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James K. Galbraith statement to the Deficit Commission: Your proceedings are clouded by illegitimacy

There Is No Economic Justification for Deficit Reduction
by James K. Galbraith
Statement to the Commission on Deficit Reduction
by James K. Galbraith, Lloyd M. Bentsen, jr. Chair in Government/Business Relations, Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs, The University of Texas at Austin, and Vice President, Americans for Democratic Action, June 30, 2010


Mr. Chairmen, members of the commission, thank you for inviting this statement.

I am a professional economist, but I have served in a political role, as Executive Director of the Joint Economic Committee of the United States Congress. I am offering this statement on behalf of Americans for Democratic Action, an organization co-founded in 1949 by (among others) Eleanor Roosevelt, John Kenneth Galbraith, Arthur M. Schlesinger, jr., and Ronald Reagan. Accordingly I would like to begin with a political comment.

1. Clouds over the Work of the Commission.

Your proceedings are clouded by illegitimacy. In this respect, there are four major issues.

First, most of your meetings are secret, apart from two open sessions before this one, which were plainly for show. There is no justification for secret meetings on deficit reduction. No secrets of any kind are involved. Nothing you say will affect financial markets. Congress long ago -- in 1975 -- reformed its procedures to hold far more sensitive and complicated meetings, notably legislative markups, in the broad light of day.

Secrecy breeds suspicion: first, that your discussions are at a level of discourse so low that you feel it would be embarrassing to disclose them. Second, that some members of the commission are proceeding from fixed, predetermined agendas. Third, that the purpose of the secrecy is to defer public discussion of cuts in Social Security and Medicare until after the 2010 elections. You could easily dispel these suspicions by publishing video transcripts of all of your meetings on the Internet, and by holding all future meetings in public. Please do so.

Second, there is a question of leadership. A bipartisan commission should approach its task in a judicious, open-minded and dispassionate way. For this, the attitude and temperament of the leadership are critical.

I first met Senator Simpson when we were both on Capitol Hill; at Harvard he became friends with my late parents. He is admirably frank in his views. But Senator Simpson has plainly shown that he lacks the temperament to do a fair and impartial job on this commission. This is very clear from the abusive response he made recently to Alex Lawson of Social Security Works, who was asking important questions about the substance of the commission's work, as well as calling attention to the illegitimate secrecy under which you are operating.

A general cannot speak of the President with contempt. Likewise the leader of a commission intended to sway the public cannot display contempt for the public. With due respect, Senator Simpson's conduct fails that test.

Third, most members of the Commission are political leaders, not economists. With all respect for Alice Rivlin, with just one economist on board you are denied access to the professional arguments surrounding this highly controversial issue. In general, it is impossible to have a fair discussion of any important question when the professional participants in that discussion have been picked, in advance, to represent a single point of view.

Conflicts of interest constitute the fourth major problem. The fact that the Commission has accepted support from Peter G. Peterson, a man who has for decades conducted a relentless campaign to cut Social Security and Medicare, raises the most serious questions. Quite apart from the merits of Mr. Peterson's arguments, this act must be condemned. A Commission serving public purpose cannot accept funds or other help from a private party with a strong interest in the outcome of that Commission's work. Your having done so is a disgrace.

In my view you also should not have accepted help from the Economic Policy Institute, even though EPI's positions on the merits are substantially closer to mine.


Let me now turn to the economic questions. A first economic question is, what caused the deficits and rising public debt? The answer comes in two parts: present deficits and projected future deficits.

2. Current Deficits and Rising Debt Were Caused by the Financial Crisis.

Overwhelmingly, the present deficits are caused by the financial crisis. The financial crisis, the fall in asset (especially housing) values, and withdrawal of bank lending to business and households has meant a sharp decline in economic activity, and therefore a sharp decrease in tax revenues and an increase in automatic payments for unemployment insurance and the like. According to a new IMF staff analysis, fully half of the large increase in budget deficits in major economies around the world is due to collapsing tax revenues, and a further large share to low (often negative) growth in relation to interest payments on existing debt. Less than ten percent is due to increased discretionary public expenditure, as in stimulus packages.

This point is important because it shows that the claim that deficits have resulted from "overspending" is false, both in the United States and abroad.

3. Future Deficit Projections Are Generally Based on Forecasts Which Begin by Assuming Full Recovery, But This Assumption Is Highly Unrealistic.

Unlike the present deficits, expected future deficits are not usually considered to be due to continued recession and high unemployment. To understand how the discussion of future deficits is being framed, it is necessary to grasp the work of the principal forecasting authority, the Congressional Budget Office. CBO's projections proceed in two steps. First, they wipe out the current deficits, over a very short time horizon, by assuming a full economic recovery. Second, they create an entirely new source of future deficits, essentially out of whole cloth. The critical near-term assumption in the CBO baseline concerns employment. CBO claims to expect a relatively rapid return, over five years, to high levels of employment, and the baseline incorporates a correspondingly high rate of real growth in the early recovery from the great crisis. If this were to happen, then tax revenues would recover, and ordinarily the projected deficits would disappear. This is what did happen under full employment in the late 1990s.

But under present financial conditions this scenario of a rapid return to high employment is highly unrealistic. It can only happen if the credit system finances economic growth, which implies a rising level of private (household and company) debt relative to GDP. And that clearly is not going to happen. On the contrary, de-leveraging in the private sector is sure to remain the rule for a long time, as mortgages and other debts default or are paid down, and as many households remain effectively insolvent due to their mortgage debt.

With high unemployment, high public deficits are inevitable. The only choice is between an active deficit, incurred by putting people to work or otherwise serving national needs -- such as providing a decent retirement and health care to the aged -- and a passive deficit, incurred because at high unemployment tax revenues necessarily fail to cover public spending. Cutting public spending or raising taxes, now or in the future, by any amount, cannot reduce a deficit due to high unemployment. The only fiscal effect is to convert an active deficit into a passive one -- with disastrous economic and social effects.

4. Having Cured the Deficits with an Unrealistic Forecast, CBO Recreates Them with Another, Very Different, But Equally Unrealistic Forecast.

In the CBO models, high future deficits and rising debt relative to GDP are expected. But the source is not a weak economy. It is a set of assumptions describing an economy after full recovery from the present crisis. In the CBO forecasts, big future deficits arise from a combination of (a) rapidly rising health care costs and (b) rising short-term interest rates, in the context of (c) a rapid return to high employment and (d) continued low overall inflation. This combination produces, mechanically, a very large net interest payout and a rapidly rising public debt in relation to a slowly rising nominal GDP.

Even if CBO were right about recovery, which it is not, this projection is internally inconsistent and wholly implausible. It isn't going to happen. Low overall inflation (at two percent) is inconsistent with the projected rise of short-term interest rates to nearly five percent. Why would the central bank carry out such a policy when no threat of inflation justifies it? But the assumed rise in interest rates drives the projected debt-to-GDP dynamic.

Similarly, the rise in projected interest payments is inconsistent with low nominal inflation. Interest payments rising to over 20 percent of GDP by mid-century would constitute new federal spending similar in scale to the mobilization for World War II. Obviously this cannot happen with two percent inflation. And although a higher inflation rate is undesirable, arithmetically it means a lower debt-to-GDP ratio.

Finally, rapidly rising health care costs and low overall inflation are mutually consistent only if all prices except health care are rising at less than that low overall inflation rate -- including energy and food prices in a time of increasing scarcity. This too is extremely unlikely. Either overall health care costs will decelerate (relieving the so-called Medicare funding problem) or the overall inflation rate will accelerate -- reducing the debt-to-GDP ratio.

In sum: the economic forecasts on which you are being asked to develop a credible plan for reducing deficits over the medium term are a mess. The unemployment and growth forecasts are implausibly optimistic, while the inflation and interest rates projections are implausibly pessimistic and mutually inconsistent.

Good policy cannot be based on bad forecasts. As a first step in your work -- long overdue -- the Commission should require the development of internally consistent, and factually plausible, economic forecasts on which to base future deficit and debt projections.

5. The Only Way to Reduce Public Deficits Is to Restore Private Credit.

The conclusion to draw from the above argument is that large deficits going forward are likely to have the same source as they do right now: stubbornly high unemployment.

The only way to reduce a deficit caused by unemployment is to reduce unemployment. And this must be done with a substantial component of private financing, which is to say by bank credit, if the public deficit is going to be reduced. This is a fact of accounting. It is not a matter of theory or ideology; it is merely a fact. The only way to grow out of our deficit is to cure the financial crisis.

To cure the financial crisis would require two comprehensive measures. The first is debt restructuring for the entire household sector, to restore private borrowing power. The second is a reconstruction of the banking system, effectively purging the toxic assets from bank balance sheets and also reforming the bank personnel and compensation and other practices that produced the financial crisis in the first place. To repeat: this is the only way to generate deficit-reducing, privately-funded growth and employment.

As a former top adviser in the Clinton White House, co-chairman Bowles no doubt knows that privately-funded economic growth produced the boom years of the late 1990s and the associated surplus in the federal budget. He must also know that the practices of banks and investment banks with which they were closely associated worked to destroy the financial system a decade later. But I would wager that the Commission has spent no time, so far, on a discussion of the relationship between deficit reduction and financial reform.

To be clear: unemployment can be cured without private-sector financing, if public deficits are large enough -- as was done during World War II. But if the objective is to reduce public deficits, for whatever reason, then a large contribution from private credit is essential.

One more time: without private credit, deficit reduction plans through fiscal austerity, now or in the future, will fail. They cannot succeed. If at the time the cuts take effect the economy is still relying on public expenditure to fund economic activity, then reducing expenditure (or increasing taxes) will simply reduce GDP and the deficits will not go away.

Further, if the finances of the private sector could be fixed, then an austerity program would be entirely unnecessary to reduce public debt. The entire national experience from 1946 to 1980, when public debt fell from 121 to about 33 percent of GDP and again from 1994 to 2000, proves this. In those years the debt-to-GDP ratio fell mainly because of credit-driven economic growth -- certainly not because of public-sector austerity programs. And this is why the deficits returned, in 1980-2 and in 2000, once the credit markets froze up and the private economy entered recession.

Thus until the private financial sector is fully reformed -- or supplemented by parallel financing institutions as was done in the New Deal -- high deficits and a high public-debt-to-GDP ratio are inevitable. In the limit, if there is no private financial recovery, debt-to-GDP will converge to some steady-state value, probably near 100 percent -- a normal number in some countries -- and at that point the public deficit will be the sole engine of new economic growth going forward. Only when the private sector steps up, will the debt-to-GDP ratio begin to decline.

For this reason, a Commission report focused on "entitlement reform" rather than "financial reform" would be entirely beside the point. Entitlement cuts, no matter how severe, cannot and will not achieve deficit reduction. They cannot "meaningfully improve the long-term fiscal outlook," as required by your charter. All they will accomplish is to impoverish vulnerable Americans, impairing the functioning of the private economy and the taxing capacity of the government.

6. Social Security and Medicare "Solvency" Is Not Part of the Commission's Mandate.

I note from Chairman Simpson's conversation with Alex Lawson that the Commission has taken up the questions of the alleged "insolvency" of the Social Security system and of Medicare. If true, this is far outside any mandate of the Commission. Your mandate is strictly limited to matters relating to the deficit, debt-to-GDP ratio, and fiscal stability of the U.S. Government as a whole. Social Security and Medicare are part of the government as a whole, so it is within your mandate to discuss those programs -- but only in that context.

To make recommendations about the matching of benefits to payroll taxes -- now or in the future -- would be totally inappropriate. Within your mandate, the levels of payroll taxes and of Social Security benefits are relevant only insofar as they influence the current and future fiscal position of the government as a whole. Their relationship to each other is not relevant. You are not a "Social Security Commission" and there is no provision in your Charter for a separate discussion of the alleged financial condition of either program taken on its own. Such discussions, if they are occurring, should be subjected to a point of order.

The usual "solvency" arguments directed at the Social Security system and at Medicare as separate entities are in any event complete nonsense. These programs are just programs, like any others, in the Federal Budget, and the Social Security and Medicare "systems" are thus fully solvent so long as the Federal Government is. Further, as explained below, under our monetary arrangements there is no "solvency" issue for the federal government as a whole. The federal government is "solvent" so long as U.S. banks are required to accept US. Government checks -- which is to say so long as there is a Federal authority in the Republic. This point has been demonstrated repeatedly in times of stress, notably during the Civil War and World War II.

7. As a Transfer Program, Social Security Is Also Irrelevant to Deficit Economics.

Political discussions of "long-term fiscal sustainability" -- including in the Charter for this Commission -- make an economic error when they loosely use the word "entitlements" and suggest that supposed economic dangers of federal deficits (for instance, rising real interest rates) can be reduced by "entitlement reform." As a matter of economics, this is not true.

"Government Spending" -- as any textbook will verify -- is a component of GDP only insofar as the spending is directly on purchases of goods and services. That alone is what economists mean by the phrase "government spending." GDP is the final consumption of produced goods and services, and government is one of the major consuming sectors; the others being private business (investment) and households (consumption).

Social Security is a transfer program. It is not a spending program. A dollar "spent" on Social Security does not directly increase GDP. It merely reallocates a dollar from one potential final consumer (a taxpayer) to another (a retiree, a disabled person, or a survivor). It also reallocates resources within both communities (taxpayers and beneficiaries). Specifically, benefits flow to the elderly and to survivors who do not have families that might otherwise support them, and costs are imposed on working people and other taxpayers who do not have dependents in their own families. Both types of transfer are fair and effective, greatly increasing security and reducing poverty -- which is why Social Security and Medicare are such successful programs.

Transfers of this kind are also indefinitely sustainable -- in fact there can intrinsically be no problem of sustainability with transfer programs. Apart from their effect on individual security, a true transfer program uses (by definition) no net economic resources. The only potential macroeconomic danger from "excessive" transfers is that the transfer function may be badly managed, leading to excessive total demand and to inflation. But there is no risk of this so long as the financial crisis remains uncured. Under present conditions Social Security and Medicare are bulwarks for stabilizing a total demand that would otherwise be highly deficient.

Similarly, cutting Social Security benefits, in particular, merely transfers real resources away from the elderly and toward taxpayers, and away from the poor toward those less poor. One can favor or oppose such a move on its own merits as social policy -- but one cannot argue that it would save real resources that are otherwise being "consumed" by the government sector.

The conclusion to be drawn is that Social Security should in any event be off the agenda of your Commission, as it is a transfer program and not a program of public spending in the economic sense. In particular it does not use capital resources and will not drive up interest rates. This is true whether the "Social Security System" is in internal balance or not.

8. Markets Are Not Calling for Deficit Reduction, Now or Later.

Let me turn next to a larger economic question. Do deficit projections matter? Are they important? Was the President well-advised to frame the mandate of the Commission as he did?

What, in short, are the economic consequences of a high public deficit and a rising debt-to-GDP ratio, and what (if any) benefits are to be expected from creating an expectation that deficits will come down and that the debt-to-GDP ratio will fall?

The idea that US economic policy should aim for a path of reduced deficits in the future is shared by liberals and conservatives, and it is, from a political standpoint, a very powerful idea. The Commission's charter takes for granted that this goal is desirable. It specifies that your objective is to achieve a balanced "primary budget" -- net of interest payments, by 2015.

Yet your charter does not say why this is an appropriate goal. It cites no study to which one might refer. It does not explain why 2015 is the right target date, as opposed to (say) 2025 or even 2050. It does not spell out the economic consequences -- if any -- of failing to meet the stated objective.

Does the requirement make economic sense? I shall tackle that question in two parts. The first accepts the view most people hold of the fiscal and financial world. The second reflects, from an operational standpoint, how that world actually works in practice.

Most informed laymen believe that the Federal government must borrow in order to spend. They believe that the interest rate on Treasury securities is set in a market for government bonds. The markets impose discipline on the government. Thus their idea is that "fiscal responsibility" will produce low long-term interest rates and tolerable borrowing conditions for the federal government, while "irresponsibility" will be punished by higher, and eventually intolerable, debt service costs.

Accepting this view for the moment, what does the present level of long-term interest rates tell us? As I write, thirty-year Treasury bonds are yielding just over four percent -- or just a little more than half their yield a decade back. On the argument just given, this must be an extraordinary success of virtuous policy. It seems that Wall Street has made a strong vote of confidence in the fiscal probity of our current policies. This vote is unqualified, backed by money, contingent on nothing. It therefore represents a categorical rejection, by Wall Street itself, of the CBO's doomsday scenarios and all other deficit-scare stories.

On this theory, it follows that the mandate to reduce the primary deficit to zero by 2015 is unnecessary. Such an action can hardly reduce interest rates -- neither short nor long-term -- which are already historically low.

But wait a minute, some may say. Yes interest rates are low at the moment. But bond markets are fickle, they can turn on a dime. And what then?

Yes, it is possible that interest rates could rise. But the problem with this argument is that it takes us away from the premise of rationality. If bond markets are fickle and arbitrary, who is to say what they will do in response to any particular policy? In the face of irrational markets, the sensible policy is to borrow heavily for so long as they are offering a good deal. One may say that all good things end, and perhaps they will. But if markets are irrational, then by construction you cannot prevent this by "good behavior."

The conclusion from this section is that one cannot logically argue that markets insist on deficit reduction. Either the markets are rationally unworried about deficits, or they are acting irrationally right now, in which case they can hardly "insist" on anything.

9. In Reality, the US Government Spends First and Borrows Later; Public Spending Creates a Demand for Treasuries in the Private Sector.

As noted, the above argument is based on the common belief that the government must borrow in order to spend, and thus that the government faces "funding risks" in private markets. Such risks exist, of course, for private individuals, for companies, for state and local governments, and for national governments such as Greece that have ceded monetary sovereignty to a central bank. But the situation of the United States government is quite different.

The U.S. government spends (and the Federal Reserve lends) in a very simple way. It does so by writing checks -- in fact simply by marking up numbers in a computer. Those numbers then appear in the bank accounts of the payees, who may be government employees, private contractors, or the recipients of federal transfer programs.

The effect of government check-writing is to create a deposit in the banking system. This is a "free reserve." Banks of course prefer to earn interest on their reserves. Thus they demand a US Treasury bond, which pays more interest without incurring any form of credit or default risk. (This is like moving a deposit from a checking to a savings account.) The Treasury can meet that demand, or not, at its option -- it can permit, or not permit, the stock of US Treasury bonds in circulation to increase.

So long as U.S. banks are required to accept U.S. government checks -- which is to say so long as the Republic exists -- then the government can and does spend without borrowing, if it chooses to do so. And if it chooses to issue Treasuries to meet the demand, it can do that as well. There is never a shortfall of demand for Treasury bonds; Treasury auctions do not fail.

In the real world, the government creates demand for bonds by spending above the level drained by taxation from the system. The extent to which those bonds are held locally, or abroad (another common source of worry), depends on the US current account deficit. This also has nothing to do with approval or disapproval by foreign bankers, central bankers, or their governments of American deficit policy. A foreign country cannot acquire a US Treasury bond unless someone outside the United States has acquired dollars to pay for them, which is generally done by running a trade surplus with the United States. And when foreigners do acquire those dollars, then like domestic banks they prefer to earn interest, which is why they buy Treasury bonds.

Insolvency, bankruptcy, or even higher real interest rates are not among the actual risks to this system. The actual risks in this system are (to a minor degree) inflation, and to a larger degree, depreciation of the dollar. However at the moment there is wide agreement that a lower dollar would be a good thing -- against the Chinese RMB and now also the euro. So it is difficult to believe that the goal of deficit reduction per se serves any coherent, or presently desirable, economic objective.

We can conclude that there is actually no economic justification for the target of reducing the primary deficit to zero by 2015 or any other date. The right economic objectives are to meet real problems, not those conjured from thin air by economists. Bringing about a rapid end to unemployment, caring properly for an aging population, cleaning up the Gulf of Mexico, coping with our energy insecurity and with climate change are all far more important objectives than reducing a projection of future budget deficits.

10. The Best Place in History (for This Commission) Would Be No Place At All.

Most people assume that "bipartisan commissions" are designed to fail: they are given thorny (or even impossible) issues and told to make recommendations which Congress is free to ignore or reject. In many cases -- yours is no exception -- the goal is to defer recognition of the difficulties for as long as possible.

You are plainly not equipped by disposition or resources to take on the true cause of deficits now and in the future: the financial crisis. Recommendations based on CBO's unrealistic budget and economic outlooks are destined to collapse in failure. Specifically, if cuts are proposed and enacted in Social Security and Medicare, they will hurt millions, weaken the economy, and the deficits will not decline. It's a lose-lose proposition, with no gainers except a few predatory funds, insurance companies, and such who would profit, for some time, from a chaotic private marketplace.

Thus the interesting twist in your situation is that the Republic would be better served by advancing no proposals at all.

Thank you again for the opportunity to present this statement.

http://www.newdeal20.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/deficitcommissionrv.pdf


The above statement is part of the public record of the deficit commission and is not copyrighted material.


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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:14 PM
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1. If the above paragraph is too long to read...
then let me summarize it to one sentence:

"most members of the Commission are political leaders, not economists."

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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:27 PM
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4. I'd slightly modify your concise summary...
..."most members of the Commission are political HACKS, not economists."

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:38 AM
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14. That sums it up for me.
I do not understand the reasoning behind creating such a partisan commission.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:16 PM
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2. Cogent, well-reasoned and destined to be ignored
But thanks anyway, Mr. Galbraith. How do you feel about the name "Cassandra"?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:20 PM
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3. A pretty stunning indictment well worth the re-read
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:39 PM
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5. Sure is nice to have really, really smart people on our side. Beautiful testimony.
However, I had trouble understanding his fifth point: "The Only Way to Reduce Public Deficits Is to Restore Private Credit."

Can anybody (especially Stock Market Watch regulars) step up to explain what he means here?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:43 AM
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16. Private sector debt is the dealing between non governmental entities...
for example, you and the bank.

Most sustainable economic activity takes place when those transactions occur.

People buy things on credit and companies base their projections on the cost of private debt, credit card debt and companies borrow to finance capital activity and short term obligations.

If the private sector is not willing to lend or borrow, then that whole relationship falters.

Both companies and individuals suddenly became over leveraged when the value of the debt remained the same but the value of assets (homes, plants, stores, basically long term assets) declined so much that many people and small businesses owe more than the value of their assets.

This is why Mr. Galbraith offered the suggestions of a readjustment of asset value through governmental action.

That is the way I see it. I'm not an economist but I am an accountant and I understand the balance sheet fairly well. Entities, be the people or business, can't climb out from under their debt unless their assets and loans are revalued. Otherwise the economy will just struggle along for years until credit defaults and bankruptcy squeeze all that out of the system.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:11 AM
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17. Thanks for the explanation, WCG. If I may paraphrase:
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 07:13 AM by philly_bob
Galbraith says the only way to end unemployment is to fix the financial system, and there are two ways to do this: "The first is debt restructuring for the entire household sector, to restore private borrowing power. The second is a reconstruction of the banking system, effectively purging the toxic assets from bank balance sheets and also reforming the bank personnel and compensation and other practices that produced the financial crisis in the first place."

So your "private sector readjustment of asset value through government action" would be Galbraith's "debt restructuring for the entire household sector," right?

I might add that it is not too surprising that private sector financial institutions are "not willing to lend to lend or borrow" when interest rates are so low. How many of us would lend someone $120,000 for 30 years at 4.5% interest, as I saw at a recent house closing.

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:20 AM
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19. Pretty much the same...
Different phrasing gets us to the same place...
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 10:43 PM
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6. Why aren't people like THIS on the White House Economic Team?
?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:57 AM
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22. Ask William K. Black.
He's the guy who helped straighten out the Savings & Loan fiasco and figured out how to prevent future rip-offs through "Control Fraud" -- criminality on the part of the company's top officers. Sad to write, but Black says, even with the financial reform package, almost nothing has been done to prevent another Wall Street rip-off.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:24 AM
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25. Black isn't the only one saying that.
Chris Dodd, one of the authors of the bill, openly admits that this "historic" reform will NOT prevent another meltdown and subsequent taxpayer bailout.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/194135-from-dodd-himself-this-legislation-won-t-stop-the-next-financial-crisis
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:13 PM
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32. Because they don' represent the sharks on Wall Street.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:37 PM
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45. They only want neoliberal Czechago School Ideologues.
Why appoint fools like Friedman worshiper Goolsbee, when you have talent like Galbraith sitting around.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:55 PM
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47. Because in a heart beat.......
....they would discover the total number of crooks in the current administration. Couldn't have that happening on Obama's watch.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 10:46 PM
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7. 'The Best Place in History (for This Commission) Would Be No Place At All.'
Bravo.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:06 PM
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8. Well, that ought to stop them
not.

They're appointed to do a hatchet job, and they will do it. My prediction is that a lame duck Congress will go along with it.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:08 PM
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9. kik. first important point: the commission is illegitimate for multiple reasons.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:01 AM
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10. kick
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:07 AM
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11. Galbraith BRINGS IT!
K & R or truth to power. Outstanding!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:10 AM
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12. Kick
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:19 AM
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13. K & R
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:42 AM
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15. K & R n/t
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:13 AM
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18. And Galbraith says that we need more comprehensive FINANCIAL REFORM.
There is still too much incentive for profit-making through the Wall Street funny business rather than traditional lending.

The current deficits are largely due to the drop in tax revenues driven by unemployment. People who aren't working aren't paying taxes and aren't spending money. Cutting government spending without increasing private investment (through lending) to increase jobs will only extend high unemployment rates and would have no net positive effect on the deficit.

Sad that the simple logic escapes so many.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:24 AM
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20. I predict the Catfood Commission's response will be
"Facts, we don't need no stinking facts"
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:52 AM
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21. Spot on! Nt
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:08 AM
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23. Fantastic! K&R!!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:12 AM
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24. "no justification for secret meetings"
+10000000.....
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:52 AM
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26. The Deficit Commision is Not what it's Title Implies
in fact I accuse them of being traitors to the working class.
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nightgaunt Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:08 PM
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41. How else would they get on that commission?
These days the crypto-fascists, behind the scenes (wearing "D"'s &"R"'s) as they ply their poisonous trade to bring down this republic and use its own resources against it and us. If your not part of the oligarch's revolution, then you & I are part of their problem. After failing in 1934 with the direct approach (FDR didn't do anything to them), they moved to the all encompassing stealth tactics over the years. Making their open move in 1980 with the "Reagan Revolution" and onward in an unbroken line, regardless of party, to where we are today. In shitsville with more shit (on fire this time) will be heaped on us the next time and last time for the Republic. When the other shoe drops right on us.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:49 AM
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27. Kick
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:35 AM
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28. TKO! Here's the idea I wish I could jam into every American's ignorant head:
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 11:36 AM by FredStembottom
"With high unemployment, high public deficits are inevitable. The only choice is between an active deficit, incurred by putting people to work or otherwise serving national needs -- such as providing a decent retirement and health care to the aged -- and a passive deficit, incurred because at high unemployment tax revenues necessarily fail to cover public spending. Cutting public spending or raising taxes, now or in the future, by any amount, cannot reduce a deficit due to high unemployment. The only fiscal effect is to convert an active deficit into a passive one -- with disastrous economic and social effects."
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:42 AM
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29. Brutally devastating to every one associated with/a party to this insult to the intelligence of a
nation: the eviseration is complete and fully justified in view of the impending moral and real theft of heretofore unreached proportions. :patriot:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:54 AM
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30. One thing I think is missing from the discussion...
what if people don't return to their mass consuming ways?

What if developing countries then become the new targets but unrest or economic failure there causes the consuming consumers to dry up there, too?
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voteearlyvoteoften Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:55 AM
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31. woot
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:44 PM
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33. Bookmarked this thread. Outstanding article. Thank you very much for putting it here.
We at DU owe people like Galbraith a debt of gratitude for calling them on their bullshit.

We ain't all stoopid.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:46 PM
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34. k/r
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:19 PM
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35. The Cat Food Commission has got to be disbanded.
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bkozumplik Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:20 PM
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36. oh hell yes.
I cant recommend this enough. Finally some adult conversation about fiscal policy. Obama should memorize this.

This level of discourse is completely and utterly absent from out public policy and politics. We need it very badly.

Thank you very much for putting it together Mr Galbraith, you're my hero.

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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:22 PM
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37. Hell yeah!
Just read The Predator State. Galbraith would have been a far better choice to chair this commission.
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bkozumplik Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:22 PM
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38. This should be read in total by all of us. not skimmed.
Do the hard work. Its not even that long. Please read the whole thing.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:33 PM
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49. I read it all, carefully and thoughtfully,
and it was well worth the time.

I want to hear Obama respond to this letter. I'm generally not impressed by his speeches. What are the chances that he'd respond, to specifics, and with specifics, in this case?

Not a chance, imo.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:48 PM
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39. Oh, SNAP!
Galbraith is brilliant in his analysis and is merciless in his criticism by merely stating the truth.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 03:25 PM
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40. Fantastic letter. Too bad this will be ignored in the media while they wait for the next fake
controversy - like Park51 - or a missing white girl.

There is no money to be made on people having important information.
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:17 PM
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42. Whew
this is the strongest breath of fresh air to blow through this committee room all year!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:06 PM
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43. Someone tell me again
why we end up with a crap-for-brains commission like this. What political idiocy set this up and just what did the architects of this fiasco think would be the benefit? Seems like rookie behavior, inept and inexperienced and unable to get good advice.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:12 PM
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44. K&R a must read!
Thank you, Better Believe It. :D
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:29 PM
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46. Galbraith is simply one of the more astute observers around.
Thanks for posting.

100% correct about needing to deal with the secrecy issue and about Simpson lacking the intestinal fortitude and intellectual capacity to lead.

I'm reading the rest of his statement now.

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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:15 PM
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48. Send a copy of this to your congressional delegation.
Ask them to respond to each point in detail. When the weasel worded Orwellian double talk form letters written by 20 something staffers with degrees in "communication" come back we can post them. It should be enlightening or at least good for a laugh.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:38 PM
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50. Degrees in communication.
So what might they teach, and what would 'communication' be.

Do they teach how to get some idea into other people, how to move a thought or change a persons own direction.


Is a communication degree, the same as teaching how to stuff things into peoples macros?


Or do they teach the value of accurate information to society. And how to persuade with arguments.



A communication degree could be propaganda training, or it could be training in the need of journalism to be accurate for a society to operate.


Two sides to that also.


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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:47 PM
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51. I'm of the opinion that the ability
to communicate honestly should be an expected benefit of any good education in whatever field and not necessarily a discrete discipline. But, your point is well made and duly noted.
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