Watch the BP ROV Under Sea Cams! Thread #22

[jaxx]

Thread # 21: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8486890&mesg_id=8486890



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HALT! GO NO FARTHER! DO NOT PROCEED if you have not viewed this video. It is an excellent explanation of the process,
the stage it's in now, and answers many questions.

>>> Latest Kent Wells explanation of Top Hat and Oil Extraction (June 3 posting): http://bp.concerts.com/gom/lmrp6_060310.htm

OTHER INFO LINKS:

The latest TheOilDrum thread: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6558

Great forum with lots of pics and video if you need to catch up: (although the DUUSBPROVC is giving them a run for the money!)
http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,68178.4545

Subsea Response Links (great to view when there's downtime): https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYETicASkH8SZGZmN3ptcXpfN2M2cmR3c2M5&hl=en


LIVE CAM LINKS:

Multi-view ROV page: http://bp.isevil.org

Great site w/multi-screens: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/bp-live-oil-spill-cam.html

All cams (BP site): http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=9033572&...

WKRG Video Stream:http://www.livestream.com/wkrg_oil_spill

Akamai Link: http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:46245.asx

Fox Feed: http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?cha

CNN Feed: http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=str

ABC Feed: http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=6105570


A couple of helpful graphics to explain what you're looking at, oil plume permitting:






And, finally, proof that
DU is on this project:



THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR YOUR HELP AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF PICS AND LINKS! :yourock:

[NYC_SKP]

1. Thanks, jaxx.

I've read that they may try another cap, cap #5.

Whatever it takes, man, I hope we get this under control soon!

:thumbsup:

[HughMoran]

2. You mean "thanxx jaxx"

:hi:

[jaxx]

5. lol that's a lot of x rating there.

:hi:

[jaxx]

4. Yep me too.....another cap might be an answer

to the problem.

[jaxx]

7. I think it was nice of them to save this procedure until I was off work.

But you will be in and out I suppose since you are hard at it today. We'll keep updating as we find things. :hi:

[gateley]

19. Thankfully if things are slow at work and I'm able to slack, I can peek in frequently.

[NYC_SKP]

93. Posted in wrong place.

See bottom of thread.

:dunce:

[lamp_shade]

3. present

[jaxx]

6. Mornin.

That was a great find of yours....the #5 cap. Well done! :applause:

[lamp_shade]

8. It's my 2nd favorite site, tho I only "get" about 1% of what they're saying.

I just look for the little "jewels".

[gateley]

36. Yeah, when they start talking psi and other formulas, I keep scrolling.

[Owl]

9. Live Oil Gusher Cam shows everything just peachy-keen now.

:banghead:

[nebenaube]

10. looks the same if not bigger... n/t

[lamp_shade]

11. TheOilDrum's newest thread - node 6564 > >

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6564

[jaxx]

12. I was just reading that.....lol they have a troll.

Why would someone think that was the place to air their politics is beyond me. The video was good on the thread.

[lamp_shade]

14. Good ole Jeffrey

[profgoose]

34. and the troll has been...eliminated...

:)

[lamp_shade]

45. High Five profgoose !!!

[Morning Dew]

13. Thanks for the new thread jaxx

All the work by the club is greatly appreciated.

I'm still trying to follow along here as best I can during my work week... between that and sleep, I'm losing valuable ROV watching time.

[jaxx]

15. I know what you mean...it's hard to work 10+ hrs a night and keep up.

Everyone who keeps these threads going are what helps...we can come in and catch up on what we missed.

[Lochloosa]

16. Does anyone know the amount of oil they are collecting?

[gateley]

21. Here's some info from CNN's article:

Venice, Louisiana (CNN) -- BP said it has collected more than 1,800 barrels of oil since placing a cap over its ruptured undersea well, but video taken Saturday still shows a stream of crude escaping into the Gulf of Mexico. /snip

By Friday afternoon, the company said on its website that it had collected 76,020 gallons of oil in the first 12 hours after it put the cap on the well, which is less than 10 percent of the 798,000 gallons of oil federal authorities estimate is pouring into the Gulf daily. /

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/05/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

Nothing else in the article, really. So they're saying less than 10%. Honestly, I'll take 1% - whatever.

[Statistical]

32. Full day update.6,077 barrels which is roughly 1/2 to 1/3 of the 12K to 19K estimated by US govt.

Update: On June 4, a total of 6,077 barrels of oil was collected. Improvement in oil collection is expected over the next several days.

http://twitter.com/BP_America

[Feron]

50. About the gov't estimates...

Basically all the modeling agreed on the fact that 12k was the lower end. The three models overlapped between 12k-19k and they used that as their estimate, however it could be more.

And at it's peak, the RITT (sippy straw) was capturing 8k barrels a day.

I highly recommend reading the report. It's interesting stuff.

http://www.doi.gov/deepwaterhorizon/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&PageID=33972 PDF warning

[jaxx]

17. They are examining the floor around the well and a crack has just been shown.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Skandi_ROV1.html

From what I read at TOD, they suspect a leak on the floor?? I have seen them go up to a dome like plume and then back away. I may be all wet on this too...but it's what I saw, not necessarily what they are after.

[gateley]

20. Oops. I wonder, if that's accurate, how that will affect the operation. nt

[HughMoran]

23. Difficult to see - sometimes it seems like there is plumage

The caption beside the image is interesting - says they captured 6077 barrels of oil on Friday - that's a large volume - most to date. Too bad it's maybe only half :(

[gateley]

18. Thanks, jaxx! Just got up but I was going to see if there'd been any action

and put up another thread (if needed!) before getting ready for work. Now I can spend that time lookin' around!

Read on 21 that they may be trying another cap. The never give up, God love 'em. As someone posted earlier, we'll go down fighting! :hi:

[jaxx]

29. Not anything much happening.

I've been reading around too, and looking at the feeds that are up. But as we know, that could change in an instant.

[gateley]

31. Don't know if you caught the briefing, Adm. Allen said they captured over

6,000 barrels yesterday. Not bad (estimates now at 12 - 19,000 daily)

[gateley]

22. Live briefing now. My cnn.com link isn't giving me sound, I'll go check out

msnbc.com :scared: It's Thad Allen -- listen/watch if you can!

[HughMoran]

24. Thanks - watching now

:hi:

[gateley]

28. 'Bye bye. Turned in the TV in time to see him end the show. A couple of points:

Cap now in place, in 24 hours captured 6,000 barrels of oil. Estimates 12,000 - 19,000 barrels escaping daily (50%? - wow!)

Vents aren't closed yet, but once closed will be able to capture more.

CNN is going to continue discussing update.

Anchor said Thad Allen said if you're unemployed, come on down and we'll train you; if you have a boat, go ahead and go out and try to help. I wonder if that's because they've got a more realistic idea of just how widespread the devastation is, and know that BP is slacking.

[gateley]

25. LIVE briefing now on CNN TV and cnn.com NOW

[jaxx]

30. What did he have to say?

I missed it.

[gateley]

39. I tuned in as it was concluding, but here's what the CNN anchors said:

Cap now in place, in 24 hours captured 6,000 barrels of oil. Estimates 12,000 - 19,000 barrels escaping daily (50%? - wow!)

Vents aren't closed yet, but once closed will be able to capture more.

CNN is going to continue discussing update.

Anchor said Thad Allen said if you're unemployed, come on down and we'll train you; if you have a boat, go ahead and go out and try to help. I wonder if that's because they've got a more realistic idea of just how widespread the devastation is, and know that BP is slacking.

[HughMoran]

26. 6077 barrels recovered yesterday

not bad - maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of what's gushing :shrug:

[Statistical]

35. Good start. Lets double that.

[gateley]

40. That's with the vents open! nt

[Statistical]

43. Yeah the method has a lot of promise use physics to your advantage.

At the point of the cap seal the water is pushing in at 2500 psi.

Working fluids always take the easiest path (they are "lazy") thus if the back pressure from riser pipe is less than 2500 psi the oil will "want" to flow there.

Unlike a siphon or other methods this is using the pressure @ 5000 ft to your advantage.

[LisaL]

56. Exactly. Why are the vents still open? They were supposed to

start closing them, but apparently have not done so. Will they ever be able to?
The video does not inspire any confidence in me that they are actually able to capture a large proportion of that oil.

[gateley]

65. They need to get the pressure correct, too much and it will blow

off the cap. They will be able to if they're successful in achieving the correct pressure. If I don't understand what's going on, I've become confident enough in what they're doing to just realize if they could have done (whatever) they WOULD have done (whatever). No promises were made, it's a time-consuming process, and we can only hope for the best. If this doesn't work, they'll keep trying whatever they can.

[HughMoran]

42. Yep, said they can handle up to 15,000 bbd

If we can get to 12000 bbd, I think we'll see a marked improvement in the appearance of the leaks around the cap.

[LisaL]

53. Looking at the video, a lot of stuff is coming out so I sincerely

doubt they are capturing 1/2 of what is gushing.

[ComtesseDeSpair]

27. Spraying More Friggin' Dispersants

I can't tell you how angry I get when I see the robots spraying dispersants into the plume. Why hasn't our EPA cracked down on BP??? This country floors me. They allow an oil company to get away with spraying hundreds of thousands of gallons of a known poison into the ocean. And it looks like those chemicals are resulting in the formation of immense plumes underneath the ocean's surface, that may end up causing even MORE death and destruction than we would otherwise have. Instead of allowing the oil to float to the surface where it can be skimmed, we're letting it form vast death zones that could wipe out sperm whales, lower-dwelling fish, and who knows what else. The entire chain of life is dying in the gulf... as the EPA stands by, shrugs its shoulders, and says, "Whatcha gonna do?"

I am so sickened.

[Statistical]

37. The EPA could make the dispersent illegal. They don't.

If something isn't illegal and it works why would you expect a company or individual to not use it.

Tomorrow EPA could ban the dispersant in the United States and make fine $100 million per use. They haven't.

[ComtesseDeSpair]

41. That's Why I'm Angry...

Other countries have banned this substance, scientists KNOW it's poisonous, and yet the EPA allows it to be used. That's what sickens me. Our completely broken regulatory system.

[gateley]

33. Any more info/conjecture about a new cap?

[gateley]

38. CNN just said they're going to have "A Day With Thad Allen" - anybody catch

when that is going to air? That would sure be informative, IMO.

[jaxx]

44. I'm going to leave the tv on cnn for the day.

Seems like they are giving the most coverage.

[HughMoran]

46. It's on now - this is what people need to see

It's very revealing and the kind of visibility that people need to see. Over now.

[gateley]

47. Damn. I was in the shower! Glad some of you got to see it though. Any insights? nt

[gateley]

48. There's ACTION on one of the CNN cams --

[jaxx]

49. they're picking up some big thing on this one too

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Viking_Poseidon_ROV1.html

[gateley]

51. Well that was short-lived. Unless you're getting something else -- what do you see? nt

[jaxx]

52. Whatever it is, it's just hanging there.

:shrug:

And now it's gone.

[flamingdem]

54. A second cap? nt

[jaxx]

55. No, it was some big thing with rake like tines...but far apart.

I just checked and it looks like they're taking it to the top....from 4800 ft up to 1350 now.

[gateley]

57. Are we sure there's going to be a second cap - or was that just conjecture? Anybody know?

I'd think if they're getting 6,000 a day at this point, they might want to stick with it a little longer and see if they can get it where they want it. I'd think. :eyes: Like I know what the hell I'm talking about. :7

[jaxx]

59. All we know is that they brought #5 cap down.

From what lamp_shade reported. I read that they might do what you said....try for a couple days with the capture before giving it up. Far as I know there are still vents open too on the cap.

[Feron]

82. They're working on a new cap according to nola.com...

"BP engineers are working on a tighter-fitting version of the containment cap that could be ready in a month."

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/bps_latest_containment_system.html

That sentence is the only information given.

They'll likely stick to this design until the new one is ready.

[gateley]

58. Don't know if you guys saw this - video explanation of why sealing the cap vents

"isn't easy". He's pretty good!

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/06/04/tsr.foreman.cap.explainer.cnn

[jaxx]

60. Yeah that was good.

For those who think it's so easy.....it sure isn't.

[flamingdem]

61. Looks like they underestimated the time needed

yet they claim it's working? But they are not done? The problem is that to make any real impact they need to reduce the flow substantially and they might lose it all in that attempt.


:scared:

[gateley]

68. Yeah, the problem is they don't know how long it will take, what

they'll be met with, until they try. It always looks good on paper. :)

[Feron]

62. Enterprise ROV 2 is fiddling with what is probably a valve.

Whatever it's doing, it made the gushing out of the hat worse.

[jaxx]

63. Whatever that round plate looking thing on the side is

I saw them examining it earlier.

[lamp_shade]

66. The yellow thingie? That's a level. I saw in a close-up that the bubble was off-center. Hmm.

[gateley]

74. There's a pic of it in the OP ROV bot. NYC_SKP wants one. I told

him he could make it into a coffee table.

[NYC_SKP]

97. It's true, I do!

I collect that stuff, old tools, unusual tools, navigational stuff, maps and globes.

I wonder how big that thing is?

:hi:

[SidDithers]

64. Kick back up to the top...nt

Sid

[lamp_shade]

67. While I'm waiting for some action..... > >

Watch the whole thing:

[gateley]

69. I am in love. Is s/he yours? nt

[flamingdem]

71. The kitty is so adorable, but check out these sloths for a different kind of cute

http://vimeo.com/11712103

[lamp_shade]

75. Whodathunkit. Hey... all babies are cute.

[lamp_shade]

73. Nope. I stole it from another DUer a long time ago.

[lamp_shade]

77. Nope. But this one is > >

Actually, he's not. I volunteer at a <no kill> shelter and this little cutie is one of a litter of six 2-week olds. I took the picture 3 weeks ago. If I wasn't allergic to cats, he WOULD be mine.

[HughMoran]

70. I'm stealing it

(the kitty that is) :D

[lamp_shade]

72. Go ahead. I stole it from a DUer years ago.

[flamingdem]

76. Hey what do you have against sloths?? nt

[gateley]

78. I didn't even want to look at it. Do I have to? nt

[flamingdem]

81. They are very cute, I promise!

Not gross.

[HughMoran]

83. They're sloth-like

:D

[jaxx]

79. Nothin cuter than a kitten.

[gateley]

80. This is good to know (from TOD, posted by PriorityX):

The engineering group does have multiple teams workings on other options. As soon as a viable idea is identified a team is assigned to it. There is no waiting to see if the current effort fails before they get started.

They are also several steps ahead on the current solution. While we see what is in place, they have already projected ahead to what adjustments may need to be made and the engineering and fabrication is well under way, if not already completed.


Also:

jfxgillis on June 5, 2010 - 2:22pm Permalink | Subthread | Comments top Looks like Enterprise ROV2 is closing vents or a vent mechanically at this timestamp.

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Anybody see a vent close @ 2:22-ish?

[Cleita]

84. So is this it?

Nothing else going to happen until they get the relief wells drilled?

[gateley]

85. Where did you hear that from? (I just got home from work - did I miss something?)

Did you happen to see AC 360 last night? I taped it and if it's being played again today, or if you can see it on line, you MUST. He will also have a show on Monday and Tuesday covering the disaster.

The show was aired yesterday and he said that they'd called BP to find out what was going on (they were showing the footage we've been watching) and they got voice mail! Everyone had gone home or they just weren't answering the phone. Anderson had a great point -- why can't they have someone giving an explanation like they do on space launches? He is FURIOUS at BP (as we all are.)

Anyway, did they say we were doing nothing until the wells were completed? I thought they manouvered other caps into the area in case this one doesn't do what they want, they can keep trying. :shrug:

[HughMoran]

86. This is exactly why I posted a link to this video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8495064

Nobody should be allowed to comment before they watch that video.

[gateley]

87. Good idea posting it 'out there'. That's why, at the top of this thread, I said

STOP! GO NO FURTHER! until they watched the video -- which, by the way, was updated the 3rd -- have you seen that one?

[HughMoran]

88. that one seems to have no sound and shows different stuff

Is that how it plays for you?

[gateley]

89. Yes and yes. You're right -- the May 31 one gives a better overview and explanation.

Pretty smart for a HughMoran! :hi:

[HughMoran]

90. uh-huh

:P

[NYC_SKP]

91. 31 May has sound, 3 June does not, but 3 June had lots to see that needed to be seen.

I'll post the next in series if and when I find it.

These two videos taken together really explained a lot that couldn't be understood, really, in another way nearly as easily.

What's the status?

I just got home.

:hi:

[HughMoran]

92. SSDD as far as status. The Top Kill lines in reverse is a big effing deal that will hit next week.

Those lines flowed enough to overcome the flow of the well when the pump was at full blast. If they can suck pre-exit oil at a decent rate, they may be able to snuff the flow enough to cause seawater to flow into the Top Cap.

[NYC_SKP]

95. So, push it back down the hole?

Is that what you're describing?

Works for me....

:hi:

[HughMoran]

96. Well, not exactly

But it would be nice if the 2 methods combined could suck up the majority of the oil. They would have to choke back on the Top Cap flow if it started sucking in seawater.

[jaxx]

99. I watched this again and am glad I did.

It's easy to forget the steps and what they are doing.

[Cleita]

98. The reports I was hearing was that they were capturing oil into a tankard.

I don't see anything happening on the cams, but I admit I've been watching them sparingly so I don't get throttled again. So it seems the next thing are the wells that will be completed the earliest in August, which is what they are saying and not much more. I'm sure BP is doing their damnedest to control the message. They still are ordering people away from filming the dead birds and such. I can't believe our media is so compromised that we can't get the truth. So I'm as much in the dark as you are. Maybe others following this will weigh in if they have more current information.

[NYC_SKP]

94. New from the Kent Wells Series: Relief Well Explanation:

New to our threads, I think.

Not really Kent Wells, but the same "BP Concerts" collection.

:hi:

Relief wells explained, June 2: http://bp.concerts.com/gom/reliefwell060210.htm

And this one:

Icky Stupid Tony Hayward piece, June 3: http://bp.concerts.com/gom/bp_response_tv_60_060310.htm

:patriot:

[jaxx]

100. Good info.

[jaxx]

101. Thread #23 is up and ready for the morning.

Since there are now 101 posts on #22, it was time to move on. This time I put it on wordpad with all the whole urls so it will be just a few seconds to put up a new thread instead of going to hunt down all the right urls and putting the images in. I fixed one for the BP cams that was a 404 now. Also added back in the May 31st video from BP.

Ah the joys of being up and wide awake at 2:00am. ;-)

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