Is Rand Paul A Racist

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Poll question: Is Rand Paul A Racist

[Renew Deal]

1. Is water wet?

The problem with Paul is his racism is disguised as liberty.

[DaveinJapan]

2. Fuck yeah, he is!

The problem with our new "touchy-feely" way of approaching EVERYTHING is, when someone says racist shit we say "well NO I'm not claiming he's a racist BUT I don't like the sort of racist stuff he said!".

Fuck that.

If you say racist shit, you're a fucking racist.

End of story.

[justabob]

3. he is a true believer of libertarianism

I don't think racism is his issue. I really think he believes that businesses that discriminate will be run out of business by natural market action.... people not wanting to do business with bigots. What he fails to realize is that it works in reverse too and bigots can thrive because there are so many hateful people in the world. CLueless, naive and totally wrong about human nature, yes, but I am not sure he is actively AGAINST people of color. It is a fine point, I know, and doesn't make him any better of a person (or candidate), but that is my take on it.

[ingac70]

5. He is NOT a Libertarian!

What Libertarian worth his salt wants to force women to give birth? So much for "small government" and "individual liberty".

http://www.randpaul2010.com/issues/a-g/abortion-2/

"I am 100% pro life. I believe abortion is taking the life of an innocent human being.
I believe life begins at conception and it is the duty of our government to protect this life."- Rand Paul

[justabob]

6. fair enough

You are right. I should have taken the time to explain my thought better. I was thinking about economics... I tend to separate libertarians between social libs and econ libs. I have Mr Paul filed under econ lib, so that is what I was focused on.

[ingac70]

18. Do you know what and econ lib and a social conservative together make?

A Republican.

[justabob]

19. I would answer: a fascist

but your answer works too. :) :hi:

[ingac70]

22. Republican, fascist....

is there really any difference?
I thought there was a slight difference until Rand Paul wagged his tongue, but now I know there is none at all.

[MicaelS]

8. Actually he IS a Libertarian...

There is a section of Libertarians that are "Pro-Life". I do NOT agree with their interpretation. Their belief is based around the Non-aggression principle. There's a lot to read here, and I suggest you take the time. The arguments and counter arguments are shown.

There is also The Right to Abortion: A Libertarian Defense

[Ter]

26. He's a paleo-libertarian

There are right-leaning libertarians and left-leaning ones (Jesse Ventura).

[Turbineguy]

9. The purpose of the Banking deregulation in 1999

was I am sure, not to transfer 1/2 of my life savings to wallstreeters or cause a financial meltdown, but that's what happened.

(shameless self-plug):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8392332&mesg_id=8392479

[Dr Morbius]

4. I figured it was appropriate to out myself.

I can imagine someone looking at the above poll and wondering what kind of jerk would vote no. It was me. I honestly don't think he's a racist. I do think, however, he thinks racism is acceptable in a free country. I do think he believes racism is not harmful, or perhaps he doesn't think that far. I think his problem runs DEEPER than racism. So I voted no.

And if I lived in Kentucky I'd be delighted to vote against putting his sorry ass in the United States Senate.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. He condones racism which makes him a racist

You're either for it or against it.

[pipi_k]

23. And people who condone

abortion are abortionists.

And people who accept homosexuality are homosexuals/lesbians.

And people who accept Republicanism are Republicans.



Have I made my point yet?

People can accept or condone something without BEING the thing they accept or condone.

The world is not either/or.

"You're either for it/us, or you're against it/us"...it worked for George W Bush. It doesn't work here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. With racism it really is that simple

Abortionists PERFORM abortions. Condone is not a synonym of perform.

People who accept homosexuality are tolerant.

Do you need a dictionary? :)

[Ohio Joe]

7. Yes

He's a teabagger and that is all one needs to know in order to know he is a racist.

[Kahuna]

10. He supports legal segregation. Ergo, he is racist. nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

14. No. Ergo he supports racism, but that's not the same thing at all.

I support the right to vote for Republicans, but that doesn't make me one.

Similarly, Ron Paul clearly supports the right to racism, but that doesn't make him a racist himself. "Enabler" is a word I hate, because it's so widely applicable as to be meaningless, but in this case I think it may be appropriate.

[Kahuna]

16. He DOES indeed support legal segregation. If you think segregation

is acceptable then you accept the premise of the racial superiority of whites, because superiority is the only reason that legal segregation could be acceptable. I'll bet he's have a problem if it was legal to discriminate against old, curly-headed white men, because he is one.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

28. Are you sure?

I haven't been following his remarks, but I thought that what he recently said that stirred up a controversy was that he supported legalising segregation, not that he supported legal segregation - have I got that wrong?

[Raineyb]

24. You cannot support segregation and the racist ideology behind it

and not be a racist. You cannot support the subjugation of part of your citizenry and claim to be for freedom. Turn a blind eye to racism in your institutions and you claim said racism. Paul would allow businesses to segregate and get away with it. He is as racist as the institutional behavior he would support.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Is the pope Catholic?

:rofl:

[LaydeeBug]

13. Oh honey, if you HAVE to ask....

:eyes:

[BootinUp]

15. I agree with those that say it is better

to attack his ideas for their stupidity than to attack him as a racist. So I abstain from taking your poll question this time. :)

[rocktivity]

17. If libertarianism believes in discrimination, he tolerates racism, at the very least

which is just as bad.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[ProgressiveProfessor]

20. This is a classic libertarian position. Great in theory, lousy in the real world

Whether he personally is a racist, I am not sure any of us really know.

[izquierdista]

21. Personally, he may not be

But what he thinks individually doesn't matter; what's worse is that he thinks racists should be tolerated and accepted. I doubt that the Pope has personally molested altar boys, but what is worse is that he thinks priests who do should be tolerated, forgiven, reassigned and still accepted.

[KharmaTrain]

25. He's The Quinesential Elitist...

Racism is only part of the MO...it's based in growing up being indoctrinated in the superiority of the white male. It's a worldview where minorities are there for a reason and too bad they get the wrong straw in the gene pool and that the government should work for the benefit of said white males or don't function at all. It's a fully selfish attitude (and you can hear it in his arrogant voice) that he has some unique wisdom or knowledge based purely on who he is...a world of absolutes with little tolerance for others.

So...is he a racist? He is more a nihilist...and that does have an appeal.