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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:28 PM Original message |
AZ law first requires "lawful contact" i.e. Traffic violation or other situation prompting police |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. LOLOL yeah, that'll work. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That is the law. You have to break some law first then they can look further. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Ah. So if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. i live in arizona. about a year |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. The statute doesn't say that. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
64. Well, that's what Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity say, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. + |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
115. That's is simply untrue. Lawful contact includes being a rape victim, a witness....n/t |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
117. Then why, pray tell, |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
131. It is not true that you have to break a law for the police to lawfully contact you. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #131 |
161. Actually, the phrase |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #131 |
167. + |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
170. I guess you never heard of "Chandler Roundup" |
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dsn (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
171. Isn't everyone in violation of SOME law all the time? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Your medical card? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. The law states that for any lawful contact...where reasonable suspicion exists...a reasonable |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Like the belief that the ID is fraudulent? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
56. So, you're speeding and a cop pulls you over. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Or Sheriff Joe could be a birther. . .and the driver has a "Si se puede" |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
76. what you just described could happen today in AZ and in most states |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
82. You are repeating a common piece of misinformation - Citizenship is not the issue |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. And how is it determined whether or not someone is a lawful |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #96 |
152. I don't believe your analysis is correct. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
85. Arizona has a stop and identify statute - no reasonable suspicion required |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. Wrong. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
116. Lawful contact can be someone who witnessed a crime, reported a rape. n/t |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. why are there so many on DU |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. self delete. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Because certain aspects of a person will always be more important than party affiliation. |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
133. I think there is BROAD support for this law. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 01:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
148. Why? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #148 |
155. that's a good point |
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snort (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #148 |
172. Well put. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. I have to respond. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
52. Why are we talking about "papers". It just takes a state ID. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. What would you define as 'reasonable suspicion that |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
86. delete |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #52 |
165. not to avoid being arrested, no |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. I pulled you over because your license plate light isn't working can I ee your papers? |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Driving over the line |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Cops who make up shit should be thrown in jail. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
98. Happened to me, I complained about it here and had some tell me I was lucky to find that I had an |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. What do you have against immigrants? |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. well said. nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. I'm not against legal immigrants. I am against illegal immigrants. Also against tax evaders |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. But surely you can see how legal immigrants and even native Hispanics will be targeted? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. I'm Asian. I fully expect to produce ID if I travel to AZ. Moreover I am from one of the |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #42 |
62. You're a good little German, aren't you. |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
106. So why |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
119. Umm you can be asked to produce ID at any time. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. By whom? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Hiibel v sixth district court of Nevada. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Again, where |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #135 |
156. The question was whether it is constitutional to **ask** for ID and yes it is. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
81. That's not believable. I am in Ca since three months ago and have |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
120. I was just carded in sonoma not when I was tasting wine but when I was buying wine. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. Jesus! |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Ummm sweetie I had already bought the wine tasting, drank the wine and was purchasing my choice. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. So fucking what? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #136 |
154. I'm saying it is no big deal for a person to produce an ID because we do it all the time. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
88. He asked, "Is that really a good idea?" |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
122. I could care less. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Have you had to show your ID because of your skin color? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. I don't know. I'm a pasty white Asian person. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
138. And that's okay with you? (n/t) |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #138 |
164. crickets |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. . |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. So it's okay to piss on the Constitution |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Deleted message |
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Protect terrorists, not Mexicans |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
99. President Obama "shreded" (sic) the Constitution? Oh my. nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
112. Obama has shredded the Constitution? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
118. Deleted message |
WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
100. How do you tell the difference between "legal" & "illegal" immigrants? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #100 |
130. Same way you figure out if a person is over or under age for drinking. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #130 |
142. And what is your "reasonable suspicion" that they ARE illegal? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
111. If you care so much about the rule of law... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #111 |
132. I don't understand how this differs from all the other crap we go through. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
126. Ok so they are cheating |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. It's all part of the same disease. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #126 |
139. Deleted message |
ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.... |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
12. "You will not be accosted on the street unless you do something wrong" LOL |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. An officer walking down the street to his car and says hello to someone is a lawful contact |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yes. Anyone can go to youtube.com and type in "cop threatens" |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. In Ohio they won't stop you for not wearing your seat belt. I was |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Here in Michigan swerving pot holes can get you a reckless driving ticket |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. We had a one horse town Barney Fife that had a scam |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. deleted duplicate post |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 06:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
77. Of course.... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. I served in the Army with many soldiers of Mexican decent |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. Ok here is what I see and hear here in Arizona |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. Reasonable suspicion is not defined? |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
66. good finally someone who knows what it means |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
109. Again why is this question being asked now? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
47. I agree that there needs to be clarification on exactly what is lawful contact and what is |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
70. So Latino citizens could sue the city or state, for example. . . |
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jmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
17. I feel better about racial profiling now knowing it won't happen if somebody doesn't litter. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. Wow... you really drank the koolaid, didn't you? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
53. Dupnik thinks it's unnecessary because he already arrests hundreds of illegal immigrants every mont. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:14 AM Response to Reply #53 |
73. So, YOU speak for this AZ sheriff now? |
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chollybocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
22. Another ignorant apologist on DU. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. Where are you getting that definition of "lawful contact"? nt. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
49. This is what the guy who wrote this clause to pass scrutiny explained. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #49 |
80. I ran across that last night. But I can't find anyone with legal training who is familiar |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
104. A conservative lying? Unbelievable. Media Matters has taken this on and it's false. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
31. "Lawful contact" = frequent seat belt and/or sobriety checkpoints |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Not papers...ID. Don't they ask for those anyway? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
72. not just license and registration... |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
84. You don't know what the concept of 'papers' referes to, do you? |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
89. Not for having brown skin. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
34. That is a painfully naive view of what this is and what it will be. |
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JPK (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Re: Casual proof of citizenship |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. Because our cops are vindictive lawbreaking assholes you mean? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. If I'd wanted to say that, I'd have said that. |
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JPK (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I thought righties ..... |
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JPK (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
37. Papers please |
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JPK (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Hmmmm.....Papers please...................... |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
38. You forgot the main one..don't be caught walking around brown eom |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. Do you know how easy it is to be pulled over over something innocent? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
45. I'll admit that I haven't read the law. But from what I understand |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. They are required if they have a reasonable suspicion that does not include race. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
51. "The legislation requires law enforcement ..." |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Hmm and I guess expecting wall street to shape up is anti white? Or gasp anti-Semitic? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
91. i'll just bet you never ever NEVER break the law.. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. Pah she is SO sick of lawbreakers. Sick sick sick. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
58. last I checked, I wasn't constitutionally required to get a driver's license |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
60. No, the cop can decide you LOOK illegal - hence the reasonable suspicion. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
61. Riiiiight. Keep telling yourself that. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
65. I'm sure Arizona police will be as careful with this law as the Bush Administration was with the... |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. yeah so true |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
71. Question. What is this law supposed to accomplish? |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:21 AM Response to Original message |
74. I wondered where this "lawful contact" focus came from. Sean Hanity. My wife was watching a HuffPo |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
75. it's so nice to see racial profiling get a fair shake on DU. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
102. Isn't it though? And the excuses! Man oh man, the excuses! |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
78. I don't believe you're that stupid. |
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retread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Stupidity and being intentionally obtuse are NOT mutually exclusive. OP is a |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I dunno. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. (snicker) |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
90. That's incorrect. "Lawful contact" with a police officer is merely |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
114. Correct--being victim of a crime is lawful contact. n/t |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
92. OP makes a poor assumption...and an incorrect one at that... |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
93. Riiight. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
95. "You will not be accosted on the street unless you do something wrong", right. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
97. .... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
103. D'oh! Media Matters takes on this conservative lie-Lawful contact could include witnesses,victims, |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
107. lawful contact doesn't mean violation. If the cop is on the clock on the street ANYBODY HE CONTACTS |
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That Is Quite Enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
108. Lawful contact = driving while brown |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. +++++++ |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
113. "Lawful contact" includes being a rape victim, a victim of domestic violence, a witness |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
121. just explained by senator menendez on keith's...2 cops walking down the street and come upon you.... |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #121 |
137. No..No..No... |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. You're confusing reasonable suspicion justifying detainment with what constitutes lawful contact. |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. reasonable suspicion IS required to see ID |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. .... |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. What your describing is NOT reasonable suspicion |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Actually, in law the word "reasonable" is used to create deliberately vague concepts. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #144 |
149. Another definition |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Outstanding post. nt |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. That won't work |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #153 |
160. Sorry, but your "notion" |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. + |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
145. The ONLY way to reduce illegal immigration is to end the reasons why they come here. |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 01:13 AM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Totally agreed. |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
147. You always could be stopped on reasonable suspicion. So, what does this law change, then? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
157. Honestly, what planet are you from? |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
158. They can hold them and turn them over to ICE in these circumstances now. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. That's an easy |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. + |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
159. Or trying to get a job |
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GrantDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
169. Or property code violations, or just about anything an officer can make up... |
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