalty (including the uber-wealthy, Carlisle investing bin Laden family) out of the USA while Americans were unable to fly.

(2) Exit our military from Saudi Arabia (I think this was the quid-pro-quo for making Osama the Evil Face of 9/11).

(3) Take out the House of Saud's #1 secular threat, their neighbor Saddam Hussein. Keeping all that oil off the market sure didn't hurt the balance sheets at Kingdom Holdings. A country that had no direct involvement whatsoever with what occurred on that awful day in 2001. So that lied about reasons to invade WMD, using bogus documentation ("Would you like oil to wash down that Nigerian yellowcake?"), and with the Media's complicity and a cramdown IWR, timed for the mid-terms got them all the legal cover they needed to invade and break the State. Now, instead of being a natural refuge for moderation (both Sunni and Shia's who might not like the religious extremes of either Saudi Arabia or Iran) and social modernization in the ME, Iraq will serve to be a natural religious buffer for SA and Iran - in other words, a failed state. {Can't help but to give Dick Cheney (world-class warmonger/profiteer) his just recognition for the role he played. Dick's reward was he had the Iraqi Reonstruction concession pretty much to himself.}

So here we are at another election crossroad. The media and astroturf organizations that reflect the Bush uber-wealthy agenda have got themselves position to retake the House. We have George Bush telling us, with a straight face, that his #1 accomplishment was "keeping us safe " during his Presidency......as if 9/11 never happened on his watch. Our Pravda-like media (no, that was a single organ, this is a vertiable symphony)- is playing along, covering rather than exposing. Pravda was a government propaganda operation...our media today is a propanganda operation for the powers behind our government. We're broken financially and morally......the 65 year long short sale of America is almost complete.

So what's the Bush family net contribution to this country's welfare? I'd say, in round numbers, we got taken for, conservatively, around $10 Trillion dollars.







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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 05:58 PM
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40. Outstanding account and analysis, yours, Never Old and In the Way.
You've seen it. You've heard it. You've live it.

One of the things that pains me most, information wise, is the fact many of the people who have made (and recorded) this history will soon be gone. And that is a shame they have not been held to account, let alone faced justice, for their deeds and inactions. And they are world-class, professional grade.

Remember when DU was new? You already were a long-timer when you welcomed me. Here's stuff we learned and talked about that should be remembered and spread as history critical to our nation's future:



Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

SNIP…

In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.")

CONTINUED…

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html



Some more on the Genoa warnings…



Plot to assassinate Bush – reports

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED…

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/



Dose guys think we've forgotten.



Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation


Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.
A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.

Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

CONTINUED…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html



We won't forget, though.



Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

CONTINUED…

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml



And something new, something old, something else that must be remembered and spread on the subject from good folks in your neck of the woods:



I Am Become Death

by Roger K. Smith
Published on Sunday, October 24, 2010 by CommonDreams.org

One of the most brilliant quips from the social critic Paul Goodman is that "technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science." Goodman was astute enough to recognize that technological "progress" was not a monolithic process but the consequence of many decisions made by individuals and institutions. Any specific technology will bring about changes, sometimes unexpected ones, for good or ill, often both. The challenge, which Goodman implored us to conceive as a moral one, is to make it likely, if not certain, that the technologies we choose to bring into the world, considering the full spectrum of their likely effects, will make the world a better place to live.

Of all the technological developments of the 20th century, perhaps the one that's been hardest for human beings to live with has been the atomic bomb. What moral values does its invention imply? It started amid the terror of total warfare, with Einstein's famous letter to Franklin Roosevelt, written weeks before the German invasion of Poland. The ethics implicit in this letter are clear-they are the ethics of the jungle, the ethics of war at its most brutal: do it to them before they do it to you; kill or be killed.

Inevitably, the government's utmost capacity was devoted to developing the bomb, and inevitably, once developed, it was used in warfare. There are many people who still accept the justification President Truman offered to a war-weary population-that the atomic bombings were necessary to secure the enemy's surrender. I don't mean to discuss why this argument was disingenuous; the late Howard Zinn did that admirably, among others. I would merely point out the moral philosophy upon which Truman was relying: the end justifies the means.

The existence of nuclear weapons has challenged and undermined human faith in ourselves, our works, and our future. Many writers, none more brilliant or persistent than Jonathan Schell, have dwelled upon how the dawn of the nuclear age transformed the human condition, making it impossible to assume an indefinite human future, making the survival of the species essentially up to us-that is, up to a small number of individuals with custody of this technology, above all the president of the United States.

In the book Bomb Power, published this year, the eminent historian Garry Wills gives us a dispassionate analysis of the way nuclear weapons have bent our republic out of shape. A few reviewers have quibbled with some of the scholarship in Wills' book and questioned the scope of his conclusions, but to me the basic case he makes is unassailable. Incorporating nuclear weapons into the U.S. military apparatus and making them the linchpin of American defense policy set the government on a path that cannot be reconciled with the intent of the founders or the instructions they provided in the Constitution. It wrecked their elaborate system of checks and balances by centering power in the executive branch and in the office of the president. Not only that, it gave the executive an invincible tool with which to accumulate ever more power, "bomb power," through secrecy, covert activity, the concealment of information not only from mere citizens but even from Congress, and the overarching climate of never-ending life-or-death emergency that made national security a trump card over all other functions of government.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/10/24-4



"A Causerie at the Military Industrial" is available for reading online.

PS: You are never Old and never not out of the In Way. Ever. And never forgotten.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:42 PM
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43. Never too old to be disgusted with the Bush family empire.
Disaster Capitalism at it's finest. Like I said, I hope some bright economist-historian will take up the challenge of finding out what the Bush Republican fiscal/economic/global policy agenda has cost this country in terms of real taxpayer dollar losses in the Treasury - and track that against the Bush Family personal wealth performance, over the past 70 years. I think I'd be marveling at the tight negative correlation between the datasets.
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 02:19 PM
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20. Thank you Octafish
Hubby & I have read & learned so much from what you have posted.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 06:42 PM
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42. You are most welcome, my Friend. From Samy and Sandra...
Here's something fun for my friends in Michigan and Arizona (I live in the former and also love the latter):

"Gallina Fina," performed by Samy and Sandra Sandoval

And some serious business:

...something for the internets...

And most importantly: A hearty, and too belated, welcome to DU, Michigan-Arizona.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 02:52 PM
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21. k&r+ Source Watch Portal: Corporate Rights
Welcome to the clearinghouse on corporate "rights"
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Corporate_Rights

:hi:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 02:56 PM
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22. K & R & bookmarked.
:kick:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 03:27 PM
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23. Just talking about this on another thread. Raygunomics purposely started this cycle
and we are/will be living through the results for decades (unless we take drastic measures, but the fear of change will preclude that).

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 03:37 PM
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24. This reminds me of how the Pres..
has to repeat things over and over and I am still surprised when I hear some of these talking heads on tv say he didn't know something that the Pres has said over and over.

This is ridiculous for an historian. This is why sometimes I post things over again on DU for new members who have just checked into politics in the past few years,they don't know the half of it.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:32 PM
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30. Pete Brewton's book? know that one?
it's all there, very densely packed. hard read, but well documented
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:42 PM
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32. How many years has the Bush family been picking our pockets?
Savings and loan crisis, Mortgage crisis.. we never learn.

But I must say.. 911 was a real work of art. Homeland Security, the WOT, TSA, Blackwater... the Bushies and their minions just sit back and watch the cash roll in... its all wired up and on auto pilot now.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 06:33 AM
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37. Security services have always been a perfect cover for bank frauds and land grabs.
Edited on Thu Oct-28-10 06:56 AM by leveymg
This business model goes back to Elizabethan times when Royally-chartered piracy became the first big global business. The Bush clan and their branch of the CIA really are just buccaneers in business suits.

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 07:06 AM
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38. The BFEE should be on America's Most Wanted list.
:nuke:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 06:39 PM
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41. Interesting.....k&R
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