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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:18 PM
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RI teachers who were fired had to assemble and listen to their names read out loud.
What a shameful thing to do. This was the Central Falls, RI school in which all the teachers were fired because the school was low-performing. It did not matter if they were good teachers, it did not matter that this was a high poverty area. They just fired them.

This was a high-degree of humiliation for them....having their names called out like naughty children.

Some of them are back at work this year, but they do not yet have a contract. That means they care enough about their work to be there daily not knowing when they will next be fired.

Fired, then rehired, Rhode Island teachers reflect on painful lessons


Dale Dearnley has taught science at the high school for the past four years. Earlier this year, she was fired from her job

Last February, the board of trustees for Central Falls, Rhode Island, voted to fire all of the teachers and staff of Central Falls High School after the school had been persistently labeled as low achieving.

..."In total, 93 members of the faculty at Central Falls High School were laid off. They gathered in the school auditorium and listened to the Executive Board call there names out, one by one. They wore red, the school color, as a sign of unity, but for the teachers it was a demoralizing moment.

..""The people that agreed that I needed to be fired have never been in my classroom, never spoken to me" Dearnley said. "As a matter of fact, my name was pronounced wrong....It was just so devastating to hear all these teachers that have been dedicated and I know and love and their names aren't even being pronounced right. It was devastating," Dearnley added.


The president praised these firings, as did Arne Duncan.

Obama praises firings of RI teachers

President Obama thought it was wonderful that every educator at Central Falls High School was fired. At an appearance before the U.S. Chamber of Commerce on March 1, the President applauded the idea of closing the school and getting rid of everyone in it. At the same meeting, President Obama acknowledged Margaret Spellings, who was President George W. Bush's Education Secretary, because she "helped to lead a lot of the improvement that's been taking place and we're building on."

Well, yes, the President is right; his own education reform plans are built right on top of the shaky foundation of President Bush's No Child Left Behind program.
The fundamental principle of school reform, in the Age of Bush and Obama, is measure and punish. If students don't get high enough scores, then someone must be punished! If the graduation rate hovers around 50%, then someone must be punished. This is known as "accountability."


Interestingly, the superintendent of that district is well-known as graduate of the Broad Superintendents Academy. Where their fellows are in charge, the "reform" is moving quickly...too quickly.

At the time of the firings, the Washington Post's Valerie Strauss made some pertinent comments which I appreciated.

Duncan tried a lot of things during his more than seven years as Chicago schools chief: shutting down schools, hiring experts in turning around schools and firing a lot of people. The results? To put it nicely, there was no Chicago miracle. Some schools improved, others didn't.

That's because grand gestures don't work to improve schools. It would be nice if they did, but time and time again, we've learned they don't. Making schools work is a very difficult job. There is no one thing to blame; there is no single remedy that works for every school or district.

Decision to fire all of RI school's teachers is sad and desperate.


Grand gestures don't work. Massive turnarounds and firings don't work. Education can't be fixed like that.

That the RI teachers at Central Falls had to sit in an auditorium and hear their names called out like that was humiliation....plain and simple.

There has been enough of that now under this administration. The climate has been set by Arne Duncan that makes it okay to show teachers no respect.


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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:22 PM
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1. K&R . There was no Chicago Miracle. nt
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:30 PM
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3. You mean the Chicago Fraud?
The Chicago Stumble?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:38 PM
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7. Yes, I believe that is what I meant.
Thank you for helping me clarify. :)
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:29 PM
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2. Waiting for the detractors to show up...
the anti-teacher, anti-union crowd.

You know, I think it's transference. What else could explain the hatred? Given their unapologetic, unfailing allegiance to the Obama Admin, you think they'd be more supportive of the base. Who were the boots on the ground? The teachers. The more the admin. beats up on teachers with its insane and regressive policies, the fewer teachers will be willing to work for them again, despite the guilt-tripping about electing Palin or 'baggers. Could it be worse?

Thanks for the work you do, madfloridian.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:42 PM
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8. The tactics of humiliation being used against teachers. Why?
I remember when Eli Broad said these words about this administration.

Eli Broad: "with election of Obama and his appointment of Duncan, the stars are aligned"

The election of President Barack Obama and his appointment of Arne Duncan, former CEO of Chicago Public Schools, as the U.S. secretary of education, marked the pinnacle of hope for our work in education reform. In many ways, we feel the stars have finally aligned.

With an agenda that echoes our decade of investments—charter schools, performance pay for teachers, accountability, expanded learning time and national standards—the Obama administration is poised to cultivate and bring to fruition the seeds we and other reformers have planted.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:22 PM
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86. Why does your OP say they "had to assemble?" This was a public meeting they CHOSE to go to.
It was a night time school board meeting.

I don't disagree that it must have been very difficult to hear their names called in a motion before the Board, but I think it is misleading to suggest that the teachers were forced to assemble.

I wonder if these teachers regret turning down the last contract offer in February--apparently they didn't think that $30 an hour for bettering their skills was enough. In a failing school--but I guess it was all about the kids.

Once the union rejected the proposed reforms, it allowed the Superintendent to fire everyone.


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:08 PM
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101. But they were all rehired
Sounds like their refusal to go along with the 'reforms' worked out pretty well for the teachers. They are all still teaching at that school. Isn't that the point?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:29 PM
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110. Really? They don't have a contract, and were rehired under more stringent
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 10:32 PM by msanthrope
conditions than what was originally proposed under the reforms.

And every single teacher lost their tenure. Now, the union is negotiating with a city in receivership.

How is that better for the teachers?


"The agreement lengthens the school day by 30 minutes and requires all teachers to spend one hour tutoring each week. Teachers would be required to eat lunch with students once a week, face a more rigorous evaluation system and undergo up to 10 days of professional development every summer and 90 minutes of weekly planning time after school.

Those conditions are similar to but more stringent than the ones proposed by Ms. Gallo before the firings.

"I hope the rest of the country can learn from our experience and avoid the pitfalls of mass terminations," union President Jane Sessums said at a news conference announcing the agreement. "Cooperation and collaboration are necessary ingredients in school improvement."

Teachers would receive an annual stipend of $3,000, plus $30 per hour of professional development time."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/18/more-duties-for-rehired-teachers/
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:24 PM
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117. So it isn't better to have a job than to be unemployed?
LOL
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:41 PM
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119. that's a statement worthy of the best capitalist.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:05 PM
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130. I can't top that. n/t
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patty2828 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:41 PM
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120. Due Process
Most union contracts do not negate state law when it comes to due process. I sincerely doubt that the local's end of negotiations allowed the "Superintendent" to fire anyone. The superintendent may recommend, but the school board does the firing.
It is my understanding that the AFT got their jobs back. The collective bargaining contract is about salary,benefits, rights and working conditions, if it expired or is at impasse, then teachers are working without a bargaining contract. They still maintain their due process rights through state law.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:55 PM
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131. What does any of this have to do with Due Process? You are completely missing the point.
Edited on Thu Sep-02-10 03:57 PM by msanthrope
How is that not a single teacher-poster on this thread has figured out the massive screwing the teacher's union handed to the teachers at this school through poor representation?

Instead, the focus has been on the great 'victory' won by the teacher's union in getting the teachers 'hired back.'

I hate to break it to you, but Gallo never intended to hire new teachers for September. Hiring 87 new teachers would have cost her more time and money than it was worth--

Her intent was to get rid of the administration, break the union, kill tenure and seniority, and put in reforms on her timetable and at her cost.

Guess what? The union walking away from the table on compensation allowed Gallo to pull the trigger. As I cited downthread, the union played chicken, because they thought Gallo wouldn't fire them--and when she did, they realized that they were SOL, pretty quickly.

So within 3 months, the Union agreed to

1) A complete change of the hiring system.
2) A complete change of the evaluation system.
3) Dropping all complaints about loss of seniority/tenure.
4) All the reforms Gallo wanted originally, and at her compensation rate.
5) Co-principals chosen by Gallo.
6) An efficiency expert who will head the teacher evals.
7) An evaluation process before having termination rescinded.

http://www.projo.com/news/2010/pdf/central_falls_settlement_agreement_0515.pdf

And now, they are working without a contract, because their union has been unable to procure one for them. Gallo has a cowed work force, but one that knows the school, and she didn't have to lift a finger to hire anyone else. Oh, yeah, and because they don't have a contract? I'm guessing no raises....


That some would insist this is a good thing for the teachers--a union victory-- astounds me. I can understand the union tap-dancing, and insisting they've done a great job. And I can understand a few posters here not seeing the forest for the trees.

But Gallo played the union. And the teachers paid for it.







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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:32 PM
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4. Isn't that what used to happen in China?
The names of teachers who committed political crimes were read aloud in public?

I don't even recognize this country any more.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:05 AM
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25. +100
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:00 AM
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29. Yes!
Knew it sounded oddly familiar.

No reason to do this in public except to denigrate and hurt people.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:12 AM
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31. Well, since teachers can mount the most cogent and effective rebuttal
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 05:13 AM by EFerrari
to this fake reform, shaming them (and so, disabling them cognitively to a degree), would be one way to neutralize their effectiveness. :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #31
64. Also disabling their efforts by threatening bad evaluations...
which is done quite often to outspoken teachers.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:18 AM
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46. "criticism" sessions. totally communist government terroristic shit.
we've gone though the lookingglass.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:40 PM
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118. yes named amd shamed...re-education camps coming soon
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 05:17 AM
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126. Oh for God's sake
It was a public school board meeting they didn't have to attend where the results of the negotiations breakdown were announced. It was not "everybody come to the auditorium to be fired".
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:33 PM
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5. They should have just turned into a mob and beat the shit out of the board
Back in the day violence got management to do what we said, so after we got it, we put it away for decades. Time to start busting heads again.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:52 PM
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12. I see you've learned well from the CPC!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:58 PM
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14. Haha
Well, it's true...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:35 PM
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6. There was a video
One of the saddest things I have ever seen. The teachers were all there at the school board meeting, wearing their school t-shirts. Each one stood as his/her name was read. Lots of tears.

I can't watch it again so I am not posting a link.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:43 PM
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9. It would have broken my heart. I don't think I could watch.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:12 AM
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20. It sickens us, but I guarantee that there were anti-NEA folks who watched that video with glee.
"Now THAT's accountability...we'll show 'em what the private sector can do teaching these kids.."

God bless those of you who teach. I couldn't do it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:14 AM
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21. Plenty of cheers for these firings right here on DU
It was sickening.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:38 AM
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32. I remain shocked at the pro-firing support found here among DUers . .
I guess I shouldn't be . . . . some can find a reason to support any corporatist move put forth by the administration.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:15 AM
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48. I remember how badly it hurt to see the support here for the RI firings.
I admit I was surprised. It caught me off guard.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 09:58 PM
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136. It's blind loyalty to the person of Obama. It's disgusting.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:53 PM
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69. Never thought I would be so ashamed
of people as I am of the anti-teacher crowd here on DU. You expect palin supporters to be that way. Sure, if I venture into a republican campaign headquarters or misspend an hour on faux news, I expect the kind of neocon crap that half of DU spouts. Obama really doesn't stand a chance. His most vocal and unthinking supporters are all personality driven. Give them another pretty toy and they will dump him. They have no center. Had Obama campaigned on the platform that the is espousing with RTT, he would never have been elected. He would never had gotten the nomination.

Education is one of those things that would have been better off had mccain won. Then Democrats, including the deluded here, would be storming Washington had mcain tried to do ronald reagan's education program. But since a putative Democrat is massaging the reagan dream, it's okay with everybody.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:50 PM
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10. I have a friend who's trying to get hired as a teacher...but there are no jobs.
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 11:51 PM by earth mom
I asked her if she's worried about privatization of the schools and what it would do to her job chances and she said she wasn't worried at all.

I don't get her attitude. If it was me, I would be worried sick. What am I missing here? :shrug:

BTW, I think what happened in R.I. is horrible!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:52 PM
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11. These teachers are heroes.
I am still filled with disgust when I think how they were excoriated here and also rebuked from the White House.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:54 PM
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13. They were scorned here at DU, and it was sad.
Teachers have become almost an enemy to many here.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:59 PM
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15. Teacher-bashing is the official DU sport.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:07 AM
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17. It's all part of the lurch to the right.
The privatizers realized they could accomplish their agenda more efficiently under the umbrella of the Democratic Party. Humiliating teachers is just par for the course for that crowd. It's the best way to silence and demoralize. Sickening.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:10 AM
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18. It's amazing that DUers are falling for it.
Suckers.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:37 AM
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22. Falling for it?
Or actually working for it...I wouldn't be a bit surprised if interns from DFER had accounts here. Some of the crap I see posted here looks like faxes straight off of central headquarters.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:53 AM
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35. That's why a couple of them are on my ignore list
Their posts are so predictable.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:08 AM
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43. I think I've got them all on ignore now.
It's just not worth getting banned over. If I want to read astroturf, I know where to find it. :D
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:25 PM
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81. ....
I think I have also.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:59 PM
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16. A sad k/r.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:56 AM
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23. Yes, it is sad.
Public humiliation for teachers...sickening.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:12 AM
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19. "...before the U.S. Chamber of Commerce" no less
None to bright to treat important constituencies like this -and then wonder why come the fall, you're staring down big losses.

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:01 AM
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24. Bullying, authoritarian control freaks -- no other explanation. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:10 PM
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79. Yep..
That's about it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:27 AM
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26. Obama supports firing teachers but refuses to fire his own aides when
they fail: Geithner, Summers, Bernanke, Salazar, and the list goes on. All failures. None fired. Obama cannot even bring it upon himself to fire Alan Simpson. It's easy when someone else does the firing. It's hard when you have to do it. Typical Obama.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:56 AM
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36. He talks out of both sides of his mouth
on one hand saying teachers are so important and then OTOH supports wholesale firing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:32 PM
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53. That is a true statement. Teachers are being targeted.
And I see more unrecs are beginning.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:40 PM
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55. +1000
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #26
98. +1
Though there is talk that Michael Bloomberg may soon replace Geithner.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:46 AM
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27. That sounds like a medieval psychological torment tactic! n/t
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 03:59 AM by Mimosa
*edited for spelling*
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:54 AM
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28. did they have to train the people to replace them?
if not, they got off easy
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:12 AM
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30. Even Bush didn't stoop that low.
Fucking despicable. And now they're without a contract. A union-busting steaming pile of Conservacrat crap.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:43 AM
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33. this administratioin loves private schools so much?
Those teachers should pool their resources and form their own private school. Seriously. All teachers should get together, push the privatisation through voucher scheme...and then beat the asshole money-people at their own game by setting up high quality schools without the high-cost administrators running things (into the ground).

Somehow this story reminds me of a certain recent firing in which an American hero was forced to pull to the side of the road and text in her resignation.

They bastards aren't happy with simply leaving us out of work, homeless, etc. They need to humiliate in every way possible.


And this is NOT the change I voted for. I'm very, very sad to see the humiliation I've been subjected to by former co-workers, hiring managers, etc. codified and expanded. x( x( x(
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:31 AM
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38. Several cities have some charters run by the teachers union
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 08:32 AM by Recursion
Look into them; some teachers are doing what you're suggesting. You'd think as much as I see DU's teachers complaining about school system administration they'd be more interested in a school model that doesn't tie you to that administration. Go figure.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:39 PM
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72. Okay as soon as I am finished grading papers, submitting reports that were due Monday,
writing lesson plans and calling parents, if I am not too tired, I will get right on looking into that school model.

The fact that there are none of those here where I live shouldn't matter I guess. So I will start packing as well in anticipation of the move across the country to a charter school that is run by the union.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:06 PM
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77. Here's an example of what happened to charter teachers who unionized
NYC charter school fires teachers via FedEX.

"Ending a relationship via e-mail is insulting, but doing it via FedEx is probably worse.

That’s how 11 staff members at a Queens charter school discovered they’d been fired last Tuesday. Now the city’s teachers union is asking the state’s Public Employment Relations Board to give the teachers their jobs back. Teachers claim that they were fired for protesting the school policies and calling for union representation.

Speaking at a press conference at union headquarters today, UFT president Michael Mulgrew said the firings violated the state’s Taylor Law, which protects workers against discrimination for unionizing.

In 2007, an overwhelming majority of teachers at Merrick Academy voted to make the United Federation of Teachers their exclusive bargaining agent. Merrick became the first of several charter schools to unionize as part of the UFT’s campaign to bring the typically non-union schools under contract.

But since then the UFT and school’s board have yet to reach a contract agreement. Last December, UFT officials held a news conference in front of the school to protest its contract with Victory Schools."
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:29 PM
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78. How about getting a letter taped to your door?
One of the best teachers I know was fired last week and found out by getting a letter taped to his front door.

The district claimed he was not properly certified but he is. It was a paperwork error. And not on his end.

These are the same people who accidentally forgot to pay about half the teachers yesterday. Oops. Maybe we should accidentally forget to go to work tomorrow.

The disrespect we get in real life is bad enough. Now we get to come here and take it as well.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:38 PM
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82. Sickening.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:48 AM
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34. Shame on any Democrat who praises the destruction of Unions...
Especially those representing teachers. Shame!
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. Oh but teacher unions are EEEVIL.
I know 'cuz I read it here on DU.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #37
42. We are witnessing the re-definition of what it means to be a 'Democrat.'
Re-branding into something we once opposed must be good for us in the longterm.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:43 AM
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47. Very good way to put it, Octafish. The "re-definition"...yes.
Exactly. For some it seems so easy to just go along and accept. But....
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:52 AM
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39. It blows my mind that some Democrats actually support this so-called "reform."
This is simply old-fashioned union-busting and privitization. Amazingly these corporatists want to run schools like businesses and foster "competition" but when you look at the real business world - especially the financial sector, when businesses like AIG are run into the ground and mismanaged, when is the entire workforce ever replaced? It never happens. So why in the world would they try it with public schools?

Why do private schools often do better than public schools in terms of standardized test scores? Most are selective admission. The neighborhood public school can't pick and choose who they will educate. They must educate everyone that walks through the doors, no matter what type of home enviornment students come from, no matter whether they have parents or are being raised by a network of relatives, no matter how much they have been bounced around from school to school... whatever, those teachers have to be mom/dad/social worker/psychologist/behavior manager/ and still manage to teach students the standards they need to master. It's a thankless job but most teachers receive enough thanks just by knowing that they made a difference in someone else's life; that they made someone's day a little easier to bear. Nothing makes me happier than when I see former students who are now in nursing school or pursuing other career and life goals that they never thought were possible.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:00 AM
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41. Great post
:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #39
44. +1000
The upside to this is finding really great posts like this from allies for public education. Thank you.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #39
56. Almost all charter schools are open admission
Why do private schools often do better than public schools in terms of standardized test scores? Most are selective admission. The neighborhood public school can't pick and choose who they will educate.

Yup. But since nobody is trying to create private schools, I don't see your point. Charter schools are public and must take all applicants (or hold a lottery if there are more applicants than spaces). And they do roughly as well as traditional public schools by most measures.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:17 PM
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59. And you make the point: charter schools do about the same as public schools.
So what is the point of charters if they don't do much better than the schools they are replacing?

I'm not saying all charter schools are bad. There are a few notable exceptions like some of the Success for All charters and some university lab charters. But those are notable exceptions and often it is hard to get those type of high caliber programs to open up shop in a crime-ridden, tough, south side Chicago neighborhood.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:30 PM
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60. The point of charter schools
So what is the point of charters if they don't do much better than the schools they are replacing?

A) As a way of not being beholden to corrupt/nepotistic/incompetent school system administrations
B) Because charters generally do as well as public schools generally, but parents often have kids in schools that are doing much worse than "public schools generally", and they aren't allowed to switch to the better neighborhood school because they don't live in a better neighborhood
C) Probably the biggest reason: if you've dealt with schools in a place like DC or from what I hear Chicago, you get so absolutely frustrated by the inertia in the administration and -- I'll be blunt here, even though I'll get flamed -- the teachers' union that you just want to blow the whole thing up and start over. A charter is a way to do that on a small scale
D) The teachers I know who like charters like the fact that they have a lot more curricular freedom than in a traditional public, and have the chance for merit pay (though not every charter school does merit pay or has a curriculum significantly different from traditional public schools).

But those are notable exceptions and often it is hard to get those type of high caliber programs to open up shop in a crime-ridden, tough, south side Chicago neighborhood

Well, the Match school in Boston (the latest charter I had anything to do with) is physically located in Allston but only takes kids from Dorchester and Roxbury (those are the "bad" parts of Boston, if you don't know the area). And the school is awesome.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. Oh no they aren't - they cherry pick
and exclude by their admission process. Don't believe the hype you hear.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. I've heard that myth for years
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 01:43 PM by Recursion
And no charter I've ever dealt with has done that, and I've never seen any reports of a school being caught doing that*. Have any proof?

I'm trying to even think of how they could do that; there's not an "admission" process.

* OK, that's not true, one in DC got caught trying to deny a special needs student saying "we don't have the facilities, blah blah blah". But they got caught.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. In what cities have you dealt with charters?
My impression is that different states and cities regulate charters very differently.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. DC and Boston
Though DC's system is screwed 7 ways to Sunday because they don't truly have home rule.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #63
76. The Philadelphia charter admission process is public lottery.
You can go to the school on the day and watch, or many schools give the option of web-cam.

Your application goes in, the lever is cranked, and voila...the only priority given is to siblings.
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #63
138. They can be very different across states/cities...
some have an application process and some are just the public school with a charter where residents don't have to apply but outside the resident area they do.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:55 AM
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40. K&R
This is outrageous. :argh:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:10 AM
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45. Which was more embarassing to them? That...
or the maths scores of their students?
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:31 AM
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49. Wake up call.
To say that they (teachers) had no responsibility in the school's perennial low performance ranking is ludicrous.

The "teachers are not to blame" mantra is getting quite tiresome around here.

As Harry Truman used to say, "The Buck Stops Here."
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:12 PM
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116. Poverty: The Buck Stopped There
Until recently, Central Falls held a “Ripley’s Believe It or Not” claim as the smallest, most densely populated city in the country.

Central Falls is located in the poorest school district in the state.

The median household income in the community at the time of the last survey was $22,628. The median household income in the U.S. was $41,994.

Forty eight (48%)percent of the town's children are in poverty.

Population of Central Falss is 18,928; total foreign born population is 6,645. (2000 Census)

The Hispanic population of Central Falls increased from 29% of the population to 47.8% between 1990 and 2000.

Seventy two (72%) percent of the student body at the school is Hispanic, so English is not the first language for the largest percentage of youth anywhere in the state.

Little more than forty nine percent (49.1%) of the population in the community had a high school degree (compared to the national average of 80.40%).

Central Falls also has the highest foreclosure rate in the State.


http://www.planning.ri.gov/housing/hdbpdf/part1.pdf

http://www.projo.com/news/content/CF_CENSUS_SUNDAY_11-08-09_LUG9DCT_v59.39882aa.html

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 05:19 AM
Response to Reply #116
127. What was the per-student budget for the schools? NT
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #127
132. 35K a year for a prisoner - here are some numbers for students
Central Falls: $14,296 per pupil expenditure 2007

http://febp.newamerica.net/k12/ri/4400120


Given their resources and their kids, they are doing as well as can be expected and better than many other Rhode Island high schools.

If it turns out, through more rigorous multi-year analyses, that Central Falls is efficiently producing its current (miserably low) level of outcomes at its current (relatively inadequate) spending level (at least by comparison with all other Rhode Island High Schools), then one answer here might actually be that Central Falls needs more resources to achieve better outcomes. Why is there no talk of this possibility?


http://schoolfinance101.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/some-statistical-context-for-central-falls/
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #132
137. So, more than the RI state average
This isn't an underfunded district.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #137
140. So, not really
Read the article, it is underfunded considering the type of students.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #49
122. predictable
Its the same people every time. And how much experience do they have teaching in a low-income area?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:56 AM
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50. Interesting. The RI gov will use the jobs money to fill hole in deficit.
This is happening in many states. They are not using the money for teachers' jobs.

http://www.projo.com/education/content/no_ed_jobs_saved_09-01-10_IHJNQSD_v89.22a5c9f.html

"PROVIDENCE –– A new law aimed at saving millions of teaching jobs and protecting school programs across the country may not accomplish either goal here in Rhode Island. Instead, Governor Carcieri intends to use the $32.9 million Rhode Island is eligible to receive to plug an estimated $38-million deficit in this year’s budget.

His plan drew a strong protest from Education Commissioner Deborah A. Gist, Congressman James R. Langevin and representatives of teachers unions and the state’s school committees.

Gist said she is “very concerned that federal aid that’s intended for education is being used to fill a statewide deficit.” She said she has “strongly advocated” that the money be used “for its intended purpose.”

School districts across the state were hoping that more than 400 teaching jobs would be restored or protected after Congress passed the bill in August. Nationwide, the law allocates $10 billion for schools and $16.1 billion to prevent Medicaid cuts."

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:04 PM
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51. I wonder if the administration is so down on public schools because they are from Chicago
I am dead serious. For generations in Chicago the people running things have sent their kids to (mostly) Catholic and private schools. Where do Rahm's kids go? Axelrod? I know Obama sent his kids to one of the toniest private schools.

In the city of Chicago the public schools have been complete garbage for generations.

Maybe they think all public schools are that way.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. But he let the one in charge of Chicago schools spread it nationwide.
Maybe they think all public schools should be that way.

Or maybe it is loyalty to a basketball buddy and not capability that drove Obama's choice.

It's sad to see this happening.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:37 PM
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54. But the awful state of Chicago schools in the 90s isn't Duncan's fault
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 12:40 PM by Recursion
He's not spreading the failures that were happening, he's spreading his attempt at fixing them. (Yes, I understand you think what he's attempting is a bad idea, but he's not spreading the real problems with Chicago's schools which, like it or not, are not the fact that teachers are being fired.)
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Words fail me...
... I do hope you get paid for this level of creativity.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:31 PM
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61. Are you saying Chicago had good schools before Arne got there? NT
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #61
71. Actually, yes. Chicago had very good schools (and still does) before Arne
and Huberman and Vallas and all of the other "CEOs" got there. I (and Michelle Obama, BTW) am a product of one of those schools (Whitney M. Young HS).

There are many other fantastic Chicago schools. What is needed is additional support and interventions to help the local neighborhood schools deal with the additional challenges their respective student populations face.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #61
93. No, I am not saying that. You know damned well what I am talking about.
I am not in the mood for silly strawment excursions.

Have a good day.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 05:09 AM
Response to Reply #93
124. No, I honestly don't
The convo above makes it sound like Chicago's schools were doing just fine, then Arne came along and ruined them, and now he's going to ruin the rest of the country's schools, which are doing just fine.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:03 PM
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58. Disgusting.
And nobody dares to sue over things like this because they are afraid of not being able to get their jobs back.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #58
80. Or they will get a poor evaluation.
That threat is often held over teachers' heads.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:31 PM
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66. "listened to the Executive Board call there names out, one by one."
"there names"??


:eyes:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. That would be CNN...I quoted per rules. Can't change or edit...
or it would not be a quote.

Congratulations on winning the prize today for getting outraged over CNN's spelling while ignoring the bigger issue of teachers being humiliated by Democratic policy.

Ding ding ding...we have today's winner.

:think:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:00 PM
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70. I was merely pointing out a bit of irony.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. It's not ironic anymore
since the media stopped caring about spelling and grammar about 10 years ago.

Not a day goes by that I don't see an error in an article from our MSM. Blogs are more proficient in using our English language.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #73
103. watching CNN's crawl is quite entertaining, if you are in to
looking for weird spellings and inventive grammar
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:51 PM
Response to Original message
74. Big K & R
!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. ...
And a big thank you. :hi:
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:42 PM
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83. Where does it say they "had to assemble?" This was a public meeting they CHOSE to go to.
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 07:44 PM by msanthrope
This was a school board meeting,--at nighttime-- where a list of people to be fired was read before the Board voted.

It must have been hard for them, but to imply that they were forced into the auditorium and forced to listen to this is not borne out by the facts.

And of course they don't have a contract yet--the city is in receivership. I'm guessing having their union turn down the contract that was offered in February didn't work out so well for them...if I remember correctly, the sticking point was over how much these teachers (at a failing school) thought they should be paid to attend training sessions to better their skills.






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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #83
88. Speaking of misinformation, the last eval this school got from the state
showed it had improved.

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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. That's why the turnaround model wasn't the first proposal. The teachers were offered transformation
---an improvement model that would have kept them all. Apparently, though the union didn't think that $30 an hour for training time was enough, and ended negotiations.....


"In a proposal based on federal guidelines, Gallo asked teachers to work a longer school day of seven hours and tutor students weekly for one hour outside school time. She proposed teachers have lunch with students often, meet for 90 minutes every week to discuss education and set aside two weeks during summer break for paid professional development. A spokesman for the union said the teachers had accepted most of the changes, but wanted to work out compensation for the extra hours of work.

The superintendent said the two sides could not agree on a pay rate.

Under new federal requirements for school reform, low-performing schools have several options. One is called the transformation model, which includes a series of changes that teachers agree to adopt.

When the negotiations on those changes failed at Central Falls High, the superintendent switched to another option: the turnaround model, which means firing every teacher at the troubled school.



http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-24/us/rhode.island.teachers_1_teachers-union-troubled-school-reading-specialists?_s=PM:US


I blame the teacher's union--they walked away from the negotiations, and that allowed Gallo to go nuclear.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #90
108. So, you were wrong about this being a failing school.
This was a school that was IMPROVING,
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #108
114. No--3 percent improvement in Math scores meant is was just failing slower.
There was still a dropout rate of nearly half. That's still a failing school, albeit with incremental improvement.

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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #114
123. so when a school is improving
you still label all of its students and staff as failures.

Interesting.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #90
109. Bullshit
I actually got to meet and talk to the president of this union. She complained about the horrific misinformation campaign (that continues right here on this DEMOCRATIC discussion board).

Gallo walked away from negotiations. NOT the union. She walked away, contacted the media and completely misrepresented the negotiation process, making the union look like the bad guy.

Gee, management has certainly never done that before when negotiating a tough contract with labor, now have they? LOL

This summer Gallo was forced to return to the table where an agreement to reinstate all the teachers was negotiated. If these teachers were REALLY all that bad, then why were they reinstated?

There are enough holes in this story to drive a truck through.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #109
115. Why wouldn't Gallo rehire the teachers?
Gallo never claimed that the teachers were bad. But she wasn't going to pay them more than $30 an hour for them to improve their skills.

You met Jane Sessums? What sorry-ass excuse did she give for not realizing that Gallo had the power to fire the teachers? She played chicken with Gallo, and she lost--because Sessums didn't think Gallo would do it:


"Union officials say they, too, want to improve the high school but are unwilling to sign off on the six conditions, especially without receiving additional pay. In a letter, union officials said they do not think Gallo has the authority to fire the teachers and she must negotiate the terms of the reforms.

In an interview, Jane M. Sessums, union president, said the union intends to fight the terminations, although she was not ready to say how."

SNIP

Jan. 11, 2010: State Education Commissioner Deborah A. Gist names the high school as one of the state’s worst schools and in need of closure or complete overhaul. Gallo says she already has a plan ready to implement in the fall. The plan would include a longer school day, more training, more tutoring.


Feb. 1-5, 2010: Gallo and union leaders are unable to reach an agreement on pay issues for the extra work. She says the failure is forcing her to switch to a reform model that calls for firing all teachers at the high school.

Feb. 9, 2010: During a packed meeting, Gallo gives the teachers’ union more time to agree on her original plan.


Feb. 12, 2010 Talks fail; Gallo proceeds with across-the-board firing plan.


http://www.projo.com/education/content/central_falls_teachers.1_02-13-10_A8HEI7Q_v61.3a65218.html


Now, at the end of all this, Gallo has exactly what she wanted--ALL of her reforms, at her price, with the administration she wanted, and the union STILL has no contract, and every single member has lost their tenure. You think Gallo really wanted to have to hire new teachers? Too much effort, when you can get back the old ones who already know the school, and the ropes.



The agreement lengthens the school day by 30 minutes and requires all teachers to spend one hour tutoring each week. Teachers would be required to eat lunch with students once a week, face a more rigorous evaluation system and undergo up to 10 days of professional development every summer and 90 minutes of weekly planning time after school.

Those conditions are similar to but more stringent than the ones proposed by Ms. Gallo before the firings.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/18/more-duties-for-rehired-teachers/


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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:53 PM
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99. Sure. Because we would consider the idea of reading aloud the names of failing students
as barbaric. They have feelings we would say.

So where is it proven that teachers who attend or don't attend a meeting where their 'failings' are noted in the reading of their very personal names is in any way a civilized way of managing what is ultimately a district failure?

Everyone has feelings regardless of what they are paid, in any capacity.

What educational value is there in reading aloud names? None. Sheer freeper shock value.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:46 PM
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84. Recommend
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:59 PM
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85. up
up
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:26 PM
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87. Any administrators' names read out loud?
It seems with fewer teachers they won't be needing as many administrators...
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:31 PM
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89. Yes--the principal, the assistant principals, etc.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:47 PM
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91. How about those at the very top?
Those above the rank of "principal?"
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 05:16 AM
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125. Love those moving goalposts NT
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:57 PM
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92. K&R -- Protect public education . . . stop this destruction -- !!
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RATM435 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:08 PM
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94. tell me again why i should vote democratic
I've had it with democratic party watch they
will cave in on tax cuts for the rich.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:38 PM
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97. Just be sure to stick with liberals/progressives as a voting bloc ....
whatever I'm sure no one wants to go backwards -- we have to find a way

to break thru this corporate lock on both parties!!!

We're being given pre-BRIBED and pre-OWNED candidates to vote for -- !!

We need another FDR -- but I think we're going to have to raise a lot of hell

before we get there!!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:32 PM
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95. Just want to comment on the decades of our hearing about "money being thrown at schools" .....
right now we're throwing money at corporations who are destroying public education --

and for those who don't know this, not all of that money was thrown at our schools --

evidently, "often the Federal Education budget contained as much as 50% funding for the

CIA" -- hidden funds!

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:12 PM
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105. Most of our teacher/union haters here obviously don't understand
how few of those federal dollars actually trickle down to the schools.

For example every year I see the Title I budget increase and yet the funds that go to our schools are reduced.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:43 PM
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112. Yes, isn't that the truth? One year we received $214 for the Title
(now gone from the ESEA) for "innovative schools". Really? I'd have to be pretty danged innovative to use $214 to make any innovations in even my small school (!).
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:38 PM
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96. why did`t they flog the teachers?
i just love the anti union replies in a democratic-left-progressive forum
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:09 PM
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102. It's repulsive
And oh so progressive! Not.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:11 PM
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104. But teachers are enemies of the people, doncha know.

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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:05 PM
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100. I'm giving this a K & R for the picture of that teacher and
her shirt. Made me cry. She looks brave.

And I'm one of those "no good", "corrupt", or "lazy" administrators.

At least that is what I get from reading some of the posts here.

We are all 'no good'. Or at least 'tarred with the same brush'.

It gets pretty tiring to hear.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:16 PM
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106. We educators are all being tarred...
...with the same brush. FWIW, I know some excellent administrators. ;)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:19 PM
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107. Yes, she looks brave.
This is more about the new policy from the WH than about specific administrators. I noted that Gist was a Broad graduate, as that is important to the story.

I have had great principals and district superintendents, lousy ones also. But this is about something far deeper than them....it is about the sudden shift in our nation's policy.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:41 PM
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111. Oh I hear you on the 'shift'. I'm older than dirt, I've seen the
plates shift under the continents (!). I just know that every time the discussion is about teachers and educators on DU, someone jumps in with the generality that the 'lousy, incompetent' or which ever pejorative you'd like, administrators should be similarly 'dissed.

And of course, if they are 'lousy, incompetent' they should be let go. Or 'dissed. Or both.

But I think you know what I mean, sometimes it's "Rodney Dangerfield" night on DU! I meant no negative comment about you or your post! I admire your tireless work in getting the word out here, even if some folks do not.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:46 PM
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113. The whole thing does have a certain show trial quality, doesn't it?
I'm surprised those teachers did not have to confess to reading the works of Goldstein and deliberately infecting party members with syphilis.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 12:37 AM
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121. Indeed it does have that quality.
Like making examples of all the bad teachers of RI.

It was pretty pathetic.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 05:39 AM
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128. K & R
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 12:40 PM
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129. Where is the actual quote from Obama praising the firing of teachers?
Edited on Thu Sep-02-10 12:54 PM by mzmolly
Anyone? :shrug:
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 09:14 PM
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133. Here it is!
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/2/headlines/obama_voices_approval_for_firing_of_rhode_island_teachers


In education news, President Obama has voiced support for the mass firings of every teacher at a public high school in Rhode Island. Last week, all ninety-three teachers and school personnel at Central Falls High School were told they were being fired at the end of the school year because of the school’s low achievement scores and low graduation rates. Last week, Education Secretary Arne Duncan applauded the move, saying school committee members were “showing courage and doing the right thing for kids.” On Monday, President Obama added his support for the mass firings.

President Obama: "So, if a school is struggling, we have to work with the principal and the teachers to find a solution. We’ve got to give them a chance to make meaningful improvements. But if a school continues to fail its students year after year after year, if it doesn’t show signs of improvement, then there’s got to be a sense of accountability. And that’s what happened in Rhode Island last week at a chronically troubled school, when just seven percent of eleventh graders passed state math tests. Seven percent. When a school board wasn’t able to deliver change by other means, they voted to lay off the faculty and the staff.”
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 09:19 PM
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134. Thanks. Admittedly, I have mixed feelings.
I hope teachers and the administration will come to some kind of reasonable agreement soon.

I will say, I'm not a fan of teaching to the test and I think that kids and teachers are under too much pressure to perform in ways that are not necessarily meaningful in the long run. The NCLB stuff needs "change".
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 09:54 PM
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135. This is just EVIL! Arne needs to GO!
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 08:51 AM
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139. I think it's sad and disgusting...
:(

How has it come down to this?
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