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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 05:45 PM Original message |
Vegan parents starve son to death |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think the real headline for the story should be |
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youngdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. . |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. Exactly. nt |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. This will make for a nasty thread. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. a little like throwing a steak in a tiger cage isn't it? |
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SexyLiberal (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Being vegan was nothing but fast defense for these dumbasses. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Agreed. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. She *couldn't* breast feed. Breasts are MEAT! |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
81. Not defending, but vegan means no milk or dairy as well |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Breast milk is vegan, though. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
107. Yup. Welcome to DU, btw. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. Something is not right in this story. |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. They were probably fed soy formula, not soy milk |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I wonder if the article got it right |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. If the parents fed the baby soy *milk* (like Edensoy), the baby could have starved on that |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I have 4 kids |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. And they so so right on the label |
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StarryNite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. That's correct |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. Seems the point here was not what, but how *little* the infant was fed. |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Exactly. Plenty of vegan babies thrive. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
108. Oh, that headline is no accident, I suspect. nt |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. It wasn't the veganism |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. 6 weeks, 3.5 pounds |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. There is obviously a lot being lost in the sensationalism of "ZOMG!1 Vegan parents!!11!" |
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flamingyouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. In the other article I read, it said he was born at home. |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I am learning how tragically not-rare this is. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Have a baby at home? |
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flamingyouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I wasn't commenting on the home birth. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I wish I knew the birth rate |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Normal, healthy babies can lose up to about 10% of their body weight.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You would think |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. It's not the vegan diet...it's either real bad or real dumb parents |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
112. By 6 weeks they should have gained that back and then some though |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. If they didn't know? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. He was 3-1/2 pounds |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. If it was 5 lbs to start? |
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SexyLiberal (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. The baby wasn't born in a hospital and NEVER saw a doctor til after death. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
78. Small red flag |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Well there's a doh moment |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
123. ah, these people are liars |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Why would they do that? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. I think 3.5 was the baby's weight when it died, it could have weighed more at birth. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I'm sure it did |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
11. Headline brought to you by the Beef industry |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. There's the story in a nutshell |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. There's only one appropriate response to this subject line |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. Breast milk? |
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SexyLiberal (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
24. Sensational headline to make liberals and vegans look like murderers. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. actually, I just think the parents were stupid and ill informed |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Cherished ideologies? What the hell are you talking about? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. whatever kept them from feeding their kid formula |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Where are liberals mentioned? nt |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
25. I'm a carnivore. And my soy-fed babies did great. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
28. I'm guessing they had no health insurance, therefore no doctor did any follow-up |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. They feared germs at doctors' offices and hospitals, so they never took the baby to the doctor... |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Oh my...this is sounding more and more like a recent episode of House |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Where was that info? |
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AlienGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. In another article (I think it was the one linked in the Lounge). |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
38. Absurdity |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
43. When people think breast milk is "wrong" because it's not "Vegan", |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Yes indeed. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Breast milk is vegan. Any vegan will tell you that. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I have no reason to doubt you. Although, it's not the point. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Lots of mothers don't breastfeed. I don't know why this baby's mother didn't. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. When people insist of "vegan" for infants, that's PURIST. And NUTZ! |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. It isn't nuts to raise one's child as a vegan. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. That's *YOUR* opinion. I still say it's NUTZ. When philosophical |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. I guess Buddhists are all NUTZ! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Ever heard of evolution? Human bodies are made for certain foods. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. If you want to go by evolution, then the baby should get breastmilk... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. Obviously that's the best! That's finally been agreed on by "experts" |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Breast milk is vegan. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. Are hot dogs natural? |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
87. Yes, I've heard of evolution. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. milk and juice for a 6 week old baby |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. well, my guess would be that the baby did not get enough nutrients or volume and became |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
96. Mother's milk is normal, not soy milk |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Why didn't they have soy formula? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Agreed, there was something very wrong with the way they thought |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. It bothers me that the media doesn't care |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
98. A 6 week old baby should be getting nothing but breast milk |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Breast feeding is not a religion either |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. These people might have known good alternatives, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. It's called a 6 week check-up |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. WIC makes physician care available to those unable to |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:20 PM Original message |
That's what I already asked |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. They weren't "purists," they were lunatics. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. soy formula is plenty for babies |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Soy formula is. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. And we don't know why that happened |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
119. A baby would certainly die getting only apple juice and soymilk. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Why didn't they have WIC? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
117. EVERY carton of soy milk I've ever seen says, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. !! You're right...!! |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
84. Exactly Tofunut! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. What these people were doing had nothing to do with any vegan nutrition advice I've ever seen |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. I found a longer article that says the woman claimed she also breast fed |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. "Stuck in their ideology" -- good way to phrase it. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Here's another case of ideologues killing their kids |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. You're right... it's not "natural". When people cant' accept their own |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Ethics are best when they are a personal choice applied only to oneself |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Where exactly, and be very specific, did you see that in relation to this story? |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
54. Poor kid. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Did you read the thread? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. People get their reasoning short-circuited by things |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
118. Of course it didn't |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
67. In these "debates" people seem to forget that most of India is vegan. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I really don't think that is correct. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Sorry for the inaccurate phrasing. There is a wide range of diets among |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. As I understand, Hinduism doesn't prohibit eating meat (except beef.) |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Thanks for the information. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Indian vegans are rare. Indian Lacto-vegetarians are common and Indian food is easily adapted |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. I agree it is ill informed and a blatant generalization equating Vegan |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
109. Not so. My husband was raised strictly Hindu and eats milk, eggs, and of course, ghee. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
72. Looks like it didn't have anything to do with being Vegan at all |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Exactly. The media's stupidity strikes again. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Your slam against people who smoke marijuana is as bad as the bullshit headline. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Come on, you know some people overdo their weed or booze or meth |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #92 |
116. LOL "weed or booze or meth" |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
99. He died in six weeks instead of six months |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
82. Morning radio picked this story up just so they could talk about insane liberals |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. vegan = liberal now? oy. |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Ugh - I guess I can look forward to the Freeper morning zoo DJ bringing |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-03-07 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
90. As many on the thread have pointed out, this seems to be less about veganism |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-05-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #90 |
121. My cat weighs five time that!! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-04-07 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
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