I dont Think its Necessary for DUers to have to Explain why they Support the President.

[MadBadger]

Just wanted to say that.

[cliffordu]

1. +1

[Iggo]

2. It's not, I find it weird that they think they have to.

[Fading Captain]

3. You're of the opinion

that people should follow their leaders and not ask questions.

Like 80 percent of Americans.

Democracy takes another hit.

[msongs]

5. now now, as the Lennon lyric goes, "All You Need Is Faith" lol nt

[MadBadger]

7. No, I'm of the opinion that I shouldnt need to explain why I support the President on DU

[jp11]

11. You are right but I think if we want to have discussions

on a discussion board it helps to explain yourself, most importantly when the discussion calls for questioning said support.

[Joe Fields]

23. could you please explain why you don't need to explain? lol

[MadBadger]

26. Because this is Democratic Underground. And the Assumed position is support

[Joe Fields]

27. I see you have definitely "assumed the position."

[MadBadger]

28. Good one

:eyes:

[dipsydoodle]

4. They do so,

quite understandably ,to counter those who don't.

[MineralMan]

6. But, they're free to do so, and should whenever they please.

I'll keep doing that, thanks.

[WCGreen]

10. Yea, I wasn't wading into the frey but now I am...

I don't mind criticism because that is what we democrats do...

But for people to go on and on about why Obama hasn't changed the world by now is just silly and shows that a lot of people have unrealistic expectations and lack historical perspective.

I am fully aware that this stems almost directly from how the last president acted while in office and also what the last president actually did.

But anyone who has studied politics should know that it is much easier to rally people behind the "no" than it is to convince people to change their way of life.

It is also really easy to take advantage of an attack to institute massive change. It's much harder to undo those changes when the people don't see a problem with what was done.

[zipplewrath]

12. You make unsupportable assumptions

Your position comes from an assumption that Obama would like to pass much of the legislation people would want, but can't. It isn't really apparent that is true. He fights for things that aren't popular around here and brags on Fox that he rejects progressive ideas. He does things he campaigned against.

The conclusion from much of this is easily that he is doing roughly what he wants to do, not that he is unable to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. He campaigns for people such as Specter and Lincoln. He isn't forced to, he makes those choices. He chose the cadiallac tax over other more progressive taxes. No one is forcing him to make these choices, these are what he WANTS to do.

[WCGreen]

16. Every one of my assumptions is supportable since I have been working in

the political realm for a good part of my life.

I actually earned a living working behind the scene for largest democratic organization between New York and Chicago.

And if you really knew anything about what goes on in the political world you would understand that Specter and Lincoln are incumbents that still will be there after the primary's are over. A full eight months where they will be acting on legislation whether they win or loose.

Honestly, you tell me when was the last time a successful president went out and worked against incumbents in his own party.

This isn't high school student council this is real politics with real implications where people have to marshal often hostile members to their side.

And what do you really know about Halter except that he was able to say anything without any real consequence. Being the Lt. Governor of a state usually means your actions impact absolutely nothing so that you have no need to watch what you say.

I don't agree with president Obama 100%. I also don't agree with him 90%. 80% or even 70% of the time.

But I do know that he has got to deal with all the crap that has been building up over the last 30 years or so.

I really feel sorry that you get your undies all up in a bunch because Obama picks his battles carefully and that he goes on Fox News and says an unfortunate comment.

[zipplewrath]

20. Calm down

I suggesting that your assertion that he is being forced to do things he doesn't want to do was unsupported (it was) and potentially is as easily refuted as supported (which it is). We are discussing the motivations for his actions. Technically neither of us know. What I am suggesting is that at some point one has to acknowledge he's generally doing what he wants to do, not what he has to do.

[WCGreen]

21. I think he is doing what he can do, given the make-up of the party and his opposition

I have calmed down I just lashed out because I was in a mood, vicadin in the morning before posting is not always the best idea...

I apologize.

[zipplewrath]

22. I'm dubious

I find it hard to believe he's going to get to the end of his administration and write the book that says he didn't get to do any of the things he wanted to do, he just passed whatever congress dreamed up. At some point, he's getting things the way he wants them, at least to some point.

He wants to continue to fight in Afghanistan.
He wants to continue to fight in Iraq.
He wants to avoid a complete take over of health care by the government
He wants to be able to hold people indefinitely in a Gitmo like facility.
He wants to drill for more oil in the Gulf.
He doesn't want the Volker rule.
He really does prefer Cadillac taxes to more progressive ones.

He wants these things, or at least "believes they are the right thing to do". These things aren't being forced upon him by congress or the people. His choices, his decisions. Heck, he's fighting congress on these things to some extent.

[SidDithers]

14. Rec for this post...

well said :applause:

Sid

[hfojvt]

8. yes you do

I have submitted an FOIA request for that information.

[depakid]

9. Not one of those signs that looks too promising in the scheme of things, that's for sure

Doesn't exactly project a lot of confidence.

[zipplewrath]

13. Or don't

That river flows both ways.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Okay. So now you've said it

Thanks for sharing.

[LWolf]

17. Is it necessary for anyone to explain why they support anyone or anything?

Maybe not. But that kind of makes political discussion irrelevant, doesn't it?

[dhpgetsit]

18. Support for a leader is not a black and white thing.

I support certain goals and policies.
I support a candidate that supports more of those goals and policies above the candidate that does not.
Am I making any sense?

[Tailormyst]

19. Why would you think you have to?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

[Joe Fields]

24. Anyone who takes a position , for or against an issue or issues...

had a duty to outline just why they have taken a particular stand, if they are entering a discussion and want to be taken seriously by their peers.

[ScreamingMeemie]

25. I don't think it's necessary for DUers to slam on other DUers who

are not "quite" happy with the administration.

I don't think people with 12 items should be allowed in the 10 items or less lane (even if three of those items are identical cans of peas).

I also don't think either of those things is going to happen anytime soon.