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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 07:57 PM
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Arizona's law was never going to solve the problem of illegal immigration. That is not its purpose.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/30/AR2010073002675.html

Instead it is an invitation to a shootout in which there will be no winners. It is more of a provocation than an attempt to enact policy, and as a protest against Washington's failure to fix a broken immigration system, it resonates.

The authors of Arizona's SB 1070 set out to accomplish two main goals: They wanted to attack legal precedents that have given the federal government almost total say over immigration matters since the 1890s under a doctrine known as "preemption." They argue that Washington has failed to control illegal migration, so states should have a chance. They also wanted national attention for their solution: a strategy they call "attrition through enforcement." The idea is that if illegal immigrants constantly fear arrest by state and local cops, they'll leave the country on their own. By promising a crackdown in defiance of Washington, Arizona achieved both objectives as soon as the law became a national controversy this spring.

Nearly two dozen state governments have contemplated copycat measures, and support for Arizona has become an article of faith for Republicans on the campaign trail. Democrats are scrambling. That makes sense given the public opinion polls showing broad agreement with the Arizona law and its get-tough approach. A Pew survey in June, for example, found that a solid majority of the public (64 percent) approves of the law, with its requirement that police verify the immigration status of anyone they stop if they suspect that the person is in the country illegally. Several other recent national polls show majorities supporting SB 1070. But the policy challenges in immigration are never single faceted, and the public knows that.

Perhaps more than other issues, immigration requires balancing multiple interests and objectives: satisfying both employers and workers, being both fair and strict, for example. As a result, public opinion can seem ambivalent. The same Pew survey that found backing for Arizona also showed that more than two-thirds of Americans (68 percent) support a path to citizenship for illegal migrants who pass background checks, pay fines and have jobs. That's not much different than other Pew surveys going back before the recession. Indeed, a majority has been saying for several years that it wants to see illegal immigration brought under control, but not with harsh measures. The recession has increased anxiety about getting this done, and Arizona offered a vehicle for expressing impatience with Washington's bipartisan dithering.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:02 PM
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1. Actually it is JUST like Mexico's Law
And Mexico has a law that is no different from Arizona's that empowers local police to check the immigration documents of people suspected of not being in the country legally.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-05-25-mexico-migrants_N.htm


Damm those Pesky Facts
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:09 PM
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3. And you really, really don't see the difference between checking papers in Mexico
and in Phoenix?

That's amazing, really.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:15 PM
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5. The difference you glossed over is how easy it is to obtain the proper documents
Edited on Sun Aug-01-10 08:17 PM by Xipe Totec
If it was as easy to become a US citizen as it is to become a Mexican citizen, there would be no illegal immigrants in the United States.

http://www.banderasnews.com/0508/nb-mexcitizen.htm

Damn those pesky facts.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:03 PM
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2. Our current immigration law preserves low wage, low skill jobs for American born
and flings the door wide open for foreigners to take high skill, high wage jobs.

How stupid is that?
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:14 PM
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4. Its purpose is to divert attention from the economy
Edited on Sun Aug-01-10 08:14 PM by Catshrink
AZ's economy is in the toilet, as are many other state's. But it's exacerbated by the extreme partisanship of the Legislature - the RW is Libertarian ideologues who manage to get elected but have no clue about governing. It's all tax breaks for business which has helped increase deficits and run the state economy into the ground. There is no innovation, no ideas for bringing industry to Arizona. While they cut taxes to lure these ephemeral businesses, they destroy what might make Arizona attractive to real businesses.

No...when the economy was good no one cared about immigration here. The immigrants are just targets for people's frustration and is a cyclical thing -- Germans, Irish, Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese...
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:18 PM
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6. Let's be clear - the PURPOSE of the law is to prevent as
many dark-skinned as possible from VOTING, through intimidation! Nothing more than a pathetic attempt from the wingnuts to preserve their power.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:40 PM
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7. We have our WINNER!
The white racist hope is that brown people will not outnumber them as they know they are due some payback for decades of abuse of people of color. They fear loss of control and want to stop people from voting.

It is also a great little money maker for the GOP down there.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:54 PM
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9. yup...the republicans have lost the mexican american vote.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 09:53 PM
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12. They still have the Cuban-Americans.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 08:43 PM
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8. (68 percent) support a path to citizenship for illegal migrants
And we havent learned a thing from Reagan doing that.

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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 09:07 PM
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10. Dem-75%, Ind-71%, Rep-56% in favor of a path to citizenship.
18-29: 76%
30-49: 70%
50-64: 65%
65+: 57% favor a path to citizenship.

Among Democrats:

...Conservative/Moderate - 71%,
...Liberal - 80% in favor.

White - 65%
Black - 69%
Hispanic - 83%

Male - 66%
Female - 70%

Majorities of all groups support a path to citizenship, but support is weakest among older white male republican or conservative Democratic voters. Similarly support for Arizona's law is strongest among older white male republican or conservative Democratic voters.

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 09:23 PM
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11. Thanks for the brake down
My thoughts are that the path to citizenship will once again be rightfully sold as the compassionate move it is, but knowing DC it will be laden with enough loopholes to once again lead to another inrush of migrants to further the demands for cheap labor by business interests, much the same as back when Reagan gave them amnesty.

We cant keep playing this game, at some time in the future we have to admit it needs to stop, that rewarding people out of a sense of compassion only teaches those who come later that they themselves be rewarded if they follow the same path.
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