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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:33 AM
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Greenpeace: Is the Oil Gone?
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-and-blogs/campaign-blog/is-the-oil-gone/blog/26117

This blog comes from John Hocevar, Greenpeace oceans campaigner.

John HocevarIn a report released on August 4, the Obama administration declared that 74% of oil from the BP oil spill has evaporated or been burned, skimmed, recovered from the wellhead or dispersed. Obama’s Climate and Energy Czar Carol Browner was quoted saying, “The vast majority of the oil is gone.”

But these conclusions are somewhere between wishful thinking and outright spin. The fact is that even this report acknowledges that no more than a quarter has been recovered. A bit more has evaporated, leaving somewhere between 3 and 4 million barrels of oil still in the Gulf and on the shorelines of FL, LA, MS, and AL. This is more than 10 Exxon Valdez oil spills still out there somewhere.

And while dispersed or dissolved oil is no longer in the same form as when it was released from the wellhead, it’s still there, and still causing problems that are poorly understood but likely to be serious and often persistent.

The truth is, we have no way of knowing if the numbers released yesterday are at all accurate. The Administration left out some important details that make it impossible to have much faith in their numbers. In its assessment, NOAA refers to “scientific calculations” and “equations” but doesn’t let us see what those calculations are, where they came from or what data was used in them. So, we submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, seeking details that led to their “disappearing oil” conclusions. Unless this information if revealed, independent scientists will have no way to review NOAA’s methods. No one would be able to re-examine their findings to ensure that the conclusions are accurate. Perhaps NOAA doesn’t want anyone double-checking their math?

This is, unfortunately, not surprising. Many questions have remained unanswered throughout the entire Gulf oil spill disaster and its response. Last week we submitted 27 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to uncover information on underwater oil plumes, impacts to marine wildlife, chemical dispersants and more.

Even if the report’s calculations are accurate, we know that the Gulf will be feeling the effects of this disaster long after the oil disappears from the human eye. Despite the fact that the wellhead appears to have been capped, we must redouble efforts to understand the true impacts of this catastrophe. There is no question that some of the oil is being broken down by bacteria, but this eats up a lot of oxygen. How is this process affecting the Gulf dead zone that plagues the Gulf each summer?

The impact on commercially and recreationally important fish stocks is another huge concern, but so far remains largely unknown. Of further concern is the impact on Gulf food webs. Oil and dispersant has been observed in plankton, which moves quickly up the food chain to whales and whale sharks. Even more poorly understood is the impact on the deep sea. Cold water coral reefs and the sponges and anemones of the sea floor provide habitat for many species, but very, very little exploration has yet been done to investigate the health of this critical part of the Gulf ecosystem.

These are many questions that still need answers in the wake of this disaster. That’s why next week, the Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise will begin a three-month expedition to support independent scientists’ efforts to research the impacts to the Gulf’s ecosystem and marine life.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:49 AM
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1. we are seeing the TRIVIALIZATION of the disaster and if you're not deeply concerned/offended
you're not paying attention.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:16 PM
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4. It is unbelievable that we have exactly that occurring on this site.
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 01:43 PM by HCE SuiGeneris
I find it unconscionable.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:38 PM
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5. remember when everyone was mocking the bumper stickers reading "Bush said it. I believe it. That
settles it."

turns out more than a few were amused or irate over the fact that it was Bush the sticker was talking about, not the demented worldview or warped logic thereof...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:47 PM
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8. Accepting the SCIENCE that says a lot of the oil has evaporated isn't unconscionable.
What I'm seeing is a large number of DU'ers who invented a narrative and refuse to accept information that disrupts it.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:59 PM
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10. There is trivialization of the damage that has occurred, and will occur.
And, I still find it unconscionable.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 03:07 PM
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12. Okay. I can't argue with that. Have a great Sunday!
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:50 AM
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2. yeah...
All that has evaporated has merely rained out over the midwest from Texas north to Wisconsin. Thanks a lot BP... I used to have an organic garden.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:43 PM
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6. some experts in My Gulf State have said the Fallout will go to the Rocky Mtns.
in the form of rain and snow!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 12:21 PM
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3. No One said the oil was all gone. Twenty five percent was always
estimated as remaining in the water. The day the pipe
was capped.-- they said we would continue to see it probably
come ashore in form of tarballs.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:44 PM
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7. I have alligators with tits for you! eom
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:48 PM
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9. So you only believe Science when it agrees with your invented narrative.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:48 PM
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11. I believe science that shows its facts, and proves it's statements and Theories
not a bunch of blind bullshit that no one can see how the answers were supposedly concluded! Especially when it comes from our government who has been involved in a cover up from the Get go!

from a gulf resident ..who is fed up to the eyeballs in the cover ups and lies from Both BP and our government.

Oh and by the way..BP has scooped up and paid off as many scientists and lawyers as they can in the Gulf region.

Oh and What government agencies have been involved in the cover ups?

let me list them for you..

Homeland security

The Coast Guard

FAA

NOAA

Local police in many cases and areas

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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:17 PM
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14. Agreed. We cannot blindly believe the "science"
just because someone says we should. Science is about proof and peer review, which we are not seeing. We don't even know how many "scientists" were involved in the study of the gulf. Oh wait, has there even been time to do a study?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:14 PM
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15. report, study...
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 08:15 PM by G_j
has anyone actually seen what they are referring to?
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:42 PM
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17. I can't find the exact post that I was looking for, but this one
talks about that study.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8894561

I saw the study online at NOAA that is cited in this story, all five pages of it. No one can determine whether they are using science or spin with what is available. Here is the NOAA story.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100804_oil.html

You are welcome to follow all the links to try to find where they even got their numbers.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:53 PM
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18. great
just starting to browse through. Much thanks!

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:41 PM
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21. thanks for posting that info! eom
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:40 PM
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19. + 5 million gallons of oil! you got it!! eom
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:40 PM
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20. absolutely! eom
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:55 PM
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22. Ludicrous
"Twenty five percent was always estimated as remaining in the water."

that's ridiculous

by who and how was that "estimated"?

BP government lowballers with POTA numbers?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:07 PM
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13. K&R
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:08 PM
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23. K and R

""But these conclusions are somewhere between wishful thinking and outright spin.""

how about bald faced lies?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:16 PM
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24. k and r
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