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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:11 PM
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Best Commercial Ever?
It ran one time, and one time only. During a Superbowl.

Many call it the best ever...I can't say I disagree that much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUrf6Qg4T4E

:beer:

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:14 PM
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1. That is beautiful.
I don't drink beer, and I disapprove of the war.......

And that is STILL beautiful.

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:17 PM
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2. Oh my. Something in my throat and eye. Just beautiful...n/t
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:18 PM
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3. No. Not in my mind.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:21 PM
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4. People can go to Pease Airforce Base in Portsmouth NH to greet them
when they come home. There is an organization http://www.peasegreeters.org/ that informs you when their planes are coming in. Some of them are blown away by the amounts of people who show up to greet them. A friend of mine went a few weeks ago and she said she got all emotional. It's a cool thing to do.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:22 PM
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5. I prefer this one...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:58 PM
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27. thats a hoot. i never watch tv, so i dont see any of these. fun. nt
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HarveyDarkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:38 PM
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44. That's one of my favorites too
I think of it every time someone compares organizing atheists to herding cats, Probably apropos to Democrats too.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:18 PM
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50. I like the catboy (like cowboy, only for cats) who is working the
lint brush.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:25 PM
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51. That one was full of silly...
and I loved it

Nearly peed myself from laughing the first time I saw it on TV

:7

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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:30 PM
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56. I like that one, too...
In a sense, it's what we do here, too!
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:04 AM
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61. THAT one is good. n/t
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:14 AM
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73. That was my first thought when I saw this thread...
:rofl:
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:26 PM
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93. Me, too!
It's my most favorite Super Bowl commercial ever.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 07:19 PM
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101. Money out the wazoo
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:57 PM
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107. That's the one
The funniest commercial I've ever seen.

Bar none.

:rofl:
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 04:29 AM
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114. Found another that's a real hoot
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:22 PM
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6. Exploitative, cheesy, and dumb.
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:36 PM
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:37 PM
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10. Remember the post 9-11 commercials?
Let's remember the fallen victims of this senseless tragedy. Eat at Jack-in-the-Box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtf3gNfVlkg
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:41 PM
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12. Jack-in-the Box?
WTF are you talking about?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:43 PM
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13. Commercials.
Exploitative, cheesy, dumb commercials.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:13 PM
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:54 PM
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22. .
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 08:03 PM by seabeyond
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:53 PM
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21. Agreed
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:33 PM
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7. This is a better Budweiser ad...
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:38 PM
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11. I'd say they are equally good.
Thanks for the link!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:56 PM
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26. yup. like that one too. nt
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:35 PM
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8. I love that commercial. n/t
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:44 PM
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14. propaganda
it fits as the antithesis to the "spit on the babykiller" myth the right wing manufactured in the wake of the vietnam war. it is all brainwashing to counteract the 1960s. the "people" came too close to power by the late 60s/early 70s in such a way that all sorts of reactionary backlash came into play. the establishment of a conservative think tank movement in the early 70s helped to pave the road to ronald reagan.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:18 PM
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32. Look sport, the spit on is truth
My Uncle was greeted by a spitter. My Uncle spent a night in jail because he wouldn't apologize to the asshole he knocked out.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:23 PM
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35. My Uncle almost killed Hitler
during WW2
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 09:50 PM
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104. You're very funny. n/t
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:23 PM
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36. Wasn't a myth.
My father got spit on and abused when he got back from Vietnam.

The right wing exploited it but it wasn't false.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:25 PM
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37. it's a scene from First Blood
Rambo
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:27 PM
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:42 PM
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58. Yep.
That's even sadder.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:33 AM
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63. Yep.
There's no such scene in First Blood. It's in Forrest Gump.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:26 AM
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66. Why don't you believe such things happened?
I find it curious that you are unable/unwilling to comprehend.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:37 AM
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68. I'm not denying the possibility that isolated cases could have theoretically happened.
But even if their were, those cases would be exceptions that proved the rule of this urban legend.

I mean, there are more people who have lied about serving in Vietnam then there were people who actually served in Vietnam, so it's no stretch of the imagination that this is a myth as well. I mean, the stories are almost identical, it's always hippies at LAX. I'm willing to concede that there may have been a lot of returning troops coming through LAX, but that just makes the story less plausible, because there must have been some roving gangs of spit hippies working in shifts.

I find it curious that people are unable to comprehend how silly this is.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:02 AM
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70. Nothing theoretical about what happened to my dad.
And it had nothing to do with LAX either.

I never said it often but it did happen.

The rethugs exploited it into an urban legend.

I think you should read CP's posts about it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:04 AM
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71. That reminds me of what happened to my cousin.
She was babysitting the neighbor's kid when she was getting some creepy harassing phone calls that sounded like the escaped convict that was on the run. When the telephone operator traced the call, it turned out it was coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:53 AM
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77. Ahh.
So you can't refute what me and CP are saying.

It's astonishing how some people just shut-down when they can't deal.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 03:06 AM
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:59 PM
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90. I think people are trying to explain, without flatly stating it,
that you didn't see this yourself. Trying to refute a claim that something is an urban legend with a second hand account is... odd.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:26 AM
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75. What would be the "rule" of an urban legend, CronSyrup? That it never happened?
First, I have to ask, didn't you mean "post hoc ergo propter hoc" when you dismissed my earlier link? I mean, it seems like an eternity has passsed since I learned about logical fallacies, but that's how it seems you should have expressed your disdain for my thoughts on the matter. I've been known to be wrong though, as I'm sure you would happily attest. Good chronic tends to make memory fuzzy, and not just short term memory.

Second, how does a real occurence "prove" an urban legend?

I'm curious as to where you arrived at the notion that there are more people who have lied about serving in Vietnam than there were people who actually served there. Are there studies that back your statement up? Or is it just an opinion?

Why must you tie disrespect to returning Vets to "spit hippies"? Who said only hippies were capable of spitting on someone? I have a lifelong friend from So. Cal. whose husband is a dyed in the wool Orange County Conservative. Masters Degree. A few years ago they accompanied my wife and me as well as three other couples to this really cool blues bar in Long Beach called The Blue Cafe on New Years Eve. They got into an argument, and he spit in her face right there at the table before he walked out and took a cab home.

What I find curious is that in the face of firsthand accounts, you think the notion of anti-war/anti-military people spitting at or on members if the US Armed Forces is silly.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:24 PM
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83. Basically, urban legends involved a bunch of people telling lies.
For example, it may be possible that some teenage baby sitter was killed by an escaped convict who had been lurking in the attic, but the story's still and urban legend.

"First, I have to ask, didn't you mean "post hoc ergo propter hoc" when you dismissed my earlier link?"

No, it wasn't post hoc ergo propter hoc. It was some kind of crazy ass logical fallacy, but if it has a name I don't know what it is.

"Second, how does a real occurence "prove" an urban legend?"

Proving that it was an extremely isolated or one off occurrence would mean the widespread legend is false. Not that it's really necessary, it's pretty obviously false on its face.

"Why must you tie disrespect to returning Vets to "spit hippies"?"

Because that's the central tenet of the myth.

"They got into an argument, and he spit in her face right there at the table before he walked out and took a cab home."

And?

"What I find curious is that in the face of firsthand accounts, you think the notion of anti-war/anti-military people spitting at or on members if the US Armed Forces is silly."

Of course I do. It's a classic urban legend and you shouldn't believe it either.






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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:42 PM
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94. As a Vietnam vet once said to me...
"If anyone had spit on me when I got back, I would have knocked the shit out of them. The same goes for all my buddies." He thought the allegations made the returning troops look like helpless, little pussies that couldn't stand up to dirty hippies, which was far from the case. I keep hearing stories about soldiers getting spat upon, yet I never hear any about the hippies getting the crap beaten out of them for doing so. Just saying...
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:21 AM
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65. There's a reason it's so important for people "on our side" to deny any disrespect of returning
Viet Nam Vets.

Hippies = liberals = progressives = Democrats. Ever hear of a so called "hippie" that was AT THAT TIME a republican? I haven't. Many on the left feel a certain sense of shame in knowing that people "on our side" would be so disrespectful of fellow Americans, most of whom were drafted, and wouldn't have dreamed of involving themselves in such an endeavor. We're better than that yada yada yada.

I have no doubt that somewhere, at some time, returning Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines were literally spit on. There are too many stories out there, too many men claiming that it actually happened to them to discount it with any degree of certainty.

What is much more likely, in my opinion, is that it happened to some, and others, hearing their stories, used it as a metaphor for the way they themselves were treated. To those who vigorously deny that any returning serviceman was spit on I would ask: Would you also deny that any single serviceman was disrespected in some way upon their return to the civilian airport closest to their home, if not in uniform, then identified by nothing more significant than their haircuts?

I understand the need for the steadfast denial, even in the face of firsthand accounts. Not every Democrat/Liberal/Progressive was a "hippie". That's a given. No "hippies" were republicans/conservatives (although that might have changed with age). Also a given. It's important to say "I'm part of a group who would never do such a thing, would never disrespect another human in that way".
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:49 AM
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69. I think you're right.
It's about shame.

I don't think it happened all the time but it did happen. It happened to my father and he has no reason to lie. He never had anything against people who were against the war.

I think the rethugs exploited the story so many times, it just sticks in the craw of some to admit that there's a kernel of truth to it.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:44 PM
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15. Anyone who remembers the abuse that Vietnam vets experienced knows why this is so special.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:45 PM
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16. list one documented example
you can use newspaper accounts if you wish.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:46 PM
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17. That scene at the Black Panther party in Forrest Gump.
If commercials are special then movies are real.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:49 PM
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18. "they called us babykillers" is right wing mythology
part of a concerted effort to keep americans from becoming radicalized. reactionary backlash.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:52 PM
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20. Okay
Welcome home

Luck was involved throughout the veterans’ service, many of them said, but what greeted their return home wasn’t as full of good fortune.

On Oct. 23, 1969, Erpenbach flew back to Fort Lewis, Wash., to be discharged and given a uniform. Worried he’d fall asleep on the flight home and end up in New York, he stood on the plane from Seattle to Chicago.

“As soon as I got off the plane, the first bathroom I came to I took my uniform off,” he said. “It wasn’t a happy time to come home. We weren’t very welcome by anybody in the states at that time, so that was a sad experience.”

While other soldiers returning from Vietnam were spit on, yelled at and generally didn’t receive respect from citizens the way veterans do today, Gordon Ringhand told his comrades around the table they all should be proud they served.

http://gazettextra.com/news/2008/mar/14/retelling-vietnam-veterans-recount-war-stories/
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:55 PM
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24. so who spit on him?
who called him a babykiller?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:55 PM
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25. That's not a documented example.
Is this really hard to understand?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:15 PM
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31. I doubt if you'll take the time, but here's a link for you to read.
If documentation means a sworn affidavit from a Viet Nam Veteran, then I'm sure you're going to win any argument on this subject you ever find yourself in. Otherwise, there are many instances of quotes from returning Vets that outline disrespect that took many forms, not necessarily spitting. My Mom's brother, who is one of my heroes and suffers from PTSD to this day, has bad memories of of his return home to LAX.

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"To hint that this harassment never happened, is an insult to the veterans who suffered through the experience. There are too many genuine first hand accounts shared by veterans suggesting that the incidents indeed happened. This was Chicago Tribune columnist Bob Greene's motivation when he wrote his book titled Homecoming, sharing the firsthand accounts of Vietnam veterans, both good and bad. Greene has "no doubt that many returning veterans truly were spat upon-literally-as a part of their welcome home. There were simply too many letters, going into too fine a detail, to deny the fact. {He} was profoundly moved by how, all these years later, so many men remembered exactly where and when they were spat-upon, and how the pain has stayed with them.

In his book Homecoming, Bob Greene includes many genuine experiences serving as a type of therapy for many veterans. They opened up their hearts sharing some of their anger and frustration with a country that had done them wrong. An account by Tony J., a Vietnam veteran who would like to keep his identity a secret, helps to bring these words to life: "Well, I had to take this fellows body to his wife-she was nineteen years old…I was helping the mortician take the casket out of the hearse. Of course I was in my dress uniform, medals and all that, and the American flag was over the casket and some guy walked by when we had it about halfway and the fool spit on it and said, 'Good, he deserved to die"(Greene, 30). Many veterans who received this type of treatment feel an intense anger and hurt that burns deep within. In a number of these accounts, veterans have displayed their hatred towards the government and proclaimed that neither they, nor their sons, will ever fight for America again. While many veterans expected a peaceful return upon arriving home, they were met with disillusionment and anger, the very thing they had tried to escape while in Vietnam. Many wondered if they would ever again be accepted into America's arms, or if they would continue to be the country's scapegoat. Frederick Downs, a Vietnam veteran, asks himself this very question in his book Aftermath: A Soldier's Return From Vietnam: "I wondered if my country would ever welcome us back. Welcome all of us in body and spirit. Or would we always remain a flaw in America's vision of itself.

To claim that the harassing incidents were a myth is to say that they never happened when in fact, they did. First hand accounts of veterans cannot be discredited while speculation over the incidents can be. A myth is a story that is fabricated, an account that has no basis of reality; the veterans' accounts are by no means fabricated. What reason would the veterans have for lying? By making the argument that the incidents were a myth is to call the harassed veterans, liars. After reading this account by David McTamaney of Newburgh, New York, it seems hard to find that this a myth: "…a youing guy, about twenty or so, wearing a headband and a leather vest, stepped back and looked at me. 'Have you been in Vietnam?' he asked innocently. 'Yeah,' I said 'I just go back, and I'm heading back to Al-' He never let me finish. He leaned back, made a couple of swishing motions with his mouth and spit in my face. I jumped backward, but his spittle hit me on my bare arm. I took a step forward realizing that he couldn't escape, and felt my heart begin to pump faster…I dragged all my stuff into the toilet stall, locked the door, put my face in my hands, and cried for the first time in months" (23). The hurt in this quote is neither make-believe, nor is it fairy-tale material; rather, it is real emotion felt by a man who was disrespected upon his return home. This last quote comes from the heart and puts the idea that the myth holds true to rest.

By claiming that the myth is false by no means suggests that the harassment was felt by all; this is incorrect. Many of the veterans came home in quiet manners, suffering no animosity on their parts. However, just because some veterans claimed never to have suffered such experiences do not mean that the incidents never happened. There have been just as many peaceful accounts as painful accounts. Upon reflecting on over a thousand responses of veteran harassment, Bob Greene comments in Homecoming that "on the other hand, many veterans reported stories of kindness and compassion upon their return from Vietnam. Most of this group of veterans said that they believe some of their fellow soldiers were spat upon…"

http://www.providence.edu/polisci/students/vietnam/vietpaper.htm
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:20 PM
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33. LOL
That's some sort ad hoc ergo propter hoc.

"The act of questioning whether or not troops got spit on his, ipso facto, spitting on troops, and therefore it happened."
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:26 PM
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41. I knew you couldn't be bothered to read the link.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:27 PM
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43. It's just more of the same.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:51 AM
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64. This isn't. It's an archival description of a CBS newscast, 12/27/1971
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 10:00 PM
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52. 1st hand account - I was child of career soldier/vet during VN era. We drove thru protestors
at the gates to get home (on Army base.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:39 PM
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86. And I was at the gates protesting, along with some veterans.


Sometimes things could get heated but that usually wasn't at the base, that was when you came into contact with police.

The idea that there was a lot of people randomly approaching people in airports and 'spitting' on them is absurd, that type of behavior is only seen when people have confidence in numbers and get agitated by physical contact.

What did happen was a lot of people saying very cynical things like "How many civilians did you kill?".

If there in fact had been a lot of 'spitting' going there would have been documented fights and document arrests. Spitting on somebody is extremely rare in the US and the urban legend doesn't sustain logic.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:58 PM
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108. So protesting is the same as "spitting"? Hell, I protest the Army alongside ACTIVE DUTY.
We're not protesting soldiers (and the soldiers involved in the protest aren't protesting themselves); we're protesting the actions of the Army.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:30 AM
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67. Are firsthand TV news accounts okay?
http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/program.pl?ID=214568

"In voice-over, Dean says:

Minutes after arriving back in the states on the West Coast, he got the feeling that no one really cared about where he had been, what he had done.

Then Pickett says:

Man, I got into the airport and these two dudes walked up—one of them spit at me.

Later, Dean reports that the spitting took place in "Seattle."

Oddly, neither Dean nor Pickett provide the context to help viewers judge whether the alleged spitting was an unexpected outrage or a common "welcome home" rained down on vets."

---------------

I would ask, does that really matter?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:02 PM
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47. +1. My uncle (vietnam vet) came to see us home when our unit rotated back.
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 09:05 PM by Statistical
I was happy but at the same time I felt so angry, ashamed, and sad for completely different reception he received when he came home three decades prior.

When our bus convoy came into Richmond, VA a motorcycle "gang" of Vietnam Vets rode honor guard and assisted the Police with stopping traffic at intersections.

I thanked one of them after our Welcome Home ceremony and he said they did it "so never again would troops have to be dishonored by the country they serve". I know some people want to pretend/believe that nothing bad happened to vets when they returned but you can't fake the kind of deeply buried pain I saw in his eyes.

I pray that I never have to but if when I am older, another generation of soldiers returns from war I will be there to make sure than chain isn't broken.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:35 AM
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82. Most of the people in this thread can barely remember Boy George from the 80's
And they sure don't give a shit about those who protect this Country........
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:49 PM
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19. Not even close.
Sappy glorification of militarism for its own sake. Glorification of the War Party and all it stands for.

I'm proud of my miltary service, but it was a JOB, not my life.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:22 PM
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34. But still greatly appreciated. n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 07:55 PM
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23. i like. thanks for putting up. nt
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:09 PM
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28. I remember that one. Still got a chill. I only regret that our
soldiers didn't get that kind of reception coming home from Viet Nam.:-(
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:26 PM
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39. It's important to remember that.
My father has always been bitter about the way he was treated when he got home from Vietnam.

His father came home from WWII to parades and he got shit on from both sides.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:10 PM
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29. I remember that and like it. n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:26 PM
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38. oh please
spare me.

:eyes:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:26 PM
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40. I'm partial to the old Alka-Seltzer "Spicy Meatballs" one from 1969
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:47 PM
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45. Here is another one by AB that only aired once. Also very touching
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 08:58 PM
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46. Sad brainwashing. Just like "they are fighting for our freedom" ...they are
fighting for the military industrial complex.

or Kissinger's take

"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger, quoted in "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POW's in Vietnam"
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:13 PM
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48. Wow, so jaded
and so...sad. Let's try and intellectually distinguish soldier from policy.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:18 PM
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49. That's why I said it was sad.
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 09:18 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 10:24 PM
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53. No.
The best budweiser commercial has to feature the Clydesdales:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KzPirIQkPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55GOSLEXVJE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xu2lRY-xsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQAJ4qlltU

Another that has to be on the list of "best" superbowl commercials, not budweiser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE






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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 10:26 PM
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54. You relate more to horses than soldiers. Noted.
:toast:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:13 AM
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79. Of course.
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 08:14 AM by LWolf
There's 4 of them out in my barn to give testimony to that. They are more likely to hide behind me than be aggressive to any human, although they are quite firm with coyotes and dogs.

I have nothing against soldiers; I certainly do hope they make it home safe. I wish they were all home now. I wish they'd never been sent in the first place.

I also have nothing to thank them for. I didn't, and don't, support their presence in the middle east.

:hi:
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:38 PM
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57. Best ads ever were the cigarette ads of the 1960s
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 11:49 PM by tonysam
with Benson & Hedges taking top honors:

Link to the ads

The Great American Soups ad of 1970 is right up there, though:

Great American Soups
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:47 PM
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59. My favorite ever is the one where the little boy passes up all the cute puppies at a shelter
And chooses an old dog. I think it may even have been blind in one eye.

It is only in the last scene when they are walking away together that you see the little boy has braces on his legs.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:42 PM
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87. Sounds powerful! Any idea where to find it?
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 05:55 PM
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95. Not really. But I do think it originally aired during a Superbowl
probably about 5yrs ago?
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:59 PM
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103. Thanks. I couldn't find it, but came across this...same sort of idea:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 05:42 PM
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115. Thank you. That was beautiful.
:pals:
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:53 PM
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60. That's good, but here's the actual winner...
quite possibly the greatest 30 seconds ever caught on celluloid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEl8gwDLKzs
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 07:33 PM
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102. That one wins in the 30 seconds category
However, this is the overall winner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw

Brought to us by the same people who made the http://trojangames.co.uk/">Trojan Games ads.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:45 PM
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116. that's pretty cool* (n/t)
nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:06 AM
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62. No.
That commerial is more jingoistic crap from the marketers who use "supporting our troops" to justify whatever they want to sell.

Our men and women in the armed forces deserve our respect, but they are being used to bring death and destruction on people who are not a threat to us. I realize that most of those men and women didn't make the policies that they are enforcing, but it's still bullshit to exalt the military just because they are the military.

I long for the day when I can honestly feel that our military deserves our applause for defending Americans and spreading democracy instead of protecting corporate interests.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:47 PM
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89. Here's a story that might help a bit. It's only one incident but it is a good step...
U.S. troops sit down to lower tensions at food distribution site. Story heard yesterday on NPR radio:

"Food Melee In Port-au-Prince

But a different story emerged in some areas of the city Tuesday. On a golf course in Port-au-Prince, NPR correspondents witnessed a scene that bordered on chaos as U.S. soldiers from the 82nd Airborne tried to keep order while food was distributed.

Thousands of Haitians converged on the makeshift aid distribution point. What started out as a fairly orderly operation quickly got out of control as some 25,000 people swarmed the site.

In a bid to restore calm, U.S. Army Capt. John Hartzog ordered his men to take three steps back and sit down. It worked, as many Haitians apparently sensed the gesture was meant to ease the tension.

"I'm thinking about possibly, maybe not tomorrow, but the next day ... having them sit down right off the bat," Hartzog said. "We've tried different things. Sometimes it goes smooth, sometimes it doesn't."


story link:
<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p... >


I doubt his methods were "by the book" but it worked that day. Captain John Hartzog deserves a medal!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:42 PM
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105. It's a great step, but it's one step forward and now we're seeing that we've taken four
steps back by inserting our troops into Pakistan.

Thanks for posting that story, FailureToCommunicate.
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:06 AM
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72. belongs in lounge
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:20 AM
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74. No. Many people do tough jobs, many do service jobs.
There are many people who need to be told "thank you", from teachers to health care providers to the person who fixes your car so you can get to and from your job. Yes, military people can have their lives at risk, but so can firefighters and even teachers. Yes, military people can suffer severe physical and emotional issues, but so can police and nurses.

Thank you to anyone who is helping others, who is risking something to do what their job is.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:28 AM
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76. Welcome home! Buy some shitty beer!
Eat some shitty food! Buy some shitty clothes!

Good job, y'all! Let's spend some money!
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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:27 AM
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80. it's manipulative...
i have never felt the need to applaud the troops- i mostly feel sorry for them-

they are no more heroic or better than dr's, nurses, teachers, mothers, fathers, etc...

i know i'll catch shit for not loving and praising people in the military- but sorry i do not think it's a wise career choice.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 07:10 PM
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98. For many, it is about the only choice they have.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:32 AM
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81. Yes and it brings me to tears when I watch it
As it just did again.


Bring them home, bring them ALL home............
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:26 PM
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84. Got a little teary eyed. I've never seen that one before. Nice nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:32 PM
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85. Thumbs down.
Glorifying the War on Terror. Thank you know.

I would rather see one where the troops come home for the final time and we all tell them we are sorry.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:25 PM
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92. Did I blame them?
Did I say I hate the soldiers? No.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:47 PM
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88. I'd like it more if they didn't put their logo on it.
As it stands, it seems like big money taking a bow for supporting the people they've just fucked.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 06:07 PM
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96. I'm so conflicted on this
In my opinion anyone who fights for their country is heroic. Problem is, their heroism is so often abused and exploited by people who view them as little plastic army men to play with. I love seeing them appreciated. But with these "wars", applauding them feels like thanking them for their gullibility.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 06:18 PM
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97. Using the troops to sell beer?
That's pretty crass.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 07:12 PM
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99. I find it very moving. My uncle just got back from Kuwait, and
he and others were greeted in a similar fashion. It made him feel so good and appreciated.

And really, I don't know why I am surprised at some of the comments here. It is embarrassing though.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 12:46 AM
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111. People on DU, most of whom have no idea what it means to serve...
can be very embarrassing. If the ad moves you...you are NORMAL.

:beer:
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msu2ba Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 07:13 PM
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100. Stan Freberg, for us codgers.
A satire of a Lark cigarette commercial with the tagline "Show Us Your Lark"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-NdrzfFOo&feature=related
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Oldhat1970 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:48 PM
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106. It happened to Me!
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 10:55 PM by Oldhat1970
Maybe not all the applauds but this was my encounter after the 1st Gulf War:

I was an involuntarily extended soldier, so after the cease fire agreements I was out of the military in about 20 days. Cease fire hit us about 20 miles outside of Baghdad (I was in 7th corp, you know the Army corp that "snuck" around the left flank and cut off the Iraqi soldiers when we kicked them out of Kuwait). Anyway I'll continue with the story:

I out processed state side after nearly 3 years in Germany. Got to the airport in Philly, had civilian clothes on and decided before checking in that I'd better at least put on my desert fatigues before checking in so that when I arrived in Columbus Ohio my mother would see me come off the plane looking like a soldier. So I switch clothes, walk out of the restroom with my fatigues on and instantly started getting recognized. I walk up to the counter to "check in" and the gal waiting on me smiles and says "I'm bumping someone from 1st class and giving that seat to you free of charge, thanks for your service and the upgrade is on us". I was thinking "Hell yeah I'm a Rock Star".

Start down toward the terminal and a guy stops me, shakes my hand, and gives thanks, asks me where I was heading. Told him "Ohio". He told me that if I ever needed a job and felt like heading toward Florida that he'd hire me in the drop of a hat. I thanked him but told him that I was heading to college. This guy really wanted to do something for me, you could see it in his eyes. One thing led to another and he said "How long until your flight to Columbus" I say "About 2 hours". He then asked if I liked drinking beer. I told him that I had un-successfully tried to drink Germany dry in my time abroad and I'd never pass up an offer for a beer. But there was a problem. I told him that although I spent nearly 3 years in the Army I was not 21 years of age and he'd be technically buying beer for a minor. He said "If you can fight for your country then you should be able to drink, if we get caught I'll take the rap". So off to the "Airport bar we go".

Get in there and about 15 people are in the bar, he motions for the bartender to get me and him some beer. I guess 12 of the people walked up to the table, shook my hand, and congratulated me for my safe return and said "good job". Drink my beer and then the beers kept coming, and coming, and coming. Between the folks in the bar, the guy from Florida and the Bartender I had about 12 beers in 2 hours...I couldn't let them go to waste!

Get on the plane and get situated in first class seating and there is this extremely attractive "older" woman setting next to me. She starts bringing up "small talk" and we chat a bit, we ended up drinking about 4 glasses of wine in our hour or so flight from Philly to Columbus, so at this point I'm getting fairly drunk!

I had not seen my family for nearly 3 years. I come walking (stumbling) off the plane, see my father (Vietnam Big Red 1 Vet), my mother, and my sister standing waiting on me. I shake my dads hand, give my sister a hug, then go to give my mother a big hug and before I get the hug she grabs me by the ear and says "You should be ashamed of yourself getting of the plane to see your mother for the 1st time in 3 years and your shit faced drunk"! I just laughed, we hugged, and all was well.

I was one of the "first" to return state side after the war was over. I didn't realize it. I mean I had become accustomed to desert fatigues from wearing them so much and seeing others in them day in and day out. But did those fatigues ever stick out back here in the U.S. when soldiers first started returning.

Was a moment in my life that I'll never forget. The reception that I got from the general public was something that every soldier returning home from war should get.

So I really appreciate that commercial.


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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:19 PM
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109. I saw them leaving, I will never forget
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 11:20 PM by never cry wolf
My son joined the army reserves and trained at Ft. Jackson in Columbia, S.C. We flew down for his graduation from boot camp. On the trip home, our flights were delayed for 8 hours and I sat in the airport and watched the tearful goodbyes of families of all sorts sending a loved one overseas... Cousin bumkin and Jed and all the kin wishing him well. An officer with teenage kids. A beautiful black couple, a young officer, nuzzling and tears streaked with a best friend, or sibling holding their young child while they had their intimate goodbye...

I also saw young ones from my sons boot class on their way to rifle school, and then overseas, cannon fodder... I pray for them all (not that I am religious) but I wish none had to come home because that means that they had to leave as well, and not all will make it back.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:22 PM
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110. At DFW International you can applaud the troops coming home everyday
I've done it a few times, your hand sting from clapping.

:patriot:
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 01:55 AM
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112. I like this one
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 03:19 AM
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113. and the best paintings are the one's celebrating the glory of the Napoleonic Wars...
too subjective for such a statement. ads can be very imaginative and appeal to different segments of society on different aspects of reality.

but that's great if it moves you...
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 09:54 PM
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117. How come I disagree?
they don't show any dead body's of children? Lets all have a beer! Fuck yeah America rules!!111
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