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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:38 PM
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Exclusive for DU: Mark Danner on the latest Haitian disaster and recovery effort
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Exclusive for DU: Mark Danner on the latest Haitian disaster and recovery effort



28 Jan 2010


In order to focus the conversation we’re having here at Democratic Underground about the situation in Haiti, I thought I’d contact Mark Danner for some insight. He graciously agreed to give us a brief interview. Mark Danner is a journalist who has been instrumental in breaking stories which more than one government would have preferred to leave in obscurity. We know about the El Mozote massacre in El Salvador, the Downing Street Memo and the Bush Department torture memos because of Mark Danner’s work – and that’s a very short list. His complete bio can be read here: http://www.markdanner.com/living/biography_full

His latest book released in October, Stripping Bare the Body: Politics Violence War, opens with a long chapter on Haiti so I thought, as he has recently thought and written on the topic, he would be a key person to consult. Since the quake, Danner published an article, “To Heal Haiti, Look to History, Not Nature” in the New York Times. This short essay sets out briefly but carefully a Haitian history that has led to what he describes as a “predatory state” -- which, of course, is the context in which this new disaster visited the Haitian people.

“HAITI is everybody’s cherished tragedy. Long before the great earthquake struck the country like a vengeful god, the outside world, and Americans especially, described, defined, marked Haiti most of all by its suffering. Epithets of misery clatter after its name like a ball and chain: Poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. One of the poorest on earth. For decades Haiti’s formidable immiseration has made it among outsiders an object of fascination, wonder and awe. Sometimes the pity that is attached to the land — and we see this increasingly in the news coverage this past week — attains a tone almost sacred, as if Haiti has taken its place as a kind of sacrificial victim among nations, nailed in its bloody suffering to the cross of unending destitution.

And yet there is nothing mystical in Haiti’s pain, no inescapable curse that haunts the land. From independence and before, Haiti’s harms have been caused by men, not demons. Act of nature that it was, the earthquake last week was able to kill so many because of the corruption and weakness of the Haitian state, a state built for predation and plunder. Recovery can come only with vital, even heroic, outside help; but such help, no matter how inspiring the generosity it embodies, will do little to restore Haiti unless it addresses, as countless prior interventions built on transports of sympathy have not, the manmade causes that lie beneath the Haitian malady.”

The entire article, which we used as a jumping off point, and which is highly recommended for DUers trying to get up to speed on Haiti or simply wanting Mark’s take may be read here. It’s a short read but it’s packed: http://www.markdanner.com/articles/show/to_heal_haiti_look_to_history_not_nature

Danner and I didn’t discuss the politics of our State Department or their goals in Haiti at this moment. In fact, he seemed a little irritated when I was raising the question because in his view, this isn’t the best question that could be foregrounded at this moment. And he has a point. He ran down quickly all the elements compounding the aftermath of the quake. The poverty, the joblessness, the demolition of an infrastructure already in ruins, the barely existent health care system, the disappeared government, the lack of the very basic necessities of human survival. The lack of water.

In the NYTs' article, Danner says the “single unitary principle” of those that have intervened in Haiti was their “failure to alter . . . the reality of a corrupt state”. When I pushed on this a little, pointing out that Naomi Klein or John Perkins might not see the corruption of the Haitian state as a failure, asked in what sense it was a failure, Danner responded that it was obviously a failure for the Haitian people and not a failure for other interests who profit from this state of affairs in Haiti.

Danner had two suggestions for actually healing Haiti in his article. They are, roughly, that America opens its markets to Haitian ag products and other goods, and that America and others ensure that the vast amounts of money now pouring into Haiti wind up in Haitian hands.

When I asked how likely these suggestions were to be implemented, Danner said the default was that they would not be implemented, given the way things “usually work”. But he also said, it was much too soon to tell. He said there was “a large and incompetent” relief effort ongoing that will means months and years of money flowing into Haiti. The real question is, in his opinion, will all this effort benefit Haitians?

Danner made it very plain that unless the international response ensures by “a creative and concerted effort” that the reconstruction of Haiti is done by Haitians, the healing of Haiti will not happen. And Danner was even more specific. He said that the resources now pouring into Haiti needed to be put into the hands of as many people as possible and not the same old few hands in order to decentralize the economy. And that doesn’t just mean, and this is my iteration not Danner’s, paying Haitians to clean up but also to train skills, to invest in Haitians.

To learn more about Mark Danner’s work or to purchase Stripping the Body Bare
visit his website: www.markdanner.com



Drawing on rich narratives of politics and violence and war from around the world and written by one of the world's leading writers, Stripping Bare the Body is a moral history of American power during the last quarter century. From bloody battleground to dark prison cell to air-conditioned office, it tells the grim and compelling tale of the true final years of the American Century, as the United States passed from the violent certainties of the late Cold War, to the ideological confusions of the post-Cold War world, to the pumped up and ongoing evangelism of the War on Terror and the Iraq War, and the ruins they have left behind.
- From the book jacket

Thank you, Mark Danner, for sharing your time and insight with us at Democratic Underground.












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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:48 PM
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1. I hope this happens
He said that the resources now pouring into Haiti needed to be put into the hands of as many people as possible and not the same old few hands in order to decentralize the economy.

I'm not sure it happen after Katrina.

Thank you, EFerrari.

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:14 PM
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5. In a way, Danner is just stating the obvious.
But apparently, the obvious hasn't sunk into our consciousness.

:shrug:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:39 PM
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15. The obvious?
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 06:53 PM by merh
No, not really.

You have to remember where most of the profits from the Katrina rebuild went. There were plenty of pockets lined, unfortunately it was the pockets of the haves.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:48 PM
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17. The same few hands. That's right.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 04:59 PM
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2. Nice EF.
I had never heard of Danner and will buy his book.

Sometimes DU is so blind about the reality and histories of our neighbors to the south and how ham-handed if not brutal the US historical foreign policy.

To be good neighbors to the Caribbean and Latin/South America (Cuba and Venezuela included) would be such a long term benefit to the USA.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 01:07 AM
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26. That is so true, how ignorant Americans are about other countries
even those that are so close by. The media and the educational system is responsible for that and I think it is deliberate.

The US has done more to oppress the people of South American and Haiti and most Americans have no idea of that horrendous history.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:25 PM
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40. If you go to his site and read his bio, Danner's work reads like a laundry list
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 03:25 PM by EFerrari
of the most important foreign policy stories of our adult lifetime.

It's not easy to confront and to process the actions our government has taken in Latin America and the Caribbean. But once you take that step, everything makes a little more sense -- immigration, our military investments, the endless hit pieces in the corporate media re Chavez. It's a complex problem and what I like about Danner's work is that he can talk about such a complicated situation clearly.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:03 PM
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3. He's right but none of this fits the paradigm of
those who bully others on this planet.

Thanks for this.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:18 PM
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6. That's right. None of it does.
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 05:43 PM by EFerrari
What I got from my (very) short conversation with Mark Danner was a highlighting of how immense this catastrophe is and how much the relief efforts need to focus and how unlikely that is to happen.

Mark and I are not in perfect agreement so I hope no one attributes my own opinions to him.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:33 PM
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8. I don't
:hi:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:11 PM
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4. Very interesting OP, thank you EFerrari.
It's sad to see Haiti slipping from the headlines once again. I wondered about all the money that has been donated and where it will be spent and to and by whom.

I know that there are a few organizations the spend it directly on the Haitian people, but what happens to the rest of it?

Eg, what happened to the money that was donated to NOLA, did we ever get an accounting for it? Did it go directly to the victims for whom it was intended?

I wish there was a way to donate directly to a Haitian family.

I wonder how much has been collected so far? I know it is probably in the hundreds of millions. There are only eight million people in Haiti. What if each of them were to receive one million each, wouldn't that do more good than paying middlemen, contractors etc. from foreign countries, to do work Haitians could do themselves?

I'd rather any money I donate go directly to the people there and let them use it for whatever they need.

I'd still like to know where all the money for NOLA and 9/11 and the Tsunami went. We never get a follow up from even the Red Cross on this issue.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:21 PM
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19. There was an article around here the other day by AP that said
30 cents of every USAID dollar for Haiti goes to the Pentagon. That was disturbing although, as it was AP, who knows if it's true.

dixie's thread yesterday about Haiti being carved up at the World Econ Forum was also dispiriting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7608260

I never watch cable "news" shows but will this week to see if Haiti is still there.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:48 AM
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23. Anderson Cooper and Sanjay Gupta and other CNN reporters
are still covering it every night, They are still in Haiti and I think they've done a great jog. One of them said tonight that they have been deeply affected by it and will never get over it or forgetthe people. Larry King still covers is also. I hope they stay because it's the only way we can know what is going on there.

I did hear one of the reporters say that they will be there for a long time tonight, so I felt better. So often Haiti is in the news for a few days, and then they are left on their.

Thank you for the link. That is very disturbing that all the money is not going to the people of Haiti. USAID is attached to the government so I would never give them money.

Very nice work with the interview, EFerrari! Thank you.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:52 AM
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24. USAID is a political instrument used by the State Department.
Sadly, I rarely hear about their legitimate projects and only tend to hear about funds funneled to right wing opposition groups in Latin American. I'm sure it isn't that black and white but you know how it goes, we attend to things gone wrong more often than to things that go right.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 01:32 AM
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27. I really didn't know much about them and for a long time
I thought they were a private organization that helped poor people around the world. Then I started to learn about how they always seem to back the wrong people in other countries and that they were not a private organization at all, and not trusted by people, the people they claim they are helping.

I'm sure they do some good also, but I don't really know all that much about them. I'll have to do some research on them actually, it would be interesting to know exactly how much good they do, especially now with all this money available for Haiti.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:33 PM
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7. Wow! Excellent work, EF! Thank you for doing that interview & bringing it to us!
...unless the international response ensures by “a creative and concerted effort” that the reconstruction of Haiti is done by Haitians, the healing of Haiti will not happen. And Danner was even more specific. He said that the resources now pouring into Haiti needed to be put into the hands of as many people as possible and not the same old few hands in order to decentralize the economy.


So, who will do this? Who is on the ground there who can organize such an effort? I'm not asking you, EF, these questions, I'm just wondering out loud.

As you well know, witnessing the rush to strip Haiti of her children rather than working at making their lives better in their own homeland, strikes me as the exact opposite of doing what ought to be done.

I want to find out who will actually dedicate their efforts to give the Haitians themselves the power to rebuild their own lives and their own country.

sw
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:20 PM
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12. That is the question, isn't it?
Because we've already seen the World Economic Forum with their knives out and nothing to counter them.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:36 PM
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14. It's awful feeling this powerless to do real and lasting good.
Other people in other threads have mentioned the Haitian diaspora, but no one seems to know if they are organizing to help the country of their birth.

Someone needs to fight off the scavengers...

sw
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:25 PM
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21. Someone, ( maybe the chairman of the TransAfrica forum?), said
on Laura Flanders' program that the Haitian diaspora community has been split and not very well organized in the past. Split over Aristide, among other things.

Laura and Amy have been doing the absolute best job in covering this story. I hope Mark Danner keeps writing about it.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:15 AM
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30. Ah well, that doesn't surprise me...
"...the Haitian diaspora community has been split and not very well organized in the past. Split over Aristide, among other things."

My impression has also been that many U.S. Haitian immigrants aren't exactly well-off, either -- but I don't really know if that's accurate. I live far away from any place that might have a Haitian community.

sw
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:32 PM
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31. I have to dig around a little and find out who might be local here.
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 12:32 PM by EFerrari
And maybe we could cajole DUer magbana to weigh in. She's been blogging Haiti for a long time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:12 PM
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39. sw, check out shireen's #37. n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:42 PM
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46. Yes! I've just donated!
Shireen's link was EXACTLY what I was looking for. :D

I couldn't afford much -- I'm sending money to Pine Ridge, too -- but now that I know about this organization I'll do what I can to give more in the future.

As I said in my reply to Shireen's post, we need to be doing this in our own country, too. Especially since our Masters seem intent on impoverishing us all.

sw
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:36 PM
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54. .
:yourock: :loveya:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:45 PM
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9. Fantastic OP & article. Thanks! n/t
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:48 PM
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10. Thank you! Danner has long been one of my favorite writers
His wide ranging intellect and strong sense of morality make him compelling reading. Thank you for sharing with us your exclusive. I'm off to read more....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 05:59 PM
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11. His "Healing Haiti" article is thoughtful, accurate and beautifully written.
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 06:00 PM by EFerrari
Enjoy.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 06:21 PM
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13. r
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 07:17 PM
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16. K& R and passing it on.
Impressive and most excellent OP.
Kudos!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:48 PM
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18. Thank you, dixie.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:25 PM
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20. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:46 AM
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22. Bedtime kick.
Thanks, guys.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:56 AM
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25. thanks for posting, k&r
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 01:39 AM
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28. ^
:kick:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:58 AM
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29. KNR
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 12:35 PM
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32. K&R
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 01:07 PM
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33. KR+32 and Thank You!

:kick:
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:27 PM
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34. Kick
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:47 PM
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35. Elizabeth, you rock!
thank you! Haiti's been mostly off the media radar, except for that child smuggling case. But not much about recovery efforts.

Your OP and interview with Danner are much appreciated. :hug:

:yourock:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:51 PM
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36. So much my pleasure. When this happened, it hit me that I knew next to nada
about Haiti except for the pablum in our history schoolbooks.

John Perkins is on a trip, but I look forward to getting his take in a couple of weeks. :hi:
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:03 PM
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37. Haiti needs to be rebuilt at the grassroots level
The government is in disarray. It's going to be up to the people to organize themselves at the grassroots level, and from there, good and proven leaders will emerge.

If you can afford it and wish to donate towards long-term recovery, find organizations that have local staff, with ongoing programs before the earthquake hit. Check their websites and read about their community relationships, past and current projects, and how they spend their money. Find an organization that doesn't just provide aid, but also empowers the Haitian people. I found http://www.lambifund.org/">The Lambi Fund a couple of years ago, and have stuck with them. There are other similar organizations like that, i'm sure a google search and a background check at charitynavigator.com will help you decide who to help.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:09 PM
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38. Wow. That looks really promising.
What a good thing it would be, to unite the community here with the grassroots there. Thanks so much, shireen.

And I couldn't agree with you more.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:17 PM
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45. Wow! Thank you for that link to the Lambi Fund!
I've just been reading through page after page of the work they're doing, and it looks absolutely wonderful! Exactly what I hoped I could find for a good place to donate. As soon as I finish this post I'm going to go grab my debit card and contribute.

The irony is, we also need this kind of work right here in the U.S., if we're ever going to truly free ourselves from our corrupt corporate overlords -- small-scale, community-based, independent endeavors toward survival and sustainability.

Thank you so much for bringing us this information!

sw
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 04:04 PM
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41. Awesome work. K&R.
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 04:04 PM by Truth2Tell
Thank you EFerrari!!!

This is outstanding. This post inspires me to try and bring more meat to the discussion here when I can. Huge kudos. You rule. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:11 PM
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42. I'd like to see if we can really follow this story instead of just reacting
to sensational headlines. Let's see how we do. :hi:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:07 PM
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43. I remember reading Danner's reporting on the El Salvador massacres way back when
Reagan was President. They were so compelling that I decided to stop paying my federal income taxes in protest. It took a few years for the IRS to figure out what was going on, but that's another story.

Thanks for this post, EFerrari. I will definitely buy this book.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 08:46 PM
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49. Raygun's dirty wars split my family right down the middle.
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 08:47 PM by EFerrari
I had Joan Didion's Salvador out on a livingroom table and I remember my uncle sitting there and reading it and putting it down without saying a word. All the place names that were attached to stories of his youth and my mom's -- places where they'd danced on weekends used as body dumps. It was simply too hard to take in at one sitting.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:13 PM
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44. Danner's a real journalist.
On our behalf, the guy tells the truth and paints the real picture.

The reason Haiti remains a criminal state is plain to those following politics in the USA since Nov. 22, 1963.

Thank you for an oustanding interview, SF-san.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 08:42 PM
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48. Mi placer.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:47 PM
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47. A thousand thanks to you, Elizabeth, for starting this wonderful thread.
It is worth so much more than the brazillion petty squabbles that clog DU daily.

Thank goodness DU has you here, making a real difference.

:loveya:
sw
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:25 PM
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51. I did none of the heavy lifting here, lol, but it is fun
to find something we might enjoy.

"No one can know how glad I am to find
On any sheet the least display of mind."

-- Frost

:hi:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 08:57 PM
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50. too late for a rec
thank you for a most enlightening read, just what I needed.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 09:28 PM
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52. Good. Does you machine do video?
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 09:29 PM by EFerrari
I found a couple of segments up at the CSPAN archives where Danner talks about various topics. In fact, the segment he did with Laura Flanders on this topic is probably up at her site but I don't that one as well.

Ah -- here it is:

http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/12/20/week-in-review-mark-danner/



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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 10:58 PM
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53. thank you
it kept breaking up for me, but I will save it. I have an antique Mac & can no longer watch youtube either.
I plan on reading more at the other link you provided.
I'm a big fan of Robert Fisk. There are surprisingly few good journalists reporting on the front lines of world affairs.



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