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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:46 PM
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Has capitalism killed the free press?
In the early months of 1776, Thomas Paine walked briskly around the busy Philadelphia streets, searching for any surface capable of holding a nail. When he found them, he pegged to them a copy of his latest pamphlet "Common Sense", which was destined to be the rhetorical clarion call for the American Revolution.

His aim wasn't to find advertisers. His aim wasn't to get rich. His aim was to enlighten, and spread the flame of a movement. To disburse his own truth to those who would hear it. Whether he knew it at the time or not, the fine tradition of the American free press had begun, very likely, with his own actions.

Fast forward to 2010. That "free press", long ensconced in the US Constitution, has all but been relegated to the status of a painful joke. The press, the media in general, has since become not a vanguard of the peoples' right to know, but just another business relying on the influx of dollars instead of intelligence and truth.

Michael Moore, while taking questions about his latest film "Capitalism: A Love Story", engaged the question of what happened to our wonderful free press:

"If you want to give me 90 seconds," he told the press, "I'll give you my two cents about why I think a year from now, or two years from now, we're not going to have daily newspapers, and that we're in the last year of reading the daily newspaper. And for those of you who are from daily newspapers, I thought about, before I came here, I though this the last time I'm going to talk to some of these papers, which is kind of a sad feeling - that I won't see you again unless you're on the Internet after this. This is it. So, do you want to hear that?"

"Of course they want to hear that," replied moderator Thom Powers.

"Two main things I want to say: Why aren't the newspapers in Europe going under? It's not that newspapers in Europe are having an easy time - again, we're in an economic recession that's worldwide, but why aren't they going under? The American newspapers, oh they say 'It's the Internet. Papers are getting killed by the Internet.' Last I've heard they've got the Internet in Europe. And they've got the Internet in Japan. So why aren't their papers folding like ours are going under? European, Japanese, other countries many, most, of their newspapers, the primary source of their funding is circulation. Advertising is second. In our country, advertising is the primary source of funding, circulation is second.

Anything you say that the people who read your newspaper are secondary to the business community you've lost, eventually you're not going to survive at that point when you're primary concern is the advertiser. In Europe, they know in order to keep circulation up they better put out a damn good newspaper. They better put out something that people read, and they better not cut too many reporters because if certain beats aren't being covered, people aren't going to read the paper."


And why should they? After all, As Mr. Moore so well demonstrated, the free press media has long since sacrificed it's calling as truth seeker and herald to the public, for being simply another business out to do whatever is necessary to swell the bottom line. As such, in a terrible and deep cutting irony, an unpopular truth will get a fraction of the press spotlight that a popular lie will. "If it bleeds, it leads". Why is that? Because the press switched course from telling the public what they may not want to hear, to allowing what the public wants to hear to guide their journalistic practices. American Idol meets the press badge.

Which leads to the question.....has capitalism destroyed the free press? In a tug of war between the publication of investigative truth telling and paying the bills, which should win out?

If the free market has succeeded in thoroughly gutting the American free press, how can it be saved with another model?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:48 PM
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1. An excellent question. It might seem therefore that capitalism contained the seeds of its own
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 08:48 PM by BrklynLiberal
destruction.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:50 PM
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2. No, a combination of bias and corruption did that..n/t
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:53 PM
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6. So then, is it possible to be a herald to the people and still be a freestanding business?
Because it seems these days that those two things are more and more in conflict.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:57 PM
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9. No more in conflict than the failure of our elected officials
yielding to bias and corruption to ruin our economy..capitalism? just a vehicle to deliver the goods to the biased and corrupted..
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:51 PM
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3. No, capitalism didn't kill the press. It just keeps it as a dutiful pet. n/t
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:54 PM
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7. In the way the old USSR kept TASS, by chance?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:59 PM
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11. In a manner
Infiltration of our media by economic elites is overwhelming.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:06 PM
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12. So what's the alternative? IS there an alternative?
That's what I'm trying to see.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:46 PM
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22. I can't believe you are seriously asking that question while utilizing the INTERNET.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:53 PM
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23. I am not a major news organization, so I fail to see the relevence to topic.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:57 PM
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10. EXCELLENT way of putting it
yes INDEED
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 11:10 AM
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40. Major newspapers don't hire social critics and Left-wingers. Simple as that.
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 11:15 AM by leveymg
Yes, there are the house "liberals" on the op-ed page and some tolerance for diversity of thought and lifestyle in the newsroom -- provided it doesn't find its was way into print. Everyone knows how to censor themselves, or they are quickly weeded out.

It's a business, run like a business, owned by businessmen.
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:52 PM
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4. It's mostly about supply & demand
If people want what the press offers the people will buy it.

Otherwise, they'll consider different sources.

In addition, newer technology via the Internet has made it available to everyone thus drawing readers away from newspapers & magazines.

I think it's little unreasonable to say it's a result of capitalism.

It's almost like saying did capitalism kill the ice deliverer, the newspaper boy, or milkman?

No, not really. Times & technology changes and so do people.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:08 PM
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13. So what you are saying is...
People will only buy what they want to hear? Regardless if the truth is otherwise?

Excuse me but that sure undercuts journalism in its entirety, does it not?
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:10 PM
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14. Sadly, I think so
Lots of people will only buy what appeals to them.

Sort of the reason for why junk food is so popular and healthy foods are harder to find.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:13 PM
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16. That's tragic on so many levels,
number one, that the public cannot discern the news from their choice in a novel. Wow.
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:11 PM
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28. Or, as it appears, the free pess will try to sensationalize the news to profit
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 10:12 PM by The Northerner
Look at the presentations of most "news" outlets these days.

Lots of reports on scandals, entertainment, violence, etc.

Demand plays a MAJOR role in society.

- Why are bigger vehicles more popular than smaller vehicles? (although this is changing)
- Why are junk foods more popular than healthy food?
- Why are cars more popular than trains or subways?
- Why are skankier clothes more popular than modest clothes?

If only the demands of the people were more interested in actual news there'd likely be no problem.

Less demand = less revenue = less success

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:52 PM
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5. The market place of ideas is a competition to begin with...
The illusion of a free press was propogated by events such as the triumph of Watergate and the dethroning of McCathyism. Other than that, it's been pretty much sensationalism, murder and mayhem and such.

Thoughful exchanges of ideas happen in the University system which, by the way, has been stymied by political correctness as demonized by the right...

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:54 PM
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8. The press isn't dead, it's just that investigative journalism is not as important as American Idol.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:21 PM
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17. Sounds like mission accomplished, to me!
I don't know what the big difference is there.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:41 PM
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20. +1
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:13 PM
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15. The free press throve under capitalism for decades
it is today's hyper-corporate capitalism that is killing it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:16 PM
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30. Under REGULATED capitalism . . .
unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime -- !!

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:27 PM
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18. The "press" is more free today than it ever has been since the cost of publishing
via the Internet is next to nothing per reader. There are also great people publishing on the Internet who would never gotten in print during the so called glory days of journalism (i.e.: Amy Goodman). That big print media is taking serious hits in the US and not so much elsewhere is a cultural issue. It is not a "free press" issue.

As for journalism itself, it has always been a questionable profession at best. No standards, no certifications, no accreditations are required. It has always been in any of its forms, if you could hold an audience and sell ads or papers. Hedda Hopper and Westbrook Pegler come to mine of sterling examples of that from the golden age of newspapers.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:40 PM
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19. No news value = no paper. Tv network news is going down too for the same reason.
Take a look at FSTV and LinkTV. They are viewer sponsored. They report the truth. They have programs like Democracy Now, Tom Hartman, Grit TV which are all excellent informative programs. You can watch Al Jazeera on LinkTV. Where else can you get news from the other side? BBC, DW and INN are better choices for news than any commercial US network news channel. I would pay for a good newspaper just like I donate to FSTV if only the papers would stand for and investigate the truth in all matters. Too bad they had to go along with all the Iraq war hoopla and nation flag worshiping. It was foolish and it is part of their epic fail and demise. They failed us and they will do it again if given the chance. Good riddance to them ...and save the trees.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:44 PM
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21. Amen. This "The news I want to hear" bullshit reminds me of
the kid who went to take an exam and wondered why the teacher didn't just accept the answers he preferred to give instead of the real ones.

What a bunch of crap. That kind of "news" is just entertainment along with regular programming at that point.
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Snow Bird Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 09:54 PM
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24. 1st you have to answer the question
Has there ever really been a free press? I would argue that if you studied what passed for journalism in the past, with few exceptions, you wouldn't find that the press has ever been all that free.

The old newspaper Barron's come to mind.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:22 PM
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34. Agree . . . however, the money corruption and hyping of violence has
accelerated the deterioration --

It's certainly a completely corporate endeavor now serving the interests of the right wing,

CIA & Pentagon.

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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:25 PM
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35. The Jerry Springerization of the press
how does that sound?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:31 PM
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36. Essentially . . .
though I really never saw him on TV, presume I know what you're saying --

Ironically, for a short time he had a radio show on Air America and he was

very liberal, rather sane!

Long ago, Carl Bernstein wrote an article in Rolling Stone re CIA "journalists"

infiltrating the press. The Congress still refuses to ban this with legislation.

I think the first time Bernstein wrote about it he reported something like 600-700

of them -- a few years later 1,200 -- and on and on!

Pentagon now also has a large stake in our "press" --


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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:03 PM
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25. yup
.
.
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looooooong time ago

(sigh)

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:08 PM
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26. The dollar bill kills everything it touches . . . but the CIA/Pentagon also had something
to do with it -- !!

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:11 PM
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27. ever hear of william randolph hearst? think he wasn't interested in making money?
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:18 PM
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31. Yes, I have. And that just begs the question.
Hearst almost singlehandedly started the Spanish-American war with his flagrantly ridiculous headlines (the early Rupert Murdoch, one could say). What was he playing into? The growing American surge of patriotism and a thirst for war. "Give the people what they want!" right?

Problem is, "truth" got lost somewhere along the way.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:13 PM
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29. As long as "the press" is owned by private means then it isn't "free".
It never really has been. We see what the highest paying advertisers and the religious and economic (CORPO) interests want us to see.

Who has the means to advertise on national TV; who chooses who/what gets what price and what content is "acceptable"?

Beats me. It is not in anyway FREE IMHO.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:20 PM
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33. Exactly. So is there a better way? Besides state control
which nobody in their right mind would want, either?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:35 PM
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37. Don't Europeans buy "licenses" for TV?
I think we have to understand however that we will always have dishonest men

among us -- and therefore attempts to corrupt any system!!

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Snow Bird Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:51 PM
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38. Benjamin Franklin's broadsheets
of the 18th century were privately owned. He published leading up to and during the American Revolution and helped win the propaganda war against the British.

He pushed his agenda and was known to turn a profit doing it. Let's not get all Pollyanna about the "old days".
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:58 PM
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39. Do you honestly believe that he was like Rupert Murdoch?
I mean really?
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:19 PM
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32. yes
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