CSPAN Caller: "I wan't all people to have what I had and I am willing to contribute my share"

[berni_mccoy]

CSPAN caller was just asked why she supported the HCR Bill.

"I support this bill because I'm a 13 year survivor of breast cancer, I was the beneficiary of excellent medical care because I had coverage and I had resources. During my treatment I met many people who could not. I wan't all people to have what I had and I am willing to contribute my share"

She added that she's ready to pay more for coverage or in taxes if it means millions more can gain access to it.

[cmd]

1. I stand with the caller. nt

[Dappleganger]

9. As do I--2-time BC survivor here. nt

[gateley]

2. Wow. I'm humbled. What a wonderful soul. Thanks for posting that. nt

[Oregone]

3. If only thats the truth

The level of care people receive will still heavily depend upon their wealth and the quality of their job. Having a low valued actuarial plan isn't going to do miracles for your health or your finances if you get any kind of cancer.


She may pay more taxes, but not everyone will get what she has

[berni_mccoy]

5. The truth is you are against HCR. Good bye. Your opinion no longer matters to me.

[Oregone]

7. Yes, because if people have policy disagreements, their opinion no longer has merit

Its a super approach to life, but since you are *always* right, then you couldn't possibly ever be missing out on a valid debate.

[berni_mccoy]

8. No, because if you support killing this bill, you support closing the discussion on HCR for decades.

That's the reality of it. This gets HCR into law and allows changes to be made within the next 8 years. Without this bill, there will not be another HCR debate for decades. But you knew that already.

[Oregone]

12. And if you support this reform, you support tying quality and access to care to wealth for decades

But thats just a silly strawman, other than the reality of that actually happening. Of course, its already like this, but will definitely be legislated thereafter with no alternative without breaking the entire structure first.

[Dawgs]

11. Maybe if you said something different every once in a while.

You haven't said one thing positive about this bill for over 10 months. You're no help at all.

[Oregone]

14. No one says anything different anymore. Its not a debate. Its talking points and circle jerks

NO ONE in the pro-mandate camp wants to have a serious debate about low actuarial, private plans. They ignore it, then accuse you of repeating yourself.

[CountAllVotes]

13. how valid can a debate be

when one of the debaters lives in Canada? Don't you have health insurance there already? Why would you not want to see it here in the USA? Explain.

[Oregone]

16. Very valid from an objective observer

Yes, I have health insurance, but that doesn't reinforce some circumstantial ad hominem.

Of course I want people in the US to have non-profit, state-run (socialized), egalitarian, single-tiered insurance. Thats sort of the point in offering critique and debate since this "reform" has started, because you aren't getting something that is even on the pathway to that solution.

[CountAllVotes]

18. how do you know what I have?

this bill will likely have little effect on me. It is about insuring people that have zero insurance. If it covers said people, I am all for it.

Too many Americans are dying and going broke every day because they have no health insurance.

And you have a problem with this living in a country that insures its populace already? :wtf:

[Oregone]

23. Too many Americans with insurance are dying and going broke (and still will)

Covering people with low actuarial valued plans isn't going to change that overnight.


And yes, I do have a problem. Seeing a real health care system in an adjacent country lets me know it is beyond possible. Having the US pay private insurers to "cover" people with bloated plans designed to make a profit is outrageous, and its even more outrageous that its being passed of as a "solution"

[laughingliberal]

20. The caller to C-span wants everyone to have what she had

Perhaps this poster who has a plan in Canada which allows him access to doctors, hospitals, and treatment without creating financial hardship would like everyone to have what he has.

[Edweird]

15. As if any opinion other than yours mattered up till now....

[Donnachaidh]

17. marginalizing -- it's not just done by the *other* side anymore

Nice -- one suggestion though. Get a bigger size to the jackboots - it's cutting off the critical blood flow. :eyes:

[laughingliberal]

21. Indeed. nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. I would hope that, as a human being, someday my son will matter

to you.

This, this plan, is out of my reach with a preexisting condition.

[Posteritatis]

24. To be fair she's simply expressing a desire

I get reasonably decent health care. I want everyone, without exceptions, to have at least reasonably decent healthcare. I'm willing to contribute towards the goal or implementation of everyone having decent healthcare. Will I get what I want anytime soon? Of course not. Would I welcome and advocate for moves in that direction? Of course.

[Oregone]

25. Fair enough

I just thought the distinction was important because a lot of people are trying to equate these policies with "universal health care".

[Posteritatis]

26. Yeah, I figured that's what the caller wanted but, alas, not what's gonna happen soon. (nt)

[treestar]

4. During her treatment she met people

That's often what makes a big difference. Too many right wingers thinks it's OK others don't have treatment, but it's a faceless mass of people.

[tridim]

6. That really boils it down precisely.

Anyone who doesn't understand this simple concept is not human.

[Bluerthanblue]

10. THAT is what I believe should be the American voice-

the voice of a citizen of a country seeking a "more perfect UNION" and promoting "the GENERAL WELFARE"...

As written in the first sentence of our Constitution.

:hi:

[howaboutme]

19. Versus I've got mine and the hxll with you

Isn't that the general philosophy of the Republican Party?

They want to keep what they have and not share it with others and put far too much emphasis on self determination as the reason for their success. Yes it is a factor but luck is a much larger factor. It involves having good health and being born into the right family, with family wealth, family name, ethnicity, connections that go along with it, the money and connections to attend an Ivy League university, or any higher education, and most of all that they are lucky enough not to be born in Haiti or many other poor nations where achieving is nearly impossible.

We need to start looking out for our country instead only ourselves. We need to put our foot down on those who scam the system at all levels from fraud at the top to fraud at the bottom. When we see others who get away with beating the system it undermines the desire to sacrifice to help others.

[berni_mccoy]

29. Many DUers fit in that category as well.

Most of them that are for killing the bill got theirs already. One is even a Canadian.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. And so very many of them haven't "gotten" theirs. They are only asking

for a true "reform" that will help us with preexisting conditions, not harm us.

Thank you. I'm going to hide this and place you on ignore because you are bit too "my way or the highway" for me. Have a nice night.

[Peacetrain]

22. K&R!!

[Kablooie]

27. Well, she can just leave the Republican party if she feels that way.

The Republican mantra is "I've got mine so you can die for all I care."

[berni_mccoy]

28. ?

[berni_mccoy]

30. Dinner time kick.

This was an important statement that everyone needs to see.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. A lot of us are more than ready to pay more to get more

I will pay for YOUR health care, Bernie, if it is through a national plan that gives everyone the same coverage.

That sentiment has not one damned thing to do with this bill or that bill or the other bill.

Don't conflate.

:eyes:

[eridani]

34. Too bad us Bronze level garbage people will have to pay 40% of our bills first n/t