Enough about Elton -- Let's talk about James Carville attending Limbaugh's wedding

[emulatorloo]

At least Elton got paid $$$$, he'll probably do something good with the money.

http://www.page2live.com/2010/06/05/rush-limbaugh-hitched-again/

<SNIP>

Among the dozens of giant bouquets of white roses, the famous faces lit by the glow of hundreds of candles included those of: former Bush White House weasel Karl Rove; former presidential hopeful and Law & Order star Fred Thompson; former Kansas City Royals slugger George Brett; Fox News talker Sean Hannity; former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani; New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft; former Clinton White House weasel James Carville and his wife, GOP analyst Mary Matalin; and golfer Tom Watson, among others.

<SNIP>

I got that link from monmouth's thread:

Some of the Guest List at Rush's Nups. No surprises....LOL....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8497894&mesg_id=8497894

As Pirate Smile said in the thread "No surpise - Carville was there."

ON EDIT: formatting, snippet, link, other stuff because I can never get it quite right on the first post.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

1. Carville's always been part of the sham D.C. culture

as embodied by his marriage to Matalin.

They may pretend to be enemies, but, at the end of the day, it's a all cigars and back-slapping

Carville, the DLC, the Clintons, Rahm and their ilk are every bit as bad as Palin and Newt

[spanone]

2. carville is a celebrity loving pseudo-democrat. what a dreadful room of thugs.

[mod mom]

3. Well they both helped to get * into the WH so they have something in common:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[emulatorloo]

23. And then the WH called Ken Blackwell and got him to lie about the # of provisional ballots

Thanks for posting that for others in the thread to see. I WILL NEVER FORGET OR FORGIVE THAT.

[mod mom]

26. I think his intent....

was for personal power in 4 years. I really believe he thought Hillary was the anointed one for the democratic party. This is why he doesn't have a problem blaming Obama for the BP/Halliburton/Transocean disaster.

[Faygo Kid]

4. Carville's a joke. He laughs at us true liberals.

All the way to the bank.

And Watson can go to hell, too. And to think I felt bad when he lost the British Open last year.

Good riddance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. I grew up with Tom Watson

I was pretty good friends with his brother who was a very liberal Democrat. Tom has also supported many good causes and forced a country club here to abolish its no Jews policy.

I'm going to let his past deeds and philanthropy outweigh his attendance at Rush's wedding.

[babylonsister]

5. How precious. nt

[Beacool]

6. He probably was invited because of his wife.

It would be highly amusing to hear Carville's off the cuff remarks about being in the lion's den.

:D

[jillan]

7. I'm sure that's why he was there. Carville is no fan of limpos.

[saracat]

8. Exactly.

[blm]

14. wrong...Carville's been friends with Limbaugh for almost 20 years....and NOT just because of Mary.

Their friendship may have started when Limbaugh was at Carville's wedding, but, it didn't end there.

[saracat]

37. And I assume you can provide proof of this statement?

[blm]

41. why pretend, saracat? I've always been a keen news observer since the 80s and

I came out of denial about certain factions in our party long ago.


One can tell when one is truly enjoying the company of others. Like the joy GHWBush and Bill Clinton have when they're together versus the polite civility when it's Clinton and Carter.

Luv ya saracat, but, pretend ain't working for this country anymore.

[Catherina]

49. In other words you made it up. n/t

[blm]

51. nope....I've seen clips of Rush and Carville together more than a few times over the years...and

there is no reason to pretend they are NOT friendly.

Of course, you may have an alternative reason made up for why Carville did what he did in 2004(see mod mom's post) you can share.

[Catherina]

53. Good one. Let's blame Carville now for Kerry's cowardice.

I need more than a book written as a novel. Woodward's books never have sources and this is little more than a rumor.

Leaks happen all the time. Even if true, nothing Carville allegedly said to Matalin should have changed anything. If that's what prevented Kerry from contesting the election than Kerry is lamer than I thought. John Edwards was incredibly angry that Kerry CAVED so soon. Kerry conceded because he has no backbone.

Like it took Carville's *leak* to set Blackwell in motion to start tossing ballots. Let's blame Carville now for Kerry's cowardice.

The whole thing is rubbish anyway. Carville wasn't involved in Kerry's campaign and Wooward is a Bush shill who concealed his role in the outing of Valerie Plame and went on TV for months smearing other people for his own crime.

Bob Woodward The CIA's Very Own 'Deep Throat'.
Nice source you got there.

[blm]

55. What a crock...Carville has been confronted about what he did and he didn't give a rat's ass

that he was caught over it.

Kerry's cowardice? There were no ballots to challenge BECAUSE they were tossed on Carville's 'information' to WH....and with no way for Ohio Dem party to prove they existed ....that was the OHIO Dem party's weak infrastructure....weak and collapsed long before 2004.

You have a wrongheaded view of how election logistics work state by state if you think a Presidential candidate has that type of control. They don't.

[Catherina]

57. No intelligent person is going to give a rat's ass about innuendo

from a paid CIA shill. Kerry was a quivering coward. Edwards was ready to fight but Kerry caved. Stop blaming anyone else for Kerry's assinine concession.

[blm]

58. You base your view on an INTERNET MYTH re Edwards. HAHAHA...try again, Carville apologist.

Edwards was arguing about WHEN to concede...he wanted to wait till morning...and it was campaign people he was arguing with, not Kerry...Kerry agreed with Edwards and waited till next morning and ONLY AFTER the math was against them.

It was the SLOWEST concession in election history.


Gore conceded when he felt he couldn't make up the 50,000 vote dif in Florida....when the math changed he UNCONCEDED. Kerry waited till the next morning to concede with a 150,000 vote dif. But so many kneejerkers prefer myth over reality.

[chimpymustgo]

60. blm, that is not a MYTH. I heard it right after the election from SOMEONE IN THE ROOM.

I know you love Kerry, and he has done some admirable things in the past, but he completely caved in Boston on election night. Sorry. It's true. Edwards (for all his fucking faults) wanted to FIGHT. Kerry backed down. It's a FACT (that we've all had to suffer from).

[blm]

62. Edwards wasn't arguing with Kerry - it was someone from the campaign, and Kerry agreed with Edwards

to wait till morning.

Sorry, but, that argument in the room that your friend overheard was Edwards arguing with a campaign official and was all about not conceding that NIGHT and waiting till votes were counted of those who had waited in line for hours. And again...Kerry sided with Edwards to wait till morning.

And, furthermore, there WAS a recount. Unfortunately, that recount was done by OHIO'S rules for recount. GOP crafted recount rules that Ohio Dems allowed to stand because they had been powerless for over a decade in that state. Ohio was stolen in a way that would sustain a challenge. And that still doesn't change what Carville did to ASSURE Blackwell's action of tossing ballots before a challenge could be launched.

And....Edwards had the opportunity to back that internet myth when asked by a number of Carolina papers, and he would NOT. And I know that to be a FACT, as my husband was working for Observer at the time and the political editor, who had a close relationship with Edwards, was part of our circle.

[Doremus]

68. Cuyahoga County election board staffers were found guilty of tampering with the recount.

They served prison time, may still be there for all I know.

Here in deepest blue Cuyahoga County, the neocons had managed to take control of the election board. If they did it here of all places they can do it virtually anywhere.

[blm]

70. By design....a design that required the DNC to look the other way after 1996 as the Ohio Dem

party infrastructure was collapsed.

[karynnj]

65. I have heard/read the opposite from people who were there in the room

The fact is that per all stories, it was not til the next morning that Kerry having been told by the same team of Democratic election lawyers that that there was no way there were enough votes to be had that Kerry conceded. Even his his concession speech, he spoke of the fact that the provisional ballots would be counted - but that there were not enough of them to win. They were counted - and Kerry was still 59,000 votes short. In an interview months after the election, both Kerry daughters learned the next morning when they were told by their uncle that their dad was working on a concession speech. As this was not a contentious interview and the question was how they found out, it is pretty unlikely that both these girls calling in from two different cities would lie. Here is what they said:

"KING: Alex, was there a moment when you knew that your dad had lost?

A. KERRY: Not until my uncle came in the next morning and said that he was going to concede. I am not sure how much I slept that night, but I went to bed at 3 a.m., and we were still hopeful. And since the beginning of this campaign, my father and John Edwards said that they were going to count every vote, which they are still doing, out of respect for the people that they made promises to, and so I think we were still going to fight until the last minute."
http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/22/lkl.01.html

The fact is that neither Edwards did or said anything about voter suppression or any irregularities for at least a year and a half. The Kerrys did. Teresa Kerry made an excellent comment that the fact that machines could be hacked was a problem. This created an uproar, in spite of the fact that it was very clear that she was speaking in general, not specific. Kerry spoke at least 10 times in 2005 and 2006.

The fact is that in 2006, the Edwards saw this as an issue on the left - and they moved to grab it. But, they did it carefully. Elizabeth Edwards included an ambiguous account in her Saving Grace book. In the mainstream media there was not one word from them that they thought they won Ohio. Not even, the type of comment that the Kerrys often made that there were ways that the Republicans suppressed the vote. It is not illegal to have too few voting machines - no one ever thought to make that a law.

But, when they spoke to bloggers or left leaning groups they hinted at first - then later claimed that they would have fought back. Yet never once did John edwards state what grounds he would have used. The fact is the people in the room included the top Democratic election lawyers, including Marc Elias, who was sent to help Franken in 2008. They (and John Kerry) for that matter had more information and better credentials than John Edwards for developing a court case on this.

Did you learn nothing about the lack of honesty of John Edwards in 2008? Even in his "bare his soul" confession, he lied. It also seemed that there were things that Elzabeth lied about as well. One small one is that in her book, she speaks of never having known what the Kerry healthcare plan was. There are however accounts where she actually spoke of the healthcare plan. It also ignores that there was a detailed summary on his website and googling then found a detailed pdf describing it by his top healthcare advisor. (If I found these sitting in NJ in 2004, she could have and besides she could have met for whatever time she wanted with that advisor). Not to mention, in a DKOS post, she spoke of - even before her cancer - having pushed Edwards to have a universal healthcare plan. That this was her big issue. However, Edwards did not have a universal healthcare plan in 2004. In addition, healthcare was not seen as Elizabeth's main issue in 2004. Neither of these are important, but they show that she was willing to embroider history a bit.

I have no doubt that any Edwards allied person in that room might have told you otherwise. It is a fact that the campaign sent Edwards out with a campaign written statement on Tuesday night.

In addition, even with a Democratic Ohio SOS, there never has been proof that more actual votes were cast for Kerry. (RFK jr used estimates of the number of votes lost because there were 4 hour plus lines, but you can't count votes that were never cast.)

[Catherina]

63. Carville apologist? That's a good one

Whatever baby. It's pretty clear you're incapable of any objectivity and are trying to rewrite history. Have fun.

[blm]

64. You rewrote history based on an INTERNET MYTH. You call internet myths objective?

Show me ONE article where Edwards ever claimed he argued with Kerry himself over the concession. What happened...Kerry conceded the next morning. Exactly what Edwards had been arguing for the night before with an unnamed campaign official. Kerry sided with Edwards...and you want to pretend he didn't so you can live with your preferred narrative.

[karynnj]

69. Here BLM - backup for your account

"KING: Alex, was there a moment when you knew that your dad had lost?

A. KERRY: Not until my uncle came in the next morning and said that he was going to concede. I am not sure how much I slept that night, but I went to bed at 3 a.m., and we were still hopeful. And since the beginning of this campaign, my father and John Edwards said that they were going to count every vote, which they are still doing, out of respect for the people that they made promises to, and so I think we were still going to fight until the last minute."
http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/22/lkl.01.html

Alexandra Kerry had no reason at the point to make up a story. In addition, we all KNOW there was no concession on election day.

[blm]

71. why some persist in spreading a myth when the truth is in the time of the actual concession...

go figure.

[karynnj]

72. Maybe they stayed up until the afternoon of the next day and thus conflated

the two days into one.

I think the real root was that John and Elizabeth Edwards attempted to use the urban legend to build additional liberal creds for a man whose entire voting record looked more like Evan Bayh's than Pat Leahy's or Ted Kennedy's. Apparently some are willing to believe even after Edwards looked into the camera with wide blue eyes and lied.

Some who still believe the lies of the Edwards 2008 campain reminds me of:
"If I listened long enough to you. I’d find a way to believe that it’s all true. Knowing that you lied straight-faced while I cried. Still I look to find a reason to believe.

More lyrics: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rod+stewart/#share

With apologies to Tim Hardin.

[karynnj]

67. Kerry has more strength of character, honor and bravery in one fingernail, than Edwards

has in his entire body.

Edwards NEVER said in the mainstream media that he wanted to challenge and he never spoke of what the grounds would be. There simply was no proof. There is still no proof. Kerry did exactly what he had to do, though it was likely one of the toughest moments of his life.

[karynnj]

66. Edwards is a liar - a convincing liar but a liar all the same

Carville and Begalla were among the few Democrats on cable then. They were less than helpful. They NEVER spent any time at all praising anything in Kerry's record. Carville - in March 2004, when it was obvious that Kerry clearly was winning the nomination was speaking of a convention fight where they could turn to someone else - Hillary. He sppent tons of time speaking of how Kerry was not like Clinton. (I thought that a positive)

Now, before you say - maybe there was nothing he could praise about Kerry - consider this:

- He spent hours praising HRC's role on SCHIP and how it gave insurance to millions of kids. HRC's role was to push Bill to include funding for it in the budget. It was Kennedy's bill. It was initiated as a Kerry/Kennedy bill in 1996 and Kennedy and Hatch made it more acceble to the Republicans and got it through a Senate with 55 Republicans. (Kerry was a co-sponsor) Apparently, this didn't interest Carville in 2004.

- The environment. As we all have seen how outraged Carville and his wife were and how loyal to LA's environment they were. But, not a word on any of Kerry's environmental events, including one in the coastal islands near NO, where Kerry spoke of the environmental issues affecting the barriers islands that protect the shore.

Kerry showed the backbone he had in Vietnam, in protesting Nixon, in standing against the US arming the Contras, in fighting BCCI which had coopted powers in both parties. He has been dogged on the climate change bill - which is still iffy, but was declared impossible a year ago by the MSM.

Edwards on the other hand stood for nothing but Edwards. Maybe if he would have used his talents to work with the Kerry team instead of refusing to even use the campaign slogan at the convention, the narrow loss could have been a win. Even before the scandal, it was clear that he was a VP from Hell - which explains why not one of the Kerry strategists or money people went to Edwards when Kerry opted not to run. Kerry deserved better given the chance he gave Edwards - a chance that per Young, Edwards felt he was entitled to.

[MyNameGoesHere]

73. I have seen many photos of FDR with Stalin

so you think FDR supported Stalin's purges just because they looked friendly in photo ops?

[blm]

74. add Carville's actual track record as noted throughout this thread...

brilliant of you to equate Carville and Rush's many social activities over the last twenty years with FDR and Stalin's meetings....really....brilliant.

[MyNameGoesHere]

75. And I applaud your .. brilliance, i suppose one could call it.

[Festivito]

16. Do the rest of these DU posters not know this? Sheesh.

If you want to knock Carville for marrying a Republican, that's a little shallow, but I can handle it. If for what he's said, say what he's said.

But, not for going with his wife to a wedding she attends.

[Parker CA]

34. It's so much more fun to get outraged though than to acknowledge what you point out. ;)

[HughMoran]

9. We know he's a whore.

He's married to a right-wing wack-job.

[saracat]

10. Gee, and I guess no one else has ever attended a wedding of a business connection of a spouse whom

they didn't like?:sarcasm: I don't pretend to understand the Carville -Maitlin Marriage but it is obvious James doesn't like Rushbo( he has stated his contempt in public many times) and only accompanied Mary. Spouses do that for one another. I went to a funeral I didn't want to attend yesterday for a work acquaintance of my husband. I did it for him. Some of us do things like that for our spouses.

[emulatorloo]

24. "Honey the guy is a crook, I just won't go. Maybe Liz Cheney will escort you?"

See, pretty simple. . .

[saracat]

35. Sometimes it isn't that simple.

[emulatorloo]

40. Sometimes the choices really are black and white

[dhpgetsit]

11. What about his bride attending the wedding?!?!?

WTF?

[Shadow Creature]

12. good?

First I can't believe anyone would pay a million for a wedding singer. Ridiculous.

Second Elton has expensive habits, and that is where the money will go.

Third Carville??

Dang this whole thing screams FAIL all around.

[emulatorloo]

22. LOL. More like Carville is a HUGE fail. See mod mom's post above

[ProSense]

13. I can see them now

standing around talking about Scooter Libby's pardon and Obama's failed Presidency.

[JonLP24]

15. My guess

His wife wanted to go and he went along with her.

[tabasco]

17. Just about everybody knows what a skunk Carville is.

I think EJ was a big surprise to a lot of people.

[blondeatlast]

18. That sums it up well for me. nt

[Odin2005]

19. Carville = typical RW Corporatist-Fascist Southern "Democrat".

[Forkboy]

20. I have no use for him or Elton.

Carville is a world class smeghead, and Elton makes music that inspires me to run a cheese grater over my ears.

[ensho]

44. lol, I'm with you

nt

[glitch]

47. Smeghead, perfect. :)

I did like Elton's first album though.

[Name removed]

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[Adenoid_Hynkel]

25. Carville also works with the oil industry coup-plotters in Venezuela

which makes me think his attacks on Obama about the oil spill are more about deflecting blame from BP

[mod mom]

27. not to mention meddling in elsewhere- "Million Dollar Assholes: Carville, Shrum & Greenberg"

Million Dollar Assholes: Carville, Shrum & Greenberg



I love documentaries. A lot. Real people in real situations are always weirder, more original and more interesting than any fiction Hollywood can brew.

I saw a documentary that blew me away today but I don't mean in a good way. It was called Our Brand is Crisis, about how the firm of Carville, Greenberg and Shrum (as in James Ragin' Cajun Carville and Bob $5 million man Shrum) travel around the world meddling in political situations they know little about for fun and profit when they're not busy losing Presidential elections.

The film takes place in the Bolivian election of 2002, when Carville et. al. convinced the Bolivian people they needed to elect Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, aka Goni, an American-born candidate who speaks Spanish with an accent and who had failed miserably once before as President during the 90s. He is elected by the thinnest of margins, only to be forced to resign 14 months later amid riots that left 100 people dead.
-snip
http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/04/million-dollar-assholes-carville-shrum.html

[blm]

59. Wanna bet NONE of the Carville defenders in this thread have even SEEN Our Brand is Crisis?

.

[blm]

52. That's another inconvenient truth about Carville that gets ignored by his defenders.

He has also gotten PAID for manufacturing crises.

[Old Troop]

28. I've said it many times before: the "elites" are more comfortable with

each other than the people they claim to represent.

[jazzelle]

56. Thats really true

nt

[JerseygirlCT]

29. Well, to his wife, Limbaugh's the capo dei capi, isn't he?

She was probably obligated to attend and bow the knee.

Why he married her is another question, however!

[AllentownJake]

30. Was there another rumor about Limbaugh taking trip to molest children

Only reason I can see for the man getting married again.

[Stevenmarc]

31. If I were a Dem analyst I would love to be in a room with a bunch of liqueur soaked GOP opperatives

[blm]

42. How did that work for us in the past? You think this is his first exposure to drunk GOPers?

try reading mod mom's post above

[Stevenmarc]

46. You might

want to try reading my post, you apparently missed the "If I" part.

[marmar]

32. Par for the course with Carville.....I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.

nt

[UpInArms]

33. I could never stay married to someone whose belief system diametrically opposed my own

so that in itself makes me dislike Carville.

He has no courage of his convictions.

He's a piece of shit.

[saracat]

36. I used to think that until I saw the wonderful marriage of one of my BFs. I am no longer

so judgmental. I couldn't do it myself but some folks can.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Amen

[ensho]

43. what a fraud he is - and CNN loves him indecently

nt

[kctim]

45. Only the very weak minded

allow politics to dictate their personal lives.

[WinkyDink]

48. What is there to add to the fact that he married MARY MATALIN?!

[Catherina]

50. Shame on Carville. n/t

[joeybee12]

54. Let's see, Elton is a shit, but Carville is a bigger shit, so that lets Elton

off the hook, right?

[revolution breeze]

61. His wife is a personal friend of Limbaugh (yuck)

It must really be love with all the unsavory things she makes him do!