This should be the last word on illegal immigrants:

[Are_grits_groceries]

http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/wordpress/

Everybody get your bags ready.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. The single-celled organisms will help everbody pack!

:think:

[RandomThoughts]

2. .

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Edit, to many miss perceptions possible.

[Demoiselle]

3. I like it. Thanks, Grits!

[Lance_Boyle]

4. the last word in the gimmicky wordplay and cheap sloganeering of an open-borders advocate, maybe

The rest of us a reasonably aware that no government existed at the time with any immigration policy to be violated, so the stupid little stunt is rendered moot.

Seriously, this ranks right up there with "no one is illegal!" Nice bumper sticker. Ridiculously stupid argument.

[EFerrari]

7. Right. Because no indigenous government is recognized by nativists.

:)

ETA: LOL at "nativists".

[brewens]

5. Ya know when white people say that they are Native American

because they were born here? It occurred to me that many of the same people do not apply that logic to fish. It's a real thrill for them to go fly fishing a river that still produces nice native trout. They will turn their nose up at going fishing at some lake stocked with planters.

[lynne]

6. There were immigration laws then? Well, you've proven at least one point -

- that not upholding immigration laws and closing borders can certainly create havoc for a nation and its people.

[EFerrari]

8. Because exclusion is what America is all about.

lol

HAVOC: Crime, down. Immigration, down. ICE detention and deportations, up. Social Security, kept afloat by undocumented worker's contributions. Cry havoc!

[kelly1mm]

9. Didn't "Native Americans" immigrate over the Bering Straight land bridge

back a few thousand years ago? Maybe they should have to leave as well? Going back even further, shouldn't we all go back to Olduvai Gorge?

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. Is it documented, historical fact that American Indians were the first homo sapiens in N. America?

I sort of doubt it, somehow.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. It is a well established paleontological fact.

As the human migration to the americas predated the historical era by many thousands of years, you are correct that it is not an 'historical fact', but perhaps incorrect in your insinuation that this migration displaced an existing people.

[Dreamer Tatum]

12. So paleontology distinguishes one tribe from another? I doubt that. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

25. fail.

"Is it documented, historical fact that American Indians were the first homo sapiens in N. America?"

changing the terms of your original assertion is massively dishonest.

[EFerrari]

15. That's funny. Do you think NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE

were waiting somewhere else until they had a chance to invade?

:rofl:

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. I think if anyone was here before them, THEY are the Native Americans.

Catch on?

[brewens]

18. If there were ever some northern Europeans among the first

people in North America, their descendants, if there were any, would have been the Native Americans that Europeans eventually found here. I don't think Kennewick Mans remains give white people any claim, regardless of what his origins may have been.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

[lumberjack_jeff]

26. Kennewick man was unlike modern Native Americans.

He is the first known north american human and is morphologically and genetically most like the Ainu of Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

[Warren Stupidity]

27. Kennewick is an anomaly.

Interesting as a data point, but there are other data and the general consensus remains a single wave of migration around 12,000 years ago, across the Bering Straight. That does not mean that other people didn't get here by other means, but it does mean that the original people of the new world are very closely related genetically to the native american population here when the european conquest started.

[elocs]

13. I understand the point even though others want to split hairs on the matter.

Evidently because Native Americans did not have a unified government with rules and regulations and laws and ownership of the continent it gave the new settlers the right to take the land from them and then commit genocide to get rid of them. I would have hoped that DU would be a place where there would be no apologists for such actions or any making excuses for it.

I am the 12th generation in this family on my mother's side with my first ancestor arriving in Massachusetts in 1628. On my father's side my great grandmother was a Cherokee, so I'm not sure if I should stay or go, but I do understand that basic point of the cartoon without getting all legalistic about it.

[tekisui]

17. I would have hoped that DU would be a place where there would be no apologists for such actions

I am no longer surprised at the shit I see defended here anymore. For the past year and a half, DU had been very tolerant of increasingly conservative arguments.

[MellowDem]

20. It didn't give them the "right"...

What gave them the right was their ability to take by force and kill the natives. Pretty much as it has been throughout history. The analogy is bad because the Europeans were invaders and colonists, they were not immigrants wishing to assimmilate into native society.

[elocs]

24. No, the analogy is not perfect (what is?) and their belief was that might made right.

So as long as they had the might, they certainly believed they had the right.

Neither do I believe that everyone who comes here, legally or illegally, wants to assimilate into our society. In my city we received many of the Hmong from Southeast Asia who were refugees and many of the older generation had no desire to be assimilated into American society.

[Jade Fox]

14. Perfect n/t

[MellowDem]

19. It's a bad analogy...

The Europeans were colonists and invaders, not immigrants crossing the border illegally.

[Marr]

21. I don't think the separation was really so wide-- especially early on.

The first European settlers lived really in and amongst the native population. They'd work farm land that had originally been cleared and farmed by the locals, and occupy the spaces in between natives' farms. Many even sold their labor to the natives, working as servants and farmhands.

In a way, this cartoon is working against it's own point.

[MellowDem]

23. I've seen the comparison made before...

and not only is it not a great analogy, except perhaps early on, though even then the Europeans had their own seperate society, but the same comparison is made by those on the right. Except it's because they see the illegal immigrants as colonists and invaders, instead of just people looking for work.

[EFerrari]

29. And of course they never recognize in the Mexican people

the descendants of indigenous people. Most undocumented workers could say, "I'll help you pack" with their lineage to back them up.

[The Straight Story]

22. We learned from their mistakes when it comes to immigration (nt)

[William Z. Foster]

28. I wonder

I wonder if people actually are missing the point of the cartoon, or just pretending to so they can advance their anti-immigrant position? Pretty disturbing either way.