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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:34 PM
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Joe Miller: Social Security Is Something The Federal Government ‘Shouldn’t Have Gotten Into’
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 03:38 PM by cal04
Earlier today, Alaska GOP Senate candidate Joe Miller was a guest on KWHL’s Bob and Mark show. ThinkProgress called in to ask him to clarify his previous suggestions that Social Security is unconstitutional. In his initial response, Miller repeated an earlier, economically impossible proposal for a state takeover of Social Security:

(Social Security) is a role that, if government is to do, it’s something that’s best reserved to the states. It’s kinda, it is a paradox, you’re exactly right, and so how to we deal with that as a nation? You know, when I look at the Constitution, and I look at what it provides for, certain powers are listed. The Tenth Amendment says that the powers aren’t listed , that those powers are reserved then to the states. So it is a quandary.

Listen:http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/23/miller-social-security/

In response to a follow up question from ThinkProgress, Miller clarified that he does think that Social Security is unconstitutional, but that it should continue to pay benefits to some Americans anyway:

MILLER: When you start to receive some sort of commitment from government in exchange for a payment that you’ve made, there are reciprocal responsibilities; there is an expectation of payment on the part of the person that’s paid into it. And it’s gotten us into this quandary, where government is into something that it shouldn’t have gotten into. Now we’ve got a whole generation of people that are dependent on it, plus we have others that are getting ready to enter into the Social Security payment system, and they are, they simply don’t have time to transition out of it .

QUESTION: What about for me? I’m 32 years old. Is Social Security constitutional for me?

MILLER: Social Security should be transitioned into a program, there’s no question about it, that will allow either the states, or the private entities — whatever the dialogue, I think, results in — to provide payments to you. It is ultimately the government’s responsibility to follow the mandates of the Constitution.

Listen:

It’s difficult to count the errors in Miller’s statement. For starters, if Social Security is unconstitutional, than it would be unconstitutional to continue to pay benefits to current beneficiaries. There is certainly nothing in the Constitution which requires the kind of generational warfare Miller embraces, and the idea that the Constitution applies differently to older Americans than it does to younger Americans is utterly incoherent.

More importantly, his suggestion that Social Security violates the “mandates of the Constitution” is flat out wrong. Had Miller actually bothered to read the Constitution, he would know that Congress has the power to “to lay and collect taxes” and to “provide for the…general welfare of the United States.” That’s exactly what Social Security does.

Finally, his two alternatives to Social Security would both be a disaster. Miller’s proposal to turn Social Security over to state governments is economically impossible unless America forbids its citizens from retiring in a different state than the one that they paid taxes in while working. Likewise, privatization would impose significant new risks on seniors, while creating new administrative costs and forcing benefit reductions. Yet despite being a riskier, less beneficial program for seniors, it also will cost more money than the present system.

Whatever Miller may think, there is nothing in the Constitution that requires America to have an inferior retirement system.

Update It's also worth noting that the Supreme Court has never taken Miller's view of Social Security seriously. The justices upheld Social Security in a pair of 1937 decisions shortly after it became law.

UpdateOhio GOP congressional candidate Bob Gibbs expressed similar disregard for Social Security in a recent appearance, saying "I doubt that I would have supported it back in the 1930s when they did it":
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:36 PM
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1. Sounds like a new TV ad. nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:37 PM
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2. I can list a lot of things the republicans have done that is
far from constitutional but they did them anyway. And why does make laws, vote on them and they become LAW. Everything in this country is not in the Constitution. This guy might not seem as nuts as Angle, Palin and O'donnell but he sure is. His reasoning verges on the paranoid.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:39 PM
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3. These Teabaggers can't even think themselves out of a teabag
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 03:40 PM by MadMaddie
Do they want 50 seperate countries in Continental America because that's what it looks like.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:39 PM
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4. He is such a moron. It amazes me that the people of Alaska might actually elect
this asshole. Unbelievable.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:35 AM
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12. What does that say...
....about those who will votre for him?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:40 PM
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5. Social Security is a thorn in their side. Can you imagine all that money that the gov't
is sitting on, out of their grab (for now)?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:49 PM
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6. And yet, for all his looney tunes stances
Nobody dares call Joe Miller or others of his philosophical ilk "out of the mainstream." I wonder why that is?
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:52 PM
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7. My Grandma would not have like you, Joe
and I don't either, for that matter.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:55 PM
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8. The stupid is strong with this one, (and most repubes/baggers)
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:59 PM
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9. What an ignorant little shit. Does he realize that biggest killers
of seniors in the pre-SS era were malnutrition and hypothermia?

They STARVED and FROZE to death!!
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:07 PM
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10. we've seen how well the private sector steals our investments
all it takes is greed and it's gone.

these squeaky clean white boys sure do have thirst for our money. I say they work for free if they're so against us.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:35 PM
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11. So if and when he gets unemployed and disabled does he want to be taken out...
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 04:35 PM by cascadiance
... and shot if his "state's social security" can no longer afford him? Or HOW would he then take care of himself if he feels social security isn't important or "right" then.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:18 AM
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13. Oddly, Despite Their Agenda To Completely Abolish Social Security, The Elderly...
...often vote Republicans.

Such is the power of Fox News and the rest of the corporate media that buries these stories.
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