I saw Mr. President admonishing the 3 fingerpointing assholes for not

[lonestarnot]

accepting any responsibility for killing the ocean, but I didn't hear him accept any responsibility for allowing them to drill in the first place. I love Mr. President, but now I also hate him for allowing this to happening. Gawd this is fucked up!

[Karenina]

1. If I'm not mistaken, he HAS ALREADY taken responsibility for and admitted to

GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY.

Rachel reported on it and featured a watchdog NGO...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#37161134

[lonestarnot]

3. Thanks. Now before I watch, did he ask Salazar to resign?

[Schema Thing]

4. why would he ask Salazar to resign?

[lonestarnot]

11. Salazar knew what MMS was and left the same people to run amok until we ended up with this.

Why was nothing done before the gulf was destroyed?

[Karmadillo]

13. $$$$top it. Accountability is for teachers, not the glorious leaders of the Fleeced World.

nt

[Scuba]

17. Nailed it. Salazar did nothing...

...about the meth snorting, whore bopping oilmen who infiltrated the MMS under Cheney. Those guys should have been fired, then indicted. Instead they're STILL ISSUING PERMITS even after Salazar promosed NO MORE PERMITS.

[lonestarnot]

20. The issuer has yet to be exposed.

[Karmadillo]

6. And did he say he was wrong for saying we needed MORE offshore drilling conducted

by the lunatics who are destroying the Gulf? Did he apologize for saying oil wells did not cause spills during Katrina? Did he apologize for equating the all too accurate criticisms of the environmentalists and the disgusting lies of the corporate pigs who would drill and spill until we were all dead if it made them a buck or two? I'll bet he didn't. Talk talk talk from the Talker in Chief trying to cover for his corporate handlers.

[Karenina]

23. He's had GREAT GOOD FORTUNE

with appointments to replace key figures in various agencies. :eyes: Lost a bunch of CONSCIOUS, COMMON GOOD folks in the process.

[saracat]

38. No he actually defended him. Some underling will take a fall for not implementing changes fast

enough. Everyone admits theyb have known about needing the changes at the M+M and the dept of interior and salazar promised to make them last year but never implemented them.But somehow, it isn't his fault. Oversight no longer matters, nor does accountability.

[NotThisTime]

86. This is Obama's Heckuva job Brownie moment.... Katrina revisited...

[Better Today]

9. "Government" but not himself, and as mentioned above, no one else either.

Apparently there may be a restructuring of MMS, but we have no idea how that will fall and Salazar and those still approving deep water wells after the explosion...

Yeah, well, you see a very different idea for accepting responsibility than I.

[rucky]

80. Good. But why is the government still letting BP call any shots at all?

The only thing BP should be doing right now is liquidating their assets.

[Karenina]

85. I'm not convinced it's so easy as the current Prez Guy waving a magic wand.

Need I remind you that Big Oil has Big Power and Big Money in D.C.? Need I say "partisanship" and ask if you've heard of one Murkowski?

[DevonRex]

2. He allowed this to happen? And now you hate Obama. Your post is fucked up.

Totally.

[old guy]

5. Kinda what I thought about the post too,

but I'm cranky today so figured it was me.

[DevonRex]

7. It's not just you.

:hi:

[lonestarnot]

10. Really? So Mr. President shouldn't have known the disfunction in the MMS

Wasn't it in the news? He agreed to offshore drilling. The cows ass was still in the barn and he gave it one last shove with his endorsement. Yeah my post is fucked up. But you don't tell me "how to feel," and we'll get along just fine.

[Better Today]

12. Exactly, perhaps he could be given a pass if he hadn't just recently

opened up for more drilling. Having done that, one is right to assume he did some investigation as to how well MMS and related government regulators were doing their jobs. But since he did open for more drilling, he should be held accountable for not knowing or not caring that regulators were oil industry stooges.

[G_j]

15. exactly correct

in fairness the MMS was a corrupt mess already. Proposing more drilling without addressing this problem either demonstrates he didn't do the research, or that he just didn't care about the problem.

[lonestarnot]

18. And in that the world's welfare is clearly at stake, this lies sqarely in his lap.

:cry:

[Karenina]

22. Or that he has a herd of holdovers from the Oil Regime

and 1 year to flesh out these decades entrenched interests in addition to having his appointees for agencies to look into the mess held up in addition to wise Latinas to Beer-Birther-Tea Parties, I don't know who this guy is, but am impressed at how he's been able to nibble around the edges. I paraphrase something he said during his campaign that struck me: The Ship of State is large and unwieldy but changes in trajectory are within our reach.

His second dog whistle was, "Make Me Do It!"

See: Greece

Hollywood: OBAMA IS A CRIMINAL :eyes:

I tell you honestly, G_j, I don't know WHAT is going on! Cue Marvin Gaye:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtUMa0FtuWY

I recognized some of these premises 50 years ago, LOVE #20...

http://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/1-Premises.htm

[G_j]

24. Derrick Jensen is dangerous

because he is on the mark, I went to hear him speak once, it was a pretty emotional experience for everyone.

[Better Today]

36. He knew this and had a choice not long ago to say "no" not till a review

of what I inherited is done to my satisfaction, instead he gave it as a gimme to Repubs who won't ever vote bi-partisanly anyway.

It was his choice to approve before apparent proper reviews. HE should be held accountable.

[Name removed]

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[lonestarnot]

16. There's the fucking beef!

:hi:

[dionysus]

55. they've been snorting fail dust again. it's a bad drug.

:hi:

[arcadian]

70. What the fuck does that even mean?

[Mari333]

8. waiting for him to say we need to find green solutions to foreign oil

and legalize hemp and put money into funding energy sources that have nothing to do with oil

until then,pfffft.

[lonestarnot]

21. Also waiting for that. He has some nice big feet to put down. He just has to do it!

And if he doesn't run with it now after seeing what damage is done by these oil freaks, he has no plans for it.

[Solomon]

45. And after he does that you'll find something else to harp

about.

[lonestarnot]

47. If there is a legitimate harp, well then yeah, I will.

[Radical Activist]

54. He already did.

You didn't notice the new CAFE standards and incentives for EVs and plug-in hybrids? I know, I know, nothing progressive Obama does gets much attention.

[spanone]

14. he didn't 'allow' them. it was not an operating well.

[lonestarnot]

19. He threw in for big oil as I recall.

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[lonestarnot]

27. Read much?

Guess you've never felt a simultaneous love for someone that whose action or inaction you hate.

[tranche]

30. I read this, "I also hate him for allowing this to happening"

I have never loved or hated anyone for something they were not responsible for. Now, maybe I can offer you some sort of obligatory, "he should have reacted faster", and maybe I could love or hate him for that, but that is not what you said in your OP. Your OP is weird and I'm sure the comments to follow will help you realize that.

[lonestarnot]

61. Then I guess you forget this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

[tranche]

65. Until that article travels back in time about 5 or 10 years -- there is no connection.

[lonestarnot]

69. Yes, yes yes. BP is still in charge of stopping the death. Epic fail.

No move to advance their asses out of there!

[tranche]

84. This reply is hard to make sense of. What's the epic fail?

[chillspike]

26. Mr. President knows how to play the game, do you?

You give your enemies a little of what they want to appear bipartisan then when they fuck up you take it back. Otherwise, they will fight you forever on the basis that "You never even tried our way!" Well, we've tried it their way and look at the mess we have in the gulf. Republicans lose. Brilliant.

[lonestarnot]

28. Again at what expense? And whose expense? A game? NOT!

[chillspike]

32. unfortunately, big enemies like big oil require big sacrifices to subdue

now i'm not saying it's intentional but when you can't get people to listen or cooperate with you you have to let it be until they realize the error of resisting you or reality has stripped all legitimacy from their argument. very much like hoisting them with their own petard or in this case...mental deficiency.

[saracat]

40. That is the problem with all this. Everything is now looked at as a "game" with a winning team.

Life isn't a game just as it isn't a dress rehearsal and our politcal leaders aren't fan idols.

[chillspike]

41. I was speaking euphemistically

I know it's not a game...liberals know it's not a game ...but the conservatives treat it like one.

p.s. I don't like sports.

[saracat]

42. Perhaps you were. I wasn't .Both sides now treat this as a game.

I don't like sports either.Perhaps that is why I can't stomach the "winning" is everything mentality that has become so prevent.

[Zoeisright]

29. HE let it happen? Um, don't you mean Bush/Cheney LET it happen?

Jesus, get it right before you open your trap.

[lonestarnot]

34. Ugh no. Leaving the regulating authority in place as it was, was wrong.

Further implementation of Bushitler/shootemintheface.

[deaniac21]

31. And he was pointing HIS finger!

[lamp_shade]

33. Yuh... right... you love Mr. President.

[lonestarnot]

35. Yuh right.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

39. You never really loved him to start with!!!!11

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[lonestarnot]

48. That is just not so, and you know it so stop crying. And I still do love him!

I admonish my kid! Doesn't mean I don't love him! WTF! :wtf:

[Rex]

43. They would be drilling out there no matter who was president

the fact that this happened 'on his watch' makes it his mess, I can understand that. I don't love Mr. President, but I don't blame him for this mess.

[lonestarnot]

50. Shouldn't it be the biggest most powerful capital predators (oil) that are watched the

most in protection of the American people? He let them run slipshod right over the gulf and destroy it. Yes I lay part of the blame at his feet.

[Rex]

66. I don't blame him for the mess, but am really wondering

about the response. So far I've been amazed at the lack of authority taken by the WH, they should have kicked BP to the curb by now imo.

[lonestarnot]

67. Yes! They should have been thrown overboard and forced to swim home through the oil.

[tranche]

44. A day later, I still can't believe this post was put on DU.

Obama allowed the oil spill to happen. :eyes:


This whole place is going to shit.

[lonestarnot]

62. No apparently you didn't have time to read the thread.

:wow:

[chillspike]

88. No No No

He allowed drilling. He didn't allow the spill to happen. Never said that.

But that the spill happened strengthens our argument against drilling.

[ecstatic]

46. He can't end all drilling until we stop using gasoline in cars

If you drive, where exactly do you expect the oil to come from? You want other people to suffer but not Americans?

[lonestarnot]

57. There is another problem. The push for green jobs to include

green transportation and green industry. Where is the funding? Looks like it's all going to go into oil clean-up, after everything is dead. Drilling 280 feet less than a mile is too deep to be drilling and 84 miles from our coast line is to fucking close. Why was the gulf coast allowed to be the failed experiment?

[ecstatic]

60. From my understanding, he allowed drilling in order to get a huge green program going

as a compromise.

[lonestarnot]

73. And please show me the evidence. I missed it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Have you admonished yourself for using petroleum products?

[Forkboy]

52. Oh Christ, not that tired old chestnut again.

:rofl:

[treestar]

77. It has truth to it. We are all part of it.

It's wrong to claim to be above it.

[Forkboy]

78. Do we have to stop breathing before we can complain about air pollution as well?

[lonestarnot]

74. Simple answer: Yes.

[Infinite Hope]

51. Obama didn't build that rig. It's been there for quite some time. Get a clue. n/t

[lonestarnot]

58. No one said he built the rig.

:wtf:

[Forkboy]

53. I don't see it as his fault anyways.

[Radical Activist]

56. Do you know when the rig was built and approved?

Accusing Obama of "allowing them to drill" is misleading. He's not the one who approved it.

[lonestarnot]

59. 3/31/2010 Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.

The proposal — a compromise that will please oil companies and domestic drilling advocates but anger some residents of affected states and many environmental organizations — would end a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along the East Coast from the northern tip of Delaware to the central coast of Florida, covering 167 million acres of ocean.

Under the plan, the coastline from New Jersey northward would remain closed to all oil and gas activity. So would the Pacific Coast, from Mexico to the Canadian border.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

[Radical Activist]

63. And that has nothing to do with tihs drill

since it was already built. So your post is misleading.

Obama also called for stricter regulations, which, for all we know, may have stopped what happened in the Gulf.

[lonestarnot]

64. Well,

"But even as Mr. Obama curries favors with pro-drilling interests, he risks a backlash from some coastal governors, senators and environmental advocates, who say that the relatively small amounts of oil to be gained in the offshore areas are not worth the environmental risks." And the timeline doesn't matter. The gulf is dead.

[Radical Activist]

68. "Actual drilling in much of the newly opened areas, if it takes place, would not begin for years."

That's from your own link. You're suggesting Obama is to blame because he "allowed" them to drill. Yet he had nothing to do with allowing this drill to happen. Your OP is misleading and you should correct yourself.

If you were fair minded you could give Obama credit for closing off huge areas to drilling, having new CAFE standards to reduce oil consumption, and for having proposed regulations that might have prevented this disaster if they had been implemented sooner. The cheap shots around here are just getting old.

[lonestarnot]

71. No, you did not read earlier in the thread. And I'm not going to reassert what I've already stated

previously.

[lonestarnot]

72. And furthermore Salazar is still Mr. President's selection of his own choosing.

[Orsino]

75. The timeline matters to someone *truly* looking for a guilty party to blame.

As much as I despise Big Oil's control of every goddamned Administration, the facts do not support the overreaching of the OP.

[lonestarnot]

76. Ok. I've been marginalized before, this time in no different.

:)

[Radical Activist]

81. You're not a victim. It's not about you being more left or marginalized.

It's about your failure to make an intellectually honest argument.

[lonestarnot]

82. This is an argument!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8341806&mesg_id=8342705

[Orsino]

87. I'm definitely bringing this up at the conspiracy meeting. n/t

[CreekDog]

79. when do you think the well was permitted?

do you really think that happened during the Obama administration?

[lonestarnot]

83. No.

Well permitted, drilling authorized, again a time line is not the issue. Poking a hole in the earth that has destroyed the gulf coast is. Mr. President is still apparently in favor of off shore drilling perpetuating the killing. Sorry but there is not an excuse for this position. He could have been more informed. Foreseeable consequences are not mitigating circumstances.