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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:03 AM
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THis just cracks me up "friends" who can dish it out but cant take it!
I have friends I have known for over 20 years. They are even Godparents to one of my daughters. AND they are REPUBLICANS to the extreme. Ever since President Obama was elected I started getting these Liberals are Traitors, Christians wrote the constitution bullshit inflammatory e-mails. They know my political feelings WHICH I NEVER bring up and only discuss when they start the conversation.

So I ignored and deleted and ignored and deleted until finally there was one that was so bad that I went to Snopes.com, got the info debunking it did a reply all and said, "Please do a little research before forwarding inaccurate and divisive e-mails that incite violence and please don't send any more of them to me."

Well the next week my "friend" forwards this stupid "cute puppy Jesus loves us all" thing that has NO mention of liberals or anyone being bad at the bottom says IF YOU DON"T WANT TO READ THIS JUST DELETE IT.

So I e-mailed her back and said. "I don't mind if you send something like this to me (even though they make me gag, I was making a point) I just find it offensive when you send me things that perpetuate the lie that people who believe as I do are somehow less American than you are. I'm sorry if you felt I was harsh.

Well, I haven't heard from her since. So I just figured she needed cool off time. I mean we have this friendship that has been forever! She was in my wedding, was at the hospital when my kids were born was the one friend who was there the day my mother died, she was the only one I would see when I was going through cancer. I mean this is not some little silly casual friendship.

So I invited her and her family to my oldest daughter's 15th birthday party and they aren't coming. They have NEVER missed it in the past. And when she cant come she always calls or e-mails and lets me know what is going on and this time NOTHING. So I get what is going on.

What the hell! I mean SERIOUSLY?

So I am going to let the friendship die because if that is all it took then that is just too bad. It really bothers me and saddens me though.

But where the hell to these people get off that they can be as insulting as they want repeatedly but when you push back even just a little they are SO INCREDIBLY OFFENDED?????
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:05 AM
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1. "god" has given you a gift, accept it and be grateful lol nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:07 AM
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2. They can't handle being told they may be wrong.
My parents are very conservative and I have learned to just avoid all arguments with them. To give them credit, they rarely get into it with me either. They know I will fight back.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:18 AM
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13. Everyone should stand up to conservatives and put them in their place.
When you do, watch how quickly they start attacking President Obama. Their arguments are always weak at best.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:58 AM
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35. X1000 being "nice" to conservatives
has done a lot to get us in the mess we're in right now.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:07 AM
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3. Classic "can dish it out but can't take it". A real friend wouldn't insert politics
into a friendship unless both friends wanted to discuss it. I have let longtime friendships die over friends' Republican bullshit. It makes me not like them anymore, truthfully.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:07 AM
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4. Yep Here it comes
Lost several friends over the last 10 years, and one is hanging on tenuously.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:35 AM
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73. I have a best friend of 30 plus years
that I am in the same position with. We were roommates when in our twenties and I thought I knew her inside and out and come to find out she is a racist. I can't believe it.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:08 AM
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5. I don't mind having conservative friends--a respectful back and forth can be great fun
But what you describe sounds like a one-way (abusive) relationship to me. Good riddance--not because they're conservatives, but because they don't respect your opinions and your right to express yourself (a right they take for granted.)

That said, I never completely close the door on an old friend. Maybe one day they'll see the light?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:48 AM
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29. Good answer.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:14 AM
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41. Yes and it shows more than ever
that they are upset about ANY Democrat EVER getting in office. And if you don't believe what they do they fly off into never never land. I wouldn't worry. They aren't worth it.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 03:03 PM
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51. +1000
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:10 AM
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6. They are being taught this and it is reinforced every week.
They are told that they are responsible for bringing sheep into the fold. This is reinforced through repetition and social pressure. Good people, who only wanted to be good Christians, are being slowly pushed toward extremism. I consider it brainwashing. Sorry about your friends.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:32 AM
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22. Brainwashing from radio trash talking from the right
I wonder how much or how long the brainwashing would last if Fux got knocked off the air...
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:13 AM
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7. I've noticed the same thing arguing with old friends who go to tea party events.
They'll write horrible insulting things about liberals and insult me personally if we engage in any debate. But as soon as I say anything about the issue (not the person, just the issue) they go into fits about being attacked and insulted. It's exactly what the talk radio hosts do.

I think what they're insulted by is being proven wrong. They're offended by being made to feel stupid for believing the crap they hear on Fox.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:26 AM
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19. Been going on a long time " im a kreestian' and they persecute
then act like they are being attacked while they are really sticking the knife in you..

Having a time with my mom because she remarried a fauxnoize fan and she has started spewing that stuff at me..I don't even want to talk to here now. I have even steered conversation to corporate sponsorship of Dick Armey and his vile connections to both corpses and the 'iranian tourists'. and really tried to keep it on getting corporate $ out of our elections and public funding of campaigns that way We have a say. Then she veers back to waht billo or beck said...
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:14 AM
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8. Tell your friend about the Jefferson Bible
Written by Thomas Jefferson. He went through the Bible and deleted all the bullcrap miracles leaving the moralistic aspects.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:15 AM
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9. Sorry to hear that...
...it must be hard, given that she has been a very close friend of such long standing.

I think part of it is that for years, these people have lived in an echo chamber where their views are reinforced by everyone around them. And Fox News of course. The Democrats and liberals were on the run for so long, or at least so it seemed. Certainly our leadership and the Blue Dogs did what they could to reinforce the echo chamber's received wisdom that this is a "center right" and "religious" country.

So now when you push back they just see it as rude. I mean, how could you even question these things? How, ... uncouth.

These are people who really do not want to think; rather, they want to be told what to think. They put it all together in an internal narrative, that has to do with God (their God), "morality" (for the little people), "personal responsibility" (for the little people), etc. In that narrative, they of course have made all the right choices, so they're all set. And then along come the naysayers who dare to question, who believe facts matter, and who have basic disagreements about priorities. And it makes them uncomfortable, since they were all set and knew what was "right" and what was "wrong".

Sad to say but you're probably better off. Maybe she'll come around, who knows. The friendship must mean something to her too. Hopefully she can apologize and drop the political stuff. If not, tough beans. You certainly don't owe her an apology and should not consider one, even to keep the peace. You are right to let her go, if that's how it has to be. But it's gotta hurt.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:45 PM
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64. Perfectly stated. I agree with every word........
nfm
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:16 AM
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10. That's a description of the entire Pug Party! Think about it. In congress, in the MSM, and of
all politicians & advisors can dish out the nastiest lies you can imagine, but let ONE DEM WITH A SPINE say something about them, they all get crazy in unison! Look at how they defiled Alan Grason for being clever enough to think of the soundbite "The Reoublican solution to health care is DON'T GT SICK, AND IF YOU DO, DIE QUICKLY."

It's a shame your friendship didn't mean as much to them as it did to you.
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Lebam in LA Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:16 AM
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11. Same thing happened to me
Only it was my sister. She kept sending me the right-wing propaganda emails. I ignored most but couldn't ignore the one she "accidentally" copied me on one that was only supposed to go to her "group think" friends, calling liberals the scum of the earth and Obama the most corrupt politician ever. I replied all and attached the "Now you get mad" list of Bushes crimes. She then proceeded to tell me that I hate her (don't) and that I am no longer her sister. I haven't heard from her since.

They just cannot stand anyone questioning them or even trying to have a civil debate.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:16 AM
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12. Meet new people.
I refuse to have assholes in my life, no matter the length of time that I have known them.

Real friends don't push their warped political views onto others.


And if she can't see that calling you a Liberal Traitor is hurtful, there is something very wrong with her anyway.

She is the one destroying the friendship, deliberately.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:19 AM
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14. I've been through the same thing
It amazes me how people feel free to send you their political bull$#!t, but if you respond with anything contrary to THEIR views, you have hurt and insulted them forever.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:19 AM
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15. Proof of weakness, hence they hide. No one knows what strength is anymore.
The ability to do what is right for its own sake, in the face of whatever opposition, without reward and that includes the rewards of social conformity.

Some people claim The Truth makes them strong and yet they cannot handle even the slightest challenge; this is proof that they are weak and, ergo, not very True. They expect unquestioning unreasoning respect and give none. Everything about them is contradictory, even what they call their "Faith".

I know because there are many such in my family. I'm sorry that all of us have mis-handled these relationships so that they have devolved into alienation. I would change that if I could.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:22 AM
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16. She feels you've insulted her very being. Seriously. I know, I know...
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 10:25 AM by Solly Mack
But she doesn't feel that she's insulted you in any way...only that you were just too sensitive. See? It's not her...it's you. It's not that she's insensitive to your feelings...it's that you're just too sensitive and need to get over it. If you sent her a quote a day from a famous atheist or liberal with the tag-line, "IF YOU DON"T WANT TO READ THIS JUST DELETE IT", she would be very angry with you....for imposing your views.




When she was sending you all those other emails, she felt you should take them and read them because what you believe is wrong...whether she said it or not, she thought it....she was just being "helpful" - to you...but when you dared to show her how wrong her "facts" are, she didn't just see it as you refuting an email...she saw it as you refuting her...personally....and everything she believes. You not only rejected the email/ her "facts", to her thinking, you rejected her as well.

And even though that wasn't your intent, she doesn't see it that way.

That's fairly standard with some right wingers/republicans.




I'm sorry this happened. That's a long time being friends.

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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:25 AM
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17. Your friend must be my sister-in-law.
I'm serious. Does this "friend" live in Mississippi?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:26 AM
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18. usually it takes a divorce for a BFF to dump you.
except for the politics, sounds exactly like my best ex-friend.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:28 AM
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20. My wife's uncle sends me RW email all the time
Rather than confront him, I just have him marked as spam. I'm not sure if he believes everything he sends, but I'd rather not know how much of an asshole he is. Actually, he's a pretty decent guy.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:31 AM
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21. Reminds me of this:


This is a pretty common reaction, it seems.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:32 AM
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23. If they go to some wingnut church, there's more to this
because just being a right wing nut wouldn't do it for your friendship over a slight push back. Throw in a god and Armageddon and a Rapture and all the other heaven versus hell bullshit, and the psychosis is complete and could account for losing important people in your life over a polite request.

I know it hurts, but there is nothing you can do beyond being there when the brick wall finally falls on top of them.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 08:13 PM
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65. I always appreciate
your take on things Warpy. You usually get right to the meat of the matter. It's called skipping steps (all the mish-mash inbetween). Just really just wanted to say thanks, since I'm not much of a poster, just a reader, and I can always count on you.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:33 AM
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24. It's been over a year
since I pushed back after tolerating years of right wing talking points from my cousin. In her mind I just didn't love our country or God because I supported Obama. I finally told her to stop sending me all the crap emails and since that was all she ever sent me I haven't heard from her since. So be it.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:36 AM
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25. I'm sorry about your friend -- I have family members who are similar
They will make all kinds of snide, offhand comments about Clinton (back in the day) or Kerry or Obama or the liberal media or whatever, but if I respond with anything other than a chuckle I'm "picking a fight" or "can't take a joke." :eyes:
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:16 PM
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60. I'm on the verge of losing a longtime friend over politics as well
He's the only Conservative in my (very) politically aware circle of friends. And when we all get together we talk politics - the latest we saw on Maddow, SB1070, whatever. It's what we do. Well, he's decided that talking politics with people you disagree with is the ultimate in rude behavior, he shouldn't have to be treated to our opinions in a social situation. So he's now making a point of being insulting, abrasive and downright racist on any political discussion on my Facebook. Of course once he's called on it, it's always, "You PC liberals, you can't take a joke."
My wife has already decided he's not allowed in our house anymore, and I honestly can say I don't disagree with her on the call - I don't have the patience to put up with his BS anymore. We've been friends for almost 35 years and he's swallowed the Tea Party line completely. It's a shame.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:36 AM
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26. My younger brother
is lost among that crowd. He's retired Navy and an ordained minister, so any disagreement with him constitutes anti-troops unAmerican anti-Christianism. It breaks my heart.


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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:37 AM
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27. I've had the same thing happen to me twice now - with people who weren't
especially close friends, but people I had socialized with for years. Those people (the Republicons) are ready to kill to take "their" country back, make no mistake. We are headed for another civil war, I'm convinced of it.

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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:39 AM
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28. It makes me said that this is happening to our country.
It used to be playful ribbing between parties; now it's serious. What kills me is how passive-aggressive they get in their emails. I was reunited with a friend recently. We decided to communicate by email. I told him at the beginning that I DON'T discuss politics with friends and family. He likes to send those lame "send to all" jokes. That's fine with me; some of them are even funny. Lately, though, they've become political jokes, and guess who the butt of the joke is? When I reminded him that I don't discuss politics with friends, he acted hurt that I would think he was being political! He's been doing it for a couple of months, so it isn't accidental. I told him that I'd reply to anything that wasn't political and that I'd just delete the rest. I haven't heard from him since. I'm 58 years old, I've follwed politics since Vietnam, and I've never seen it this bad. There used to be unspoken rules about these things. I'm afraid they're gone and I don't know what will happen to all of us. I miss the days of friendly neighbors and the feeling that we were all in the same boat. I hope to see that kind of civil behavior again before I die, but I'm not counting on it.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:40 PM
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68. I'm 52, and agree it does seem far worse to me as well
We've had democrat presidents and republican presidents.

But we've never had a black president. Some people I know come right out and say this is the reason they feel their way of life is threatened; others dance all around the issue and say their uncivil, unthinking and mean behavior has nothing to do with Obama being black. But it is the only difference I see. Honestly, every time I hear the bullshit line that they merely wish to "take their country back", I realize that to them, they really never saw all the people out there that didn't look like them. And their anger just represents their sudden ability to look around them and see that our nation is filled with lots of different people who are asserting their right to happiness, and a livelihood, and the same basic rights that the former majority have.

I think this threatens people in a way I really didn't expect it to - there was a lot more simmering under the surface of our society than I'd imagined. And I am fine with it all boiling over now - sometimes you have to open up a wound that is scary in order for it to heal.
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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:52 AM
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76. I love your last sentence. So true.
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 04:52 AM by zanana1
I do think there's some racism at work. I also think that if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, they'd hate her because she's a woman. White men have had their way for hundreds of years in this country. If you're 52, you know the opening them song to All In the family when Archie Bunker sings "guys like us, we had it made; those were the days".
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 07:42 AM
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77. Agree that hate would have flown freely for "that liberal woman" had Clinton been elected
but these haters do love their Caribou Barbie. So if a woman is presented to them correctly, ie a hood ornament kind of sex symbol, they seem able to get over their dislike of women in power (probably because they imagine that some man will step in behind the scenes and tell her what she is supposed to do). Probably less hate would be shown for the woman over the black guy, because they are familiar with, and expect to have women around; whereas they do whatever they can to not be around black people if possible.

I hadn't thought about that show in years - sums up the perspective of these folks perfectly. I actually had people in my family like that, so I found the show depressing and was always waiting for Archie to come to ruin or be put away for life. Given his world view, I guess a guy like that was already living in prison of sorts. Now that I am an adult, I think the show was genius for putting that out there esp. at that moment in history.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:53 AM
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30. I ended contact with my vet shipmates from Vietnam in '04 because of this
I had linked up with them after 30 something YEARS and it was a ring of us and we communicated for a couple of years, but politics became dominant and ALL of them were wingnuts who totally hated KERRY. For a long while I replied and "debated" (it's futile to debate) and finally I told them off and ended it.

Rampant in their arguments were the memes that one or several of them had grown up Dem and had been Dem until they saw the light, mostly the RAYGUN light and that both parties are the same and Rethugism is the lesser of the evils. Those are the SAME rationalizations we hear time and again.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:55 AM
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31. I am sorry for your pain.
People like this woman are dead from the inside out. As soon as you can understand that it is their country , their god and their Constitution you will be a lot happier. These folks think they are the great Americans while they pull our country apart at the seams. Intelligence and open-mindedness is not one of their strong points. My family belongs to this club and it is very sad. I mean it when I say that I am sorry for your pain because it does hurt to have people that you love dissolve into a sea of ignorance feed mostly by FOX news and local churches. Take care.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:56 AM
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32. I am sorry for your pain.
People like this woman are dead from the inside out. As soon as you can understand that it is their country, their god and their Constitution you will be a lot happier. These folks think they are the great Americans while they pull our country apart at the seams. Intelligence and open-mindedness are not their strong points. My family belongs to this club and it is very sad. I mean it when I say that I am sorry for your pain because it does hurt to have people that you love dissolve into a sea of ignorance feed mostly by FOX news and local churches. Take care.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:57 AM
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33. I don't remember where this quote came from....
But, "When a dog turns rabid, you need to stop inviting it into your home, no matter how much you loved it before."
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:58 AM
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34. It is saddening that such an old and deep friendship should be torn...
up over some silly political nonsense.

But, I've seen this before, and it's not just politics where it happens. There are some people who just cannot accept any form of criticism or what they see as judgment. Or, something just strikes a nerve and sticks with them. Mention their job performance, personal habits, appearance, sports ability, dancing... It is very possible to lose a lifelong friend over some perceived slight.

I don't have an answer, but I wish I did. The thought of crawling back with apologies I find somewhat offensive at times like this, but sometimes sucking it up and being the first to make a peace offering works.

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:01 AM
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Thank God that I don't have conservative friends or family
Saves me a lot a aggravation
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:01 AM
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36. I have lost quite a few "friends" because of email crap....
I debunk and they cry foul and then they say they never knew how political I was...

Hello, I ran for office three times and I let everyone know I was a democrat and yet they still felt compelled to send me this crap.

I point out an inaccuracy and they get all snippy.

Fuck 'em...
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:04 AM
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37. It's hard to lose a friend
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 11:06 AM by yellerpup
especially one you trusted the most. Remind yourself that it is her, not you, who is trashing the relationship over an 'artificial' issue. That won't help, I know, when you want to share your latest, best news with her but at least you won't be blaming yourself. A close friend of mine was called a jew-hater recently because he mentioned to a Jewish friend (of 40 years, no less)! that the Israeli's had crossed the line of sanity when they attacked the Turkish rescue/relief boat last month. After the anti-Semite card the door slammed shut on this long term relationship. Sad and bewildering occurrence for both you and my friend, but you will be less stressed if you stay clear of haters. (No matter who they used to be).

Edit to erase qualifiers
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:05 AM
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38. Some have said here this kind of person can't stand it if you question their beliefs,

and I'll go along with that. But I think there's more to it.

There's this unbelievable arrogance they have, which IME many evangelizing fundies have to. The mindset that:

"I'm perfect and you're an idiot, and if you don't believe EXACTLY what I believe, you're wrong and YOU'RE the one that's the problem (not taking into consideration that the belief might be asinine anyway.)."

Also, many of those described here are being abusive. I had some relatives do this sort of thing about a decade ago--in a non-political context, they were just being abusive and trying to control me, as well as some other relatives. When people realize they're not going to be allowed to get away with that crap, they'll stop, at least stop doing it with those who stand up to them.

I think most of the time their cutting off contact is a juvenile way of trying to control you.


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mercuryblues Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:10 AM
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39. my story
I have a friend for over 20 years that all of a sudden started sending me the snarky anti everything e-mails. I ignored the first few, but one was so outrageous, that I replied with facts, links then associated the claims it was making to her own life. I never once stopped asking her to sending them to me. As a matter of fact, I asked her to keep sending them to me, so I could reply. From then on I replied to each and everyone with facts, links and how the truth would effect her in a positive manner. She stopped sending them to me on her own.

As an example one was about the "welfare queen" myth. Because I have known her for so long, I know for a fact that she has received welfare benefits occasionally. Her daughter was on them at the time. I simply asked her how it felt knowing that is how other people viewed them while they were on the benefits. I really thought it was the end of our friendship.

I think she got the message and stopped forwarding them altogether. I still get the cute puppy types from her.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:32 PM
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75. we knew a guy who was a rabid republican type with most
of these ideas, but the funny thing was, of his many children many of them were on welfare of some sort. He had children who were of low IQ, not actually developmentally delayed, but just not average smarts, so they could not support themselves. Especially as they got little guidance or help from their father. and some on welfare because they had children and no husband. But still he hated the idea of some person somewhere who was using his hard earned taxpayer money to sit around on welfare. Oh, and did I mention he cheated on worker's compensation at least once, pretending to be hurt at work, but I believe that he believed he actually deserved it. Then there are the religious types who think that their place in heaven is in danger if Obama is in the White House, or health care is passed. Crazy ideas.But that is republicans for you.
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happy_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:10 AM
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40. They cannot fight with logic so they get all emotional and shut you down
Fear Fear FEAR is the tactic they use to get people all worked up and unable to think straight.

On top of that, I think they are being brainwashed...remember the subliminal messages that were a little too obvious during the Bush campaign "RATS"...They have gotten better at it.

Has anyone listened to Limbaugh and other radio talk shows...before every commercial break there is this strange 45 second noise that ends with a big zonk. Every freaking time. Can't imagine why it's there. Whenever it starts I consciously say to Rush "you are a fucking lying blowhard" to make sure none of it gets in my brain.

Speaking of Rush and why I listen sometimes to hear the other side...a few days ago he was talking about how tax cuts work every time! They fix the economy every time!!

It is just amazing to me after 8 years of tax cuts, they do not see that they didn't work?

Rush says this to his listeners and they cannot use even very basic freaking obvious logic to see that is what Bush did and it didn't work?

There is something terribly wrong with these people's minds. No one is that illogical...seriously....
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 01:09 PM
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45. They listen to Rush because they don't WANT to think for themselves
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 01:10 PM by Love Bug
They think it's all too complicated for them so they depend on others -- boss, minister, parents, pundits, etc. -- to do the thinking for them. It's like they have elected these people to represent their mind, just as we elect politicians to represent us in government. That way they can just opt out of their responsibility as citizens to PAY ATTENTION and decide to watch American Idol instead.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 12:14 PM
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42. The big powers
Are thrilled to keep us mad at each other instead of mad at the powers in charge. The oligarcy that runs politicians, media and public opinion.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 12:36 PM
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43. I've lost a friend this year too. She has turned crazy style repub and cannot handle that i don't
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 12:37 PM by krabigirl
agree with her on banning homosexuality, etc. She gets so offended that i disagree with her that she stopped returning my calls. Meh, with friends like this, who needs enemies?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 12:46 PM
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44. It is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person
They answer I've seen most to Snopes is that it is a left wing site, and it doesn't debunk anything they believe in.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 01:34 PM
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46. I don't think it does crack you up, I think it hurts
and I'm sorry for that.

My sister is a right winger but doesn't send me crap like that nor do we discuss politics too much. Every once in a while something will come up but normally we know to avoid politics as we love and actually like each other too much.

I hope she wises up and realizes what she is losing with you.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 02:21 PM
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47. you have my sympathy
i had a friend for almost 50 years. We were friends when we were tiny children. We grew up in different states, but kept in touch
Right before the last presidential election she started sending me the incredibly nasty emails about ragheads and the like.
I also debunked her email and she sicced her older brother on me (who is a parsimonious knee jerk conservative creep) and
essentially chose him over me.
I mourned the loss of that friendship. But it had become poisonous and you must cut it off before it sickens you too.

good luck
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 02:28 PM
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48. These people have officially gone nuts. Friends or not.
I have encountered similiar problems with my own family. We have always been tight, but my wife and I being the only liberals at the get togethers has suddenly resulted in us not seeing the invites anymore.

What a sad state of affairs when it gets so batshit crazy that it tears at the fabric of friendships and family ties.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 02:54 PM
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49. Simple rule: If it orders you to "Delete it!", it's RW authoritarian crap.
I reply back (t all of course) that it's not my responsibility to delete their bullshit. It's their responsibility to not send bullshit. I also tell them that I don't take orders from e-mails senders, no matter who it is.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 03:02 PM
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50. i ESPECIALLY like to debunk with reply all when i'm ordered to delete if i don't agree! n/t
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 03:34 PM
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53. It's like a challenge, isn't it?
"You're telling me to do what? Let me show you what I think of your orders."

Whenever I see that "Delete it!" BS, I react like Marty McFly when someone calls him Chicken.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 03:04 PM
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52. Let it go. I had to with an old friend and I could care less now.
Why do you want that poison and hate in your life anyway?


I have another friend who calls herself an "R" but she is sane and rational and I really think she is more a centrist than anything else.

She thinks Palin is bat shit crazy and that the tea baggers are whack-so we're on the same page there.

I think and hope that she is slowly but surely waking up and seeing the "R"s for what they REALLY are these days-fearmongering, sociopathic assholes!
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 03:49 PM
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54. Sounds like my life
All though politics was never mentioned among my friends until Bush destroyed this country.
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MerryBlooms Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 03:54 PM
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55. Same situation here, but with family
Once you call them on the bs, the fold like a cheap suit and bail, or worse - 'When you're older, you'll think like I do'. I'm 47 fricken years old, if I ever think like 'you', I'll throw myself off the roof, repeatedly ... it's only a bi-level, so it may take a while ... but I'd crawl up that damn ladder until the end. lol
Oh well, what's a few less beneficiaries among family? *sigh
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 03:59 PM
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56. are you sure it's not my sister?
OR MY IDIOT FREEPER BROTHER?
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 06:58 PM
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57. Snopes will shut down stupid emails from ANYONE
We have a friend who couldn't BE more liberal, but she sends a lot of crap emails - never politics - mostly having to do with made-up stories about pets and about woman's safety.

Several times I have email her a link to the debunking of her nonsense on snopes - "swiffer kills pets" "men are putting tapes of crying babies on porches and then killing/raping women who come out to help the 'baby'" "there's a secret number you can dial on your cell phone to alert the police that you're being attacked" etfc.

Like you, I reply ONLY to the sender, not reply to all. And yet still she got offended, and stopped sending me crap. Good riddance.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:08 PM
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58. My very conservative relatives tell me Snopes is just left-wing
bull, and say that even that can't be trusted. Told me that truthorfiction.com is fairer and is not run by liberal nuts. So now I have to do even more research to debunk their crap. Jeez. But this is still really sad for you. I'll pray for you. )
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:11 PM
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59. The right's answer to everything
The facts must be lies. The media must be librul. How can the facts debunk us??? WE ARE RIGHT!!!
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:31 PM
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61. It's why I refuse to join Facebook
I don't want to know how many of my friends have become right-wing assholes.

I was in an e-mail circle with some folks from college. One of my friends had become born again, after she got married and had a kid. In college, this girl was drunk all the time, had a new man (or men) every other night it seemed, and finally we had to stage an intervention before she flunked out or worse. She shaped up and graduated on-time, but there was none of this "God saved me" stuff at the time. Suddenly she started sending us e-mails about how becoming a Christian was the only way to be saved and how her life was a mess until she found Jesus. We noticed she added her husband and in-laws to the circle (it supposed to be just people who all knew one another, no outsiders), almost like she was putting on a show for them. She also started the political bullshit during the '04 campaign, which we had all agreed to avoid after 2000. One of my other friends finally called her out after a particularly self-righteous rant, simply saying there was no mention of God or Christ "that night we found you on the pay phone" (an allusion to the intervention) which I'm sure her husband or in-laws wouldn't get. She flipped out, saying this is why Christians and Republicans feel persecuted in this world, because liberals are cynical heartless monsters and that she felt sorry for all of us who were going to suffer in hell. That was the last we heard from her.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 08:44 PM
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66. Heh Facebook is like that on steroids, I think you made the right call.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:38 PM
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62. This reminds me of my wife's situation..........
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 07:47 PM by socialist_n_TN
except it was her family that pretty much dropped out of her life because she got into and argument about choice about 10 years ago (Gore/Bush) when her Grandmother was dying. Everything was fine before that, but apparently that caused them to disown her. Sad.

Edited to correct dates and places.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:42 PM
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63. If you say that water is wet, they will beg to differ.
I think they may fantasize that there is a magical star power in the rude words of their heroes and heroines of the Harsh Right.

That may account for the stunned reaction.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 08:50 PM
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67. The people who push the politics against the insistence of others are the ones in the wrong.
Regardless if they are liberal or conservative, although this is behavior I pretty much see among the right wing. I can't recall a single instance of friends/relatives on the left push their politics on friends on the right who are trying to avoid talking politics. I'm sure it must happen but at a much, much lower rate.

You can disagree. But to push opposing political views on people who you know to disagree and have expressed the desire to avoid conflict over politics is plain disrespectful to the other person. For these righties it's a one way street. It's fine if they trample all over you, but you push back even a little (heaven forbid expose their idiocy to their whole mailing list) and you're the worst person in the world, lol.

If people are unwilling to respect your boundaries then they have forfeited the basic currency of friendship. Sadly people change. Most often I find it's marriage to someone who's a wingnut that changes them, or a couple decades watching FOXNEWS.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:50 PM
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69. This is another illustration of why one should avoid being "friends" with Republicans
If they don't treat you like this first- they'll stab you in the back at some point down the line.

It's just their nature.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:00 AM
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70. Pretty much the exact thing happened to me recently.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 08:03 AM by OnionPatch
My cousin, who is a fundie, keeps sending me these outrageous emails, which I mostly just delete (after gagging.) The last one was about how Obama was secretly a Muslim and he wants to turn us all into Muslims. :eyes: I replied to all. I was very polite, sent a Snopes link, etc. Now I don't hear from her, EVER. She's always known our whole family is liberal, we just tried not to go there in the past. I never sent her any political email, not even back in the Bush days, because I know she's firmly on the whacka-doo side of the political aisle, so why does she think she can send that stuff to me repeatedly? It's just downright rude. I'm sorry to hear your friends blew you off after insulting you with the email, but it doesn't really surprise me. Republicans have really gone off the deep end these days.
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Lesleymo Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:04 AM
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71. Happened to me, too
The same exact situation. Insulting, derogatory emails ... finally, a response from me ... total disbelief and "hurt" on my "friend's" part ... and now complete silence.

What the heck? I never sent anybody insulting, derogatory emails when Bush was president. Maybe I should have!! I'm currently in the market for some new friends. I'm trying to be more selective this time.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:50 AM
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72. If you correct them you're no fun, if you say it's orchestrated attacks, you're a conspiracy nut.
Heads we lose, tails, the RW wins.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:14 PM
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74. Facebook has been revealing
I have an acct that I almost never use. One day last week I logged in and a girl with whom I graduated HS (haven't seen since graduation 35 yrs ago), and who was on my friend list, fwd an invite to a group called "I'm An American And I Don't Want To Have To Press 1 To Speak English". So I

1. Posted on her wall "Right! We should all speak Apache! Wait. Is that what you meant?"
2. Unfriended her.

I have suspended contact with many "friends" for their ignorant, fascist politics. You'll get over it.
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