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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:43 PM
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Cyanobacteria to The Rescue
Soon we may have the technology to turn carbon dioxide into ethanol using only bacteria and sunlight, thanks to University of Hawai'i scientist Pengcheng "Patrick" Fu.

Fu has engineered a strain of freshwater cyanobacteria to feed on carbon dioxide and emit ethanol as waste in the presence of sunlight, according to an article in the Honolulu Advertiser. Fu says that he is two to three years away from creating a full-scale ethanol plant using these tiny critters. Producing ethanol this way is faster and less costly than producing it using crops, he says. According to the article,

"The benefit over other techniques of producing ethanol is that this is simple and quick—taking days rather than the months required to grow crops that can be converted to ethanol, Fu said.

http://www.realitysandwich.com/node/147
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:47 PM
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1. cyanobacteria that produce ethanol as a waste product...
hmm...most alcohols kill bacteria, this is a little odd...:shrug:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:50 PM
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4. Yeast does it.
They tolerate a higher level of alcohol than most other bacteria. Chances are it will have to be done in water or some other medium from which the alcohol can be extracted.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:12 PM
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6. Yeasts are NOT bacteria!!
Redstone
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:44 PM
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8. Plants, animals, who cares on a microscopic level?
I'm not teaching biology, I'm talking about making alcohol.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:45 PM
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9. Who cares is anyone who is paying attention to whether the process will work or not.
That's who.

Redstone
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:52 PM
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10. Oh, whatever. Go eat some fiber. - n/t
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:53 PM
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11. Masterful repartee, right there. Got anything less weak?
Redstone
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:53 PM
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12. Not for the likes of you. - n/t
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:12 PM
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13. Gee, now I feel really bad. Guess I'll just have to go eat worms, or something.
I'm devastated.

Redstone
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:47 AM
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14. You Guys Are Funny I'm waiting with baited breath
a diet of worms.

or you could ear ramen, it looks like worms
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:56 AM
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15. Ah, but worms don't have a lot of salt, and they're raised right here in America.
Redstone
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:07 PM
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18. I really don't care, I didn't ask you. - n/t
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:06 PM
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24. civility just isn't your thing, is it?
tsk, tsk
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:48 PM
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:35 PM
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28. So what are the condition under which it's "deserved"?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 06:26 AM
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30. Well
We have thermophiles living in deep vents, we have halophiles living in conditions unconducive to life, Pseudomonads have been engineered to basically consume oil. Is it really that far of a stretch of the imagination to consider the remote possibility that cyanobacteria have been engineered to produce ethanol as a byproduct?
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:47 PM
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2. That is fucking awesome.
And it will make for some freaky microbrews.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:48 PM
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3. And this was first reported by the HONOLULU ADVERTISER? Uh-huh. Some breakthrough,
that it gets reported by the Honolulu Advertiser rather than, say, Nature.

Don't hold your breath on this one.

Redstone
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:14 PM
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7. There's a whole lot more out there . . .
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 02:15 PM
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23. The Honolulu Advertiser is a legitimate newspaper
It's more legitimate than other papers, in that while every newspaper is first a vehicle for advertising and second an information source, the Honolulu paper (which is the main paper in Hawaii) comes right out and admits it in their name.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:05 PM
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5. Cool! Thanks for posting K & R nt
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:07 AM
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16. cyanobacteria- got a whole lake full here
lovely Clear Lake (CA), which is not clear, but full of cyanobacteria which make the water green. They are pretty interesting critters.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:07 PM
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25. are they like the Klamath Lake blue-green algae?
Edited on Fri May-18-07 03:08 PM by Morgana LaFey
the edible ones? (Not all that tasty, but boy are they great nutrition!)
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 02:16 AM
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29. dun'no. but they sure smell in late Aug.
lake gets warm, the little bacteria multiply and then die off. Peee-uuuuw. But they say that the bacteria are what keeps the lake from becoming a big meadow, by shading the bottom and preventing plant growth. Clear Lake is supposed to be the oldest fresh water lake in the US.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:10 AM
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17. Not to mention, if we ever do decide to terraform Mars,
they'd be damn useful there as well. Here's hoping this pans out.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:08 PM
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19. Whooooa way cool!
:applause:
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:39 PM
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20. how ethanol-tolerant are the little things?
i'm assuming the distillation will be at least as costly as with corn based ethanol, though at least these little buggers wouldn't be eating up our topsoil and pricing the developing world out of much of the food market.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 02:09 PM
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21. Why do we care if it kills the bacteria?
They grow exponentially. Just give me my cheap easy alternative fuel already.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 02:11 PM
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22. Just wait until the oil dudes get hold of this guy.
:hi: Buh-bye! :hi:

Does anybody think for one minute the oil companies won't shut this down if it really works?

:kick::kick::kick:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 03:10 PM
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26. Yet More Cool News On The Renewable Energy Front. Thanks!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 07:00 AM
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31. What do the CBac eat??? They gatta eat sumpthin???
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 09:15 AM
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32. Fossil fuels have been regarded as free energy for too long.
That wonderful energy they yielded up will have to be repaid, if we want to turn all that excess carbon dioxide back into carbon. The world's oceans are a carbon sink, but they have not been able to keep up with our profligate combustion.

Count me skeptical. This process might ultimate help to reduce our carbon emissions, but I doubt that we will muster the commitment before it's too late.
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