DOJ Investigators Were Told Yoo's Emails Had Been Deleted

[kpete]

Source: Talking Points Memo

DOJ Investigators Were Told Yoo's Emails Had Been Deleted
Zachary Roth | February 19, 2010, 6:08PM

Justice Department investigators looking into the Torture Memos were told that emails sent by John Yoo had been deleted and couldn't be recovered.

In a footnote to the just-released report on the memos by the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility, the authors write:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/justice_department_releases_internal_report_on_bus.php

(Office of Legal Counsel) initially provided us with a relatively small number of emails, files, and draft documents. After it became apparent, during the course of our review, that relevant documents were missing, we requested and were given direct access to the email and computer records of REDACTED, Yoo, Philbin, Bybee, and Goldsmith. However, we were told that most of Yoo's records had been deleted and were not recoverable. Philbin's email records from July 2002 through August 5, 2002 -- the time period in which the Bybee Memo was completed and the Classified Bybee Memo (discussed below) was created -- had also been deleted and were reportedly not recoverable. Although we were initially advised that Goldsmith's records had been deleted, we were later told that they had been recovered and we were given access to them.

That means the OPR investigators were without a key source of evidence as they weighed whether Yoo and others violated professional standards of conduct.




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[elehhhhna]

1. 1) ain't nothing deleted unless you have an expert do it

2) having an expert delete it = an additional violation of professional standards and conduct.

Send 'em to GITNO

[elehhhhna]

2. IIRC, they're on the RNC server's email, remember?

[elehhhhna]

3. treason & the "my dog ate my homework" defense

coming to bookstores near you!

[Webster Green]

4. So many US war criminals get to walk off totally free..

This mutherfucker is responsible for torture and death and is still teaching as far as I know.

He should be in prison for the rest of his miserable life. :mad:

[hlthe2b]

5. well, then I guess we have to hope there is a God...

since that is the only hope we have of them facing justice.

[elehhhhna]

18. Baloney. One can't cite an NONEXISTANT memo as a defense.

Prove the permission memo exists. Oh, it can't be produced? Than legally it can't be introduced into evidence. Hang 'em all for treason and lying to the courts.

[Snazzy]

6. 18 1/2 minutes of missing audio destroyed Nixon

Millions of Bush admin emails get 86'd and nada. Impeachment was off the table and keep looking forward baby.

(Oh and that's not to mention the various other crimes and treason--Nixon didn't ever admit on Sunday morning live teevee that he tortured anyone for instance).

[L. Coyote]

8. YOU MEAN: 18 1/2 minutes of missing audio destroyed BY Nixon save his ass

and likely kept him and a lot of friends out of jail.

[Snazzy]

9. yes I do

:toast:

[Snazzy]

10. there were millions of destroyed emails

with mandated advance retention policies under a wide variety of laws including the Presidential Records Act, FOIA, and the many other statutes outlined, for example, by the National Archives here:

http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/

Laws which existed before Shrub assumed the position (a pun, har har).

Not only did they set up parallel (shadow) email systems using RNC servers and separate "political" desktop computers, and the even sneakier gwb43.com. And not only did the guy who ran all that (throw in a couple of elections while ya at it, why don't ya) happen to die in a small plane crash just before his court date.

No, that wasn't good enough. Whitehouse emails, Justice Dept. emails--on government servers, not the RNC, well, they're just ... gone! Tech glitch, whaddyaknow.

Nixon certainly had some problems (some issues? weird pscho mofo, ha) and was taping himself. But had he not, we wouldn't have known what was missing, and the thread to pull.

With the Bush crowd, we told them, in advance, what not to delete and of course they did so anyway on a massive scale.

Oh and what about those CIA torture vids anyway. Old news I suppose, so who cares! Delete the tapes, delete the email it's like magic, never happened.

So I guess I'm saying Nixon was born ahead of his time. He'd be luvin' it now.

[L. Coyote]

11. FACT CHECK

"And not only did the guy who ran all that (throw in a couple of elections while ya at it, why don't ya) happen to die in a small plane crash just before his court date."

The owner of SMARTech was pronounced the deceased from a plane crash of his small plane near Cleveland, Ohio.
His company hosted Republican domains and therefore his company servers handled the domain e-mail engines.
The stealing elections story is a cover-up of the stealing of the election.

His court date had passed. He had been deposed in an election lawsuit and nothing of note happened.

While those deposing him in the election story sought his protection, there's no link between the fake election story and his possibly being in danger except that his predicament as "the guy who knows everything" made him the perfect target of the false flag story, especially if you knew in advance that the plan was to have him crash in his plane! Now the election story seems resurrected as plausible to the conspiratorial eyes and it covers up the real reason his plane crashed!!!

The very fact that some peddlers of disinformation say this guy should not get on his own small plane, and then he does and dies, should make one question the disinformation peddlers role.

[L. Coyote]

13. Reflection on FACT CHECK

We can't imagine how big the thing they are covering up is, it often seems. But, when people die in plane crashes, that should put some evidence in the conspicuously-missing (as in Watergate) "How big is this thing anyway" folder.

Watergate: 18 minutes of tape deleted to hide crimes.

Bush Junta: 10,000,000 e-mails deleted to hide crimes.

Not to difficult to do the math. The Enterprise is up to the usual crimes, except they just get worse with time, especially after getting away with the Iran-Contra war crimes. Those who know what efforts went into covering up Iran-Contra crimes post getting caught and during hearings and judicial inquiries and in the end let them run free, and get back the White House basement, should not only know their mistakes all too well now, but should see right thru this stuff to the base facts. Their silence speaks volumes too, but I don't get what language it is.

Have we reached Peak Corruption yet?

[Snazzy]

16. Schleicher Intimus 007 S cross-cut

After Colonel Oliver North told Congress that he used a Schleicher Intimus 007 S cross-cut model to shred Iran-Contra documents, sales for that company increased nearly 20 percent in 1987.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_shredder

And today, Noriega says he really wants the Supremes to hear his Geneva status. Oh there's some common threads alright.

[Snazzy]

15. indeed

Could well be an element of misdirection when the fall guy falls out of the sky. With a cherry on top:

“I have pieces of my husband’s brain!” she cries. “I picked them up with my hands six days after the crash. Chunks of his skin and internal organs. How is that a proper investigation? How is that acceptable? How dare they leave pieces of my husband lying there!”

She pulls out another storage box filled with personal items from the crash site: $50 in cash; a charred prayer book with a note inside it reading, “I love you”; a Mickey Mouse dollar bill. Something important is missing, though. “Why do I have his earpiece?” she asks, pulling out the Jawbone headset of a BlackBerry. “This was in his backpack. And the backpack was zipped. So where’s his phone?”

“He always clips them next to each other,” interjects her 15-year-old daughter, Lauren. It’s an important detail because it suggests that the BlackBerry may have been intentionally removed from the backpack. On it were hundreds, if not thousands, of sensitive files and e-mails relating to Karl Rove and the Bush administration.

http://www.maxim.com/humor/stupid-fun/86265/mysterious-death-bushs-cyber-guru.html

[Imagevision]

7. This is the best Obama can deliver - I 'HOPE' not...

[Supersedeas]

19. now that integrity the legal profession can be proud of -- Professionally Responsible Yoo?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. As an aside, last night on Real Time, Spitzer said that prosecuting anyone for torture will be

impossible now. The defense can use "but I relied upon my attorney's legal advise."

[L. Coyote]

14. This is more like a US DoJ internal matter, deciding what to do about their own lawyers internal

work advising government actions.

This IS NOT a barrier to war crimes prosecutions. It certainly is WHY there have to be International tribunals and courts. Burning witches involved laws, judges, trials, and sentences. It always happens that way with states, the rules are simply malleable constructs to use to do what wantever and the rules are rewritten as needed.

The defense can NOT use "but I relied upon my attorney's legal advise" in an international war crimes venue, and I think the idea this gives everyone a free pass in the US merits more reflection.

[elehhhhna]

17. Spitzer should read up on the Nuremberg trials.

Altho' he surely knows better...wonder why he'd deliberately forget that precedent.