C-span --- tune in . . . it's getting interesting again --

[defendandprotect]

Just want to mention that C-span is making a bit of a comeback with the changeover

to the Dems -- it's taken a while and it's still recovering, but there are some worthwhile

hearings and comments to be gleaned -- and maybe more DU'ers will get interested now?



Just watching the hearings on health care with Sebelius --

A Repug wanted to know what she thought the HARDEST thing to sell to the American public

would be!

A Dem was pointing out that 20% of nurses who graduated two years ago/? can't find jobs

yet we continue to hear of nursing shortages!

[sinkingfeeling]

1. This article kind of explains why some nurses aren't finding employment.

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/node/59534

[defendandprotect]

3. Thank you --

I wasn't actually able to hear Sebelius' response -- so I don't know what her

reply was.

I took a look at your link -- and logical explanations.

HOWEVER, as many point out, in and around hospitals there are shortages of real

nurses -- many foreign nurses still, I believe?

IMO -- this is simply another profession under attack to reduce wages -- and especially

this one being majority female.

Many professions has suffered having people "imported" to do their jobs --

engineers and computer professions included.

Same tactics: Produce more than are needed here -- they refuse -- then import.

This attack on labor has been going on for decades -- and continues on.

Right now they are saying that this recession has put many women out of work.


We know that when the right wing has been in charge of economy/agenda it does harm to

females, especially -- and to people of color.

But they have been certainly working on reducing salaries in many professions by these

means.

[truedelphi]

14. The article makes a good case for the reasons for all this --

"Older nurses are not retiring - there is too much uncertainty."

So while those critical of "Social Security" make popular the propaganda that the older person's Social Security will hurt the younger person's pay check, those propandists fail to metniton how if people cannot retire EVER then it may become difficult for younger people to be hired in the first place.

[Uben]

2. In my small town.....

...of 15K people, three out of ten "help wanted" ads are for nurses. This is just a mid week edition, and on weekends there are many more ads. Of course, this is one town out of tens of thousands, and our local college has a nationally recognized nursing program, so there are almost always ads looking for nurses in the paper. I have known a lot of nurses. It's not an easy job, and I hold those who chose the profession in the highest esteem. Without them.......well, you know.

[defendandprotect]

4. Yes . . .

but what happens between the ad and the actual employment?

Do they make salary/conditions so difficult as to turn job seekers away?

I'm suspicious about this --

Please also see my response above to another poster --

:)

[Uben]

7. Dunno

I'm really not in the loop as far as that goes. I just took a peek in the paper and saw the three ads. I have no reason to believe the article you posted is not spot on.

[izzybeans]

5. An article I read a while ago had an interesting geographic breakdown

on the nursing shortage. There are real and consequential shortages in rural hospital and clinical systems. Urban and suburban nurses have flooded the labor market and have created an imbalance between supply and demand. Most nursing schools are associated with big universities with large teaching hospitals, and the majority of these are in large metro areas. Very few people leave metro areas for rural life. Migration patterns are directed at cities, especially for young college grads.

Of course that's just one reason. The same thing happened to teachers in the early 2000s. Rural schools were aging, needing new teachers with fewer applicants, meanwhile its very hard to find a job in suburban or urban school districts. My wife, when she graduated from college would show up to what she thought was a job interview at a school to discover a cafeteria of applicants all interviewing in rounds for a handful of positions. Or she'd show up and there would be a line to meet the panel of interviewers for one position.

[defendandprotect]

11. That makes sense, of course -- .as well . . . . but that's why I always so much appreciate

when a Dem -- or someone like Bernie Sanders -- comes forward and gives you the

real dope on why something is happening.

[WilliamPitt]

6. That would mean gathering facts and being informed.

Never fly around here.

[tkmorris]

9. Didn't I just see you in another thread?

Were you not applauding a poster whose entire argument was "No fixee! No fixee for you!"

You can't have it both ways Will. Either snark and insults are acceptable forms of debate, or you can demand facts and reason.

[WilliamPitt]

10. And the picture in your sig line?

Kinda makes the same statement I just made.

So.

[SocialistLez]

8. Single-payer

If we had that, there would be plenty of jobs.

As the article says, "Yet another factor reducing demand for nursing services is a nationwide decline in hospital visits, said Sharon Fleshman, senior associate director at Penn Career Services, who works with Nursing students. "People are postponing what's not completely critical," she said.

"If you're worried that you're going to lose your job, you're not going to have an elective procedure," Career Services director Patricia Rose added. "You might not even be thinking about health care for conditions that might warrant a hospitalization."

Rose pointed out that losing a job often meant losing health benefits as well, constituting another factor behind the decrease in hospital visits."


Source: http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/node/59534

[defendandprotect]

12. And that makes a lot of sense too --

:)

[laughingliberal]

13. That's a lot of what's going on with nursing jobs

At one point the local hospital here was at 50% census which is something I had never seen before. I do know the nursing temp agencies are ringing my phone off the wall. So, I'm thinking hospitals are seeing decreased patients and are filling in during times of need with temps. This is likely to go on a while. Not great news for new nurses as the agencies do tend to want nurses who can hit the ground running. Oftentimes, I've walked in to an institution I've never been in before and had to assume charge of a floor. Most new grads are not yet ready for that.