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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:15 PM
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I believe the Toronto G20 protest riot was handled properly by police
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 12:19 PM by glarius
I watched all the coverage of the G20 protests and my feeling is that the police did the sensible thing by deciding not to rush the black clad thugs as soon as they started acting up. If they had done so, I'm sure this would have precipitated a full blown riot (which is what the thugs wanted), with many serious injuries and perhaps even deaths, as there has been in the past at other such protests. Although there was some property damage and the destruction of some police cars, it could have been much worse.
I think the police were in a situation where they would be second guessed, no matter what they did. It's inevitable that among the thousands of policemen, there were a few who over-reacted, but overall, I think they did an admirable job.
Remember.....no one was seriously hurt or killed!
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:19 PM
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1. I couldn't disagree more
I don't believe an intelligent person can watch the video from the weekend, and read the accounts of people who were there, and conclude that this was not a police riot.



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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:20 PM
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2. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 12:23 PM by glarius
....and I do believe I am an "intelligent person!"
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:23 PM
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3. I agree.
It was a difficult situation, and the police did the best they could to protect the public. Of course there were mistakes made, and there was property damage, but all of this is the result of holding it in the centre of a large city. Canadians should be blaming their PM for that decision.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:26 PM
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4. Exactly....our PM was asked not to hold it there but refused
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 12:29 PM by glarius
to listen to the Toronto mayor and others who suggested the Exhibition grounds and other more appropriate places. The problem is we have a control freak PM who listens to no one!
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:29 PM
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8. Very true. The problem is
with Stephen Harper.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:26 PM
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5. Exactly....out PM was asked not to hold it there but refused
to listen to the Toronto mayor and others who suggested the Exhibition grounds and other more appropriate places. The problem is we have a control freak PM who listens to no one!
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:27 PM
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6. Exactly....out PM was asked not to hold it there but refused
to listen to the Toronto mayor and others who suggested the Exhibition grounds and other more appropriate places. The problem is we have a control freak PM who listens to no one!
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:27 PM
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7. I think they incited the violence...
:popcorn:
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:32 PM
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9. Watch these videos, then tell me how cops weren't provocateurs
The 5 most important videos from the G20:

<http://this.org/blog/2010/06/28/g20-5-most-important-videos/
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:29 PM
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10. what a BILLION dollars for "security" will buy -- rounding up journalists is not "properly handling"
the situation in my opinion.



Naomi Klein: On the Violence outside the G20 Summit
Democracy Now



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NAOMI KLEIN: ...
And the context for this is really frightening, because the police are feeling really cornered and feeling like they have to justify something which is completely unjustifiable. And that is the price tag that they put on what it would cost to provide security for the G8 and G20 summit. Security for this summit cost, as you mentioned, an estimated $1 billion. Just to put that in perspective, it’s more than security has ever cost for any summit ever in the world. And, you know, Canada is not a country which has a history of terrorist attacks. So, it isn’t at all clear why they felt they needed to spend such a huge amount of money. As a point of comparison, at Pittsburgh G20 summit, the price tag for security was $100 million.

So you went in less than a year from a $100 million price tag to $1 billion price tag for security, with no explanation. And as Canadians started to learn about this, they became rightfully very, very angry. And the police were under a lot of pressure to explain why they were treating this summit that Canada was hosting essentially as a cash grab. Basically what happened is they were able to buy all kinds of new toys, water cannons, sound cannons, you know, all kinds of high-tech stuff. But the real cash grab was overtime pay for the police. I mean, they were absolutely extravagant in their overtime demands, unyielding. They said, "If you want security, this is what it costs." So, before the summit started, there was a public opinion poll that was conducted that found that 78 percent of Canadians believed that the cost was unjustified.


So, what happened on Saturday, when you saw those burning cop cars and windows breaking, was what I can only describe as a cop strike. Essentially, they were just letting it happen. And people were watching this, not understanding why, for hours, the same police car was just allowed to burn. I mean, these guys had just bought themselves a brand new water cannon, and yet they couldn’t seem to find themselves a fire extinguisher.


Now, while that was happening, media outlets were getting press statements. And I’ll just read you one. This is from the Toronto Police Department: "All you have to do is turn on the TV and see what’s happening now. Police cars are getting torched, buildings are being vandalized, people are getting beat up, and the so-called 'intimidating' police presence is essential to restoring order." In other words, the police were playing public relations, overtly. They were saying, "OK, you’re telling us our price tag was too high. We’re getting in political trouble for our outrageous demands. So now we’re going to show you this huge threat that we’re up against." And so, we have a police commissioner named Julian Fantino, who’s now started to talk about activists as organized crime. He says it’s not enough to call them thugs, they’re organized criminals. So, what’s dangerous here is that in order to justify their own unjustifiable actions, they need to overinflate a threat.


And so, that has played itself out in two ways: one, by allowing what happened on Saturday to happen with almost no intervention; and then—that was stage one—and stage two was using that inaction as justification for scooping up hundreds of other activists, beating up journalists, just going on a rampage.

Now, it they were serious about getting the people who had broken the windows, they would have done the arrests there at the time. But that’s not what they’d done. They went to other parts of the city. They waited hours. And that’s who they arrested. So, I feel very, very worried about my friends who are in jail right now, because—because I think there’s nothing more frightening than, you know, a police force that feels the need to justify itself in this way and using these young activists as their political cover. And, you know, I think it’s a very dangerous situation, Amy.


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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:30 PM
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11. most of those "black clad thugs" were police officers
And how sure are you that "no one was seriously hurt"?

I hate sycophants.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:58 PM
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12. I'm soooo tired of all these ridiculous conspiracy theories.
We would have heard of it by now if anyone was "seriously hurt."
I said before in another posting that we wouldn't have had the problem we had if our control freak Prime Minister had listened to Toronto's mayor and others and not held the G20 meeting where he did. There are many other places that would have been more appropriate and easier to safeguard, but Harper listens to no one. I can't wait for the day when we vote him out of there. I have nothing more to say on the subject.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:00 PM
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13. completely disagree
I watched hours of the CBC coverage and it was clear to me the police handled it horribly.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:13 PM
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14. There were apparently no serious injuries. So that is the most important thing.
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