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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:24 PM
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Wow. I'm reading about unemployment during the Great Depression, and it sounds just like today
Edited on Mon May-07-07 09:26 PM by rockymountaindem
This is uncanny. If I may summarize and quote a few lines to draw your attention to some things (hopefully I won't violate any copyright rules). This must be what people mean when they say "the more things change the more they say the same". I'm reading from the book "The European Economy Between the Wars" by Charles Feinstein, Peter Temin, and Gianni Toniolo.

The book cites three sociological/economic studies of the unemployed during the depression. The first examined a factory village in Austria where the factory had closed early in the depression. People lived on assistance, but it could be terminated if the recipient made any money at all from any other source, even begging. Firstly, the sociologists who conducted the study noted that subscriptions to the Social Democratic party newspaper declined by sixty percent when money became tight. By contrast, subscriptions to an entertainment newspaper fell by only thirty percent, as people sought to maintain some kind of diversion. In time use surveys, the researchers found that the unemployed men went to bed on average two hours earlier than when they were employed, with extra time during the day being taken up by sleep. As people stopped reading newspapers, they stopped discussing current events with their neighbors. In addition, the once carefully manicured and busy village park became abandoned and overgrown. As a result, there was less social contact between families, creating more suspicion in the village,

"Villagers became suspicious of each other as they reduced their activities. There always had been denunciations of people seen or suspected of doing illegal activities, such as working while receiving relief. The number of denunciations rose dramatically in 1930 and 1931, but the number which stood up under investigation did not."

The sociologists also noted that towards the end of their study, after the factory had been closed for some time and unemployment had become a fact of life, that the National Socialists (fascists) had begun to organize meetings in the village.

In Britain, a sociologist named Bakke released a paper covering the travails of one unemployed truck driver in 1931. After three days of being unemployed, the 28 year old man felt optimistic about finding another job. Three weeks later, still unemployed, he remarked, "You feel like you're no good, if you get what I mean". Eventually the man had to stop taking the bus to look for work, even though he had moved back in with his parents to save on rent. At interviews, he lied about how long he had been unemployed. Hopeless and frustrated, he began wondering aimlessly instead of responding to ads he believed would not lead to anything. After eleven weeks he stated, "There's one of two things, either I'm no good, or there is something wrong with business around here". After seventeen weeks, Bakke found his subject completely despondent and depressed. The man stated, "It isn't the hard work of tramping about so much, although that is bad enough. It's the hopelessness of every step you take when you go in search of a job you know isn't there".

Bakke noted that unemployment benefits did not seem to have any effect, positive or negative, on the search for jobs by unemployed workers. He observed, "it has removed the cutting edge of the desperation which otherwise might attend that search", but no more.

The last observations come from George Orwell himself, who was asked by the Left Book Club to undertake a study of workers in an industrial village in northern England. He noted that unemployed single men fared the worst, and sought any excuse to stay inside a warm building, including attending boring, inane lectures which were organized solely for the purpose of getting people indoors during the winter. To quote from the book and Orwell on a matter that reflects our current obesity epidemic:

"The diet of unemployed families was based on white bread and margarine, corned beef, sugared tea, and potatoes. Orwell commented: 'the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food... There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you... Unemployment is an endless misery that has got to be constantly palliated, and especially with tea, the Englishman's opium."

Scary reading when you think about it. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:29 PM
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1. Being employed seems to make people more confident about themselves
and more willing to do things.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:42 PM
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2. For a moment there I thought my post had broken DU
To your point, though, as my uncle always says, "look for your next job while you're still in the one you've got now".
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:41 PM
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5. During the worst of the Great Depression in the US
unemployment stood at 25%; and yes, the unemployed did tend to blame themselves.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 12:00 PM
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11. Unless management says 'not in your job function', which
is all too common these days.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:45 PM
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3. Yep. It's depressing alright.
Edited on Mon May-07-07 09:46 PM by patrice
Very depersonalized by the web, little or no face to face contact. Often it doesn't seem to be about ability or potential as much as personality match with some ambivalent group.

If you think about investing in improving your skill set, things can always move on to some other skill, before you finish training in whatever you decide to add to what you already do and that's not to even mention the problem of: Training? So what! Experience is what counts.

Lots and lots of contracts, maybe 50% of the jobs you see.

Last week, I made it through two rounds of interviews for a good job and then the funding for the position was put on hold - new mayor, lots of audits going on.

My husband is a more specialized bird than I am; it's even harder for him.

We're living out of our savings.

Between the Occupation of Iraq and advertisements for thousand dollar diamond necklaces for Mom, I simply feel like an alien in my own country now.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 11:28 PM
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7.  You are not alone , I feel like an alien too .
Contract jobs seem to be taking over si it becomes no security and a constant battle to find the next job that will soon evaporate . That is no way to try to live never knowing what;s next .

Hartmann was just one after Malloy talking to some insane jerk for the rand institute , this guy was saying minds make the wealthy not hard work , well without the low worker none of the minds work would ever materialize .

It is one screwed up situation , we are now a dime a dozen and will end up like the chinese workers sooner than people think .
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 02:00 AM
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9. At some point one has to stop doing what doesn't work and
start doing something else, preferably before it's too late for the "something else" to have a chance to succeed.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:50 PM
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4. Studs Terkel...Hard Times:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:59 PM
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6. Also, most of the Great Depression stories we have are
about white people. We don't know how badly the rest suffered except little stories that come up now and then.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 12:49 AM
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8. During the Great Depression, people were put out of work
when factories closed. During Bush's Great Economy, people were put out of work when factories were shipped overseas.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 11:57 AM
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10. If you've looked for a job in this economy,
you know how bad it is. If the economy was as good as Faux "news" says it is, employers would be offering a lot of full-time work with good pay & good bennies; instead, a lot of the jobs being offered are contract & part-time, with low pay & no healthcare being offered. This economy, plus offshoring/inshoring is killing the job market in America.


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windy252 Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 12:02 PM
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12. No kidding.
I had to get assistance in 2005 and still took me nearly 4 months to find a job.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 01:24 PM
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13.  I don't thing we have long before the next great depression
In the last 3 years things have gotten so much worse with finding and keeping jobs and this accelerates daily with more and more outsouced jobs and no one is safe for long .

Only those who have have funds or security will be able to ride this out .

This is one subject that gets little discussion , it is one topic that lies in wait of thousands of unknowing victims .
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 08:17 AM
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14. scary
:kick:
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