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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:00 PM
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Woman's Body/Woman's Choice...Ginsburg
http://www.ontheissues.org/Court/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg_Abortion.htm

It’s a woman’s body and a woman’s choice
Senator Hank Brown: equal rights for men and women on the question of abortion.

Ginsburg: I will rest my answer on the Casey decision, which says in the end it’s her body, her life, and men - to that extent - are not similarly situated. They don’t bear the child.

Brown: the rights of men and women are not equal in this case.

Ginsburg: I said on the equality side of it, that it is essential to a woman’s equality with man that she be the decision-maker, that her choice be controlling. If you impose restraints, you are disadvantaging her because of her sex.. The state controlling a woman would mean denying her full autonomy and full equality.

Source: Senate Nomination Hearing, excerpts in NY Times Jul 22, 1993

...and now:

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/breaking-scotus-upholds-abortion-ban/

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, speaking in the courtroom for the dissenters, called the ruling "an alarming decision" that refuses "to take seriously" the Court's 1992 decisions reaffirming most of Roe v. Wade and its 2000 decision in Stenberg v. Carhart striking down a state partial-birth abortion law.

Ginsburg, in a lengthy statement, said "the Court's opinion tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. For the first time since Roe, the Court blesses a prohibition with no exception protecting a woman's health." She said the federal ban "and the Court's defense of it cannot be understood as anything other than an effort to chip away at a right declared again and again by this Court — and with increasing comprehension of its centrality to women's lives. A decision of the character the Court makes today should not have staying power."

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:03 PM
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1. Which in a rational society, devoted to equality, would end the argument.
Alas, America is neither a rational society or devoted to equality.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:25 PM
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2. Yup...still chattel...n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:38 PM
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3. Oops...I forgot to K&R a great post.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:42 PM
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4. K & R n/t
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:43 PM
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5. K & R - one more R needed for the Greatest Page.....n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:58 PM
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6. K&R
:hi:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:47 PM
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7. her reasons are essential reading
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-380.pdf

Ginsburg J. starts at p. 49 of the 73-page pdf doc.
(some passages reproduced below; emphases mine, citations omitted)

Ultimately, the Court admits that “moral concerns” are at work, concerns that could yield prohibitions on any abortion. ... (“Congress could ... conclude that the type of abortion proscribed by the Act requires specific regulation because it implicates additional ethical and moral concerns that justify a special prohibition.”). Notably, the concerns expressed are untethered to any ground genuinely serving the Government’s interest in preserving life. By allowing such concerns to carry the day and case, overriding fundamental rights, the Court dishonors our precedent. See, e.g., Casey, ... (“Some of us as individuals find abortion offensive to our most basic principles of morality, but that cannot control our decision. Our obligation is to define the liberty of all, not to mandate our own moral code.”); Lawrence v. Texas, ... (Though “{f}or many persons {objections to homosexual conduct} are not trivial concerns but profound and deep convictions accepted as ethical and moral principles,” the power of the State may not be used “to enforce these views on the whole society through operation of the criminal law.” (citing Casey,...).

... The solution the Court approves, then, is not to require doctors to inform women, accurately and adequately, of the different procedures and their attendant risks. Cf. Casey, ... (plurality opinion) (“States are free to enact laws to provide a reasonable framework for a woman to make a decision that has such profound and lasting meaning.”). Instead, the Court deprives women of the right to make an autonomous choice, even at the expense of their safety.

This way of thinking reflects ancient notions about women’s place in the family and under the Constitution—ideas that have long since been discredited. Compare, e.g., Muller v. Oregon, ... (1908) (“protective” legislation imposing hours-of-work limitations on women only held permissible in view of women’s “physicalstructure and a proper discharge of her maternal funct”); Bradwell v. State, 16 Wall. 130, 141 (1873) (Bradley, J., concurring) (“Man is, or should be, woman’s protector and defender. The natural and proper timidity and delicacy which belongs to the female sex evidently unfits it for many of the occupations of civil life. ... The paramount destiny and mission of woman are to fulfil{l} the noble and benign offices of wife and mother.”), with United States v. Virginia, ... (1996) (State may not rely on “overbroad generalizations” about the “talents, capacities, or preferences” of women; “{s}uch judgments have ... impeded . . . women’s progress toward full citizenship stature throughout our Nation’s history”); Califano v. Goldfarb, ... (1977) (gender-based Social Security classification rejected because it rested on “archaic and overbroad generalizations” “such as assumptions as to {women’s} dependency” ...).

Though today’s majority may regard women’s feelings on the matter as “self-evident,” ... this Court has repeatedly confirmed that “{t}he destiny of the woman must be shaped ... on her own conception of her spiritual imperatives and her place in society.” Casey, 505 U. S., at 852. See also id., at 877 (plurality opinion) (“{M}eans chosen by the State to further the interest in potential life must be calculated to inform the woman’s free choice, not hinder it.”); ... .


As a companion piece, I continue to recommend the reasons of Madam Justice Bertha Wilson in Morgentaler (and others in the majority; Willson J. starts at p. 161), the 1988 decision in which the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the criminal abortion law here.

It is probably impossible for a man to respond, even imaginatively, to such a dilemma not just because it is outside the realm of his personal experience (although this is, of course, the case) but because he can relate to it only by objectifying it, thereby eliminating the subjective elements of the female psyche which are at the heart of the dilemma. As Noreen Burrows, lecturer in European Law at the University of Glasgow, has pointed out in her essay on "International Law and Human Rights: the Case of Women's Rights", in Human Rights: From Rhetoric to Reality (1986), the history of the struggle for human rights from the eighteenth century on has been the history of men struggling to assert their dignity and common humanity against an overbearing state apparatus. The more recent struggle for women's rights has been a struggle to eliminate discrimination, to achieve a place for women in a man's world, to develop a set of legislative reforms in order to place women in the same position as men (pp. 81-82). It has not been a struggle to define the rights of women in relation to their special place in the societal structure and in relation to the biological distinction between the two sexes. Thus, women's needs and aspirations are only now being translated into protected rights. The right to reproduce or not to reproduce which is in issue in this case is one such right and is properly perceived as an integral part of modern woman's struggle to assert her dignity and worth as a human being.




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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 05:51 PM
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8. I LOVE Ginsburg
She was also a dissenting Justice in stopping the vote count in Florida. She didn't want to stop the counting. She's cool.
Lee
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:33 PM
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9. k&r
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