They were just saying on NPR how this current HC "reform" is basically 90s Puke legislation.

[Odin2005]

Is there any more reason to hate the goddamn "Centrists"?

[QC]

1. Sure, there are plenty of other reasons, but yes, that's an especially good one. n/t

[MadHound]

2. Worse still, if you look at it

It is quite similar to health care "reform" that Nixon proposed almost forty years ago.

How's that for scary. Nixon-care:yoiks:

[mdmc]

3. yet we "celebrate" it and the gop hates it

:shrug:

[stillwaiting]

20. Not all of us celebrate it. The fact that the Goopers are all against it is predictable.

They are sheep that are very easily led.

It's the liberals that cause headaches for our ruling elite.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

4. I have felt for a long time that this seems more like a Republican bill than a real Democratic one

No cost controls, no real regulation, mandates for private for profit companies, no drug negotiation.

I have to pinch myself in disbelief when I think that this is what a Democratic President and Congress delivered to me and everyone else.

[ggggghhhhh]

9. There does seem to be a disconnect someplace

I am also in disbelief. The phrase "Slack-jawed" comes to mind.

Or dumbfounded.

Flabergasted.

Titilated. Oh... wait. Never mind.

[Fumesucker]

5. Tisk, tisk.. You are being insufficiently bipartisan..

You must be some sort of purist radical..

;)

[Odin2005]

6. Yep, I am!

That's why I have the Evil DUer heart! :evilgrin:

[Fumesucker]

10. I have that one too..

:hug:

[bullwinkle428]

7. And those fuckers Grassley and Hatch were CO-SPONSORS of

the bill which contained the very elements they're now screaming about!!

[Odin2005]

8. Yep, they pointed that out.

[laughingliberal]

11. There is no doubt it's a Republican style bill

Every scrap of help for people was stripped out. It was like they set out to bail out the insurance companies (which is what they set out to do) and tried to make sure people got as little help as possible in it. Add in the $373 billion they stripped from Medicare (that's the amount cut up and above the MA subsidies) and you have a nice, little start on declaring Medicare broke and in need of privatization.

[Odin2005]

12. We have to get rid of these DLC corporatists. I am SOOOO fucking pissed...

[laughingliberal]

13. I have tried to imagine a way they could have made the Senate bill any worse

and, unless they just ordered us to send in money to the insurance companies without any requirement they give us a policy, I don't see how it could have been worse. I guess, though, leaving in a loophole to allow rescission to continue was about the same thing. That way, you send money to them and when you get sick they can cancel you after collecting your money for months or years. Same as it is now. No reform. Just another corporate bailout.

[Odin2005]

16. The whole mandate thing was the tip-off for me.

I'm thinking "Wait, you want people to be required to pay for the product of a private company or be fined? Sounds Fascist.".

[laughingliberal]

18. Yep. Kind of obvious. Without a public option, it's just another bailout

which I believe was the goal all along.

[zipplewrath]

14. Obama practically bragged as such

When speaking to the GOP congress critters, he pointed this out explicitly. I immediately wrote the "Change for America" folks and asked if they really thought that the "change" we all voted for was to switch to 1990's GOP ideas.

[Odin2005]

15. I can't beleive I worked my ass off for him. I am SO disgusted.

I thought I was getting an anti-establishment moderate like Dean. :grr:

[spanone]

17. Now Promoting Republicans....npr is lost

[laughingliberal]

19. Kill the messenger?

I'm not happy with the shift to the right of NPR but this story is accurate. The Senate bill is very much the same bill the GOP wanted to pass instead of Clinton's HCR bill.

[JCMach1]

21. Current Dem. plan is essentialy Dole '93 Plan...

:(

And yet , the pigs won't buy it. We can't keep surrendering every inch as they will take 2miles.

[ipaint]

22. This is no accident.

Centrists are republicans. Conservatives who don't have the courage to admit it. They want it both ways, using each side when it fits their personal goals. In the end you end up with right wing policy based on social darwinism which they like to call "incrementalism".