I'm more convinced than ever that there is a vast right wing conspiracy to

[Dream Girl]

stir up the left. I believe there are many lefties, true believers who are unknowingly being stirred up, agitated and otherwise prompted to go after Obama. There are many, many who truly are dissapointed, but they are being egged on by the right. They want you to give up. They want you to sit the next election out. Divide and conquer. Don't expect things to change overnight. Ask yourself, what would you do, what could you do if your were Obama. You have a whole, vast country to govern. A country not just comprised of your "base". You have a corrupt and compromised Congress. You have a shadow government, the TPTB, what are watching every move with laser=like focus. What would you do? How would you do it? Don't be so naive.

[Don Caballero]

1. Agreed.

The Right is telling the Left that our President is not living up to his campaign promises. This is pure propaganda meant to divide his base. We must not fall into their trap and must support our President, flaws included.

[tabatha]

2. +1000

I am disappointed in FDL.

[shadowknows69]

4. No, I'm afraid it isn't just pure propaganda.

Many more learned and thorough DUers than me have evidenced many instances where President Obama isn't living up to his campaign promises. You shouldn't give a leader unquestioning accolades for doing what he said he would, but damnit you need to hold their feet to the fire about the things they lie to you about. Or the lies start to outweigh the progress after a certain point. We don't need a President who simply won't "fuck things up worse" we need a new direstion and we need to break the back of the status quo or it will destroy this country.

[Don Caballero]

10. The President has only been in office one year

We must be patient. Criticizing his Presidency so early will only discourage him and his administration. He is living up to his campaign promises. We are leaving Iraq, escalating Af/Pak, getting real HCR and many other things I cannot recall. He is doing such a good job and people are just poking and prodding him with small insignificant details.

[shadowknows69]

12. Ah, back to the "BUTHESONLY" argument. Tired.

And people's lives aren't small insignificant details. I'm glad your world is rosy though. Sincerely.

[laughingliberal]

45. Yes, I'm always happy to hear the factors affecting my life are 'insignificant details'

And, humorous as this may seem, this is meant to win us over.

[salguine]

17. I'd like to know why you think we're leaving Iraq and getting "real HCR". You know what, never mind.

[TheWraith]

29. No, they've claimed that not getting everything done in a year equals betrayal. nt

[jgraz]

34. Once again: the problem is with *what* Obama is doing, not how much he's doing.

To wit:

Escalating Afghanistan
Protecting torturers
Extending the PATRIOT act
Firehosing money at his Wall Street buddies
Solidifying corporate control over our healthcare system
Proposing weak, worthless financial reform that guarantees another crash
Throwing the GLBT community under the bus
Killing EFCA
Fumbling Climate Change
Backing out of his campaign promise to renegotiate NAFTA



Only the hard-core apologists have raised this "not getting everything done" bullshit. Personally, I'd be more than happy if he'd gotten less done this year. Maybe we'd have been spared a few things on that list.

[laughingliberal]

46. Yeah, that just ain't gettin through. It's not the failure to act, it's the actions, themselves.

[salguine]

15. But he's NOT living up to his campaign promises!

[Mister Ed]

3. Best thing to do about your disappointments with Obama:

Don't give up, don't walk away. Instead, do what Obama has asked: "make" him (and Congress) do the right thing. Apply the pressure.

[abelenkpe]

9. +1 nt

[salguine]

18. I DON'T WANT A LEADER WHO WILL ONLY DO THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE HE'S FORCED TO.

[Edweird]

33. + 100,000,000,000,000,000,000

[Dream Girl]

36. You mean like FDR?

Look, what you think is "Right" is debatable. There are opposing interests and a lot of twisted, f'd up behind the scenes shit that you really know nothing about. Easiest thing in the world is to criticize. If you don't like what is happening, get off your ass.

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. No kidding! What a weak/pathetic/sorry ass-ed cop-out that is.

Make him do what he campaigned on and what's the right thing too do? How sorry does that sound? WEAK!!!

[shadesofgray]

60. +!! Exactly!

[malaise]

61. Then don't expect change

All change comes from below.

[donco6]

20. You forgot: "And vote for him no matter what."

Right?

[Dream Girl]

44. Yep. The right wins when there is low turnout. Have you forgotten the eight

year nightmare already? With a low turnout, they will be able to steal then next election so fast and who they get in there will make the last eight years look like a picnic. It really is about the lesser or two evils, you know. Sad but true.

[donco6]

52. Kindof a corrolary to "Too big to fail"

"The alternative is too awful to allow".

Wow. That just gets me all motivated to campaign and donate.

[Skittles]

75. CORRECT

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[liberal N proud]

6. Conspiracy is the only chance the right has of wining elections

They have nothing when it comes to policy.

[Octafish]

11. The ''Intervention in Dallas'' John McCain spoke about...

...certainly reversed the election of 1960.



No matter how many Bernie Madoff gimmicks they employ, in the final analysis, crooks only know how to be crooks. Same for warmongers and traitors.

[Cetacea]

51. Check.

[mmonk]

7. It's called the DLC.

[EFerrari]

16. The corporate media. n/t

[mmonk]

26. While that is also true, I posted the DLC because they use

the same language as the right in describing fellow Democrats.

[EFerrari]

28. That's very true. n/t

[laughingliberal]

47. Yes and, interestingly, they believe that to be persuasive nt

[KG]

8. oh, my! whatever shall we do?

(clutched pearls) :scared:

[salguine]

14. Don't presume everything is a conspiracy. If I sit the next election out,

it ain't gonna be because some right-wing asshole whispered for me to in my ear. It'll be because none of the options are acceptable to me. I sure as shit won't vote for Obama again.

[Dream Girl]

37. You won't even know it when it's being whispered in your ear. It will be so

quiet that it will sound like your own thoughts. They know what they are doing. Don't be so naive.

[salguine]

63. Just because you're so susceptible to it doesn't mean I'm as gullible as you. Naive? Are

you joking?

Will it look like this? I bet it will.

[goclark]

19. You are not Dreaming Dream Girl

That is exactly what is happening!

[dajoki]

21. Don't you be so naive...

as to presume that all of us on the left could be swayed by anything the rightwing does or says. Yes, right now I am dissapointed in Obama, though not because someone told me to be so and I will not sit out any elections.

[Dream Girl]

35. They are insidious and they are here. You are being influenced by them.

[laughingliberal]

68. That is, likely, true. But that does not affect me nearly as much as the bashing the left is taking

from the 'centrists' here. I am much more convinced that the minimizing and discounting of our concerns about the conservative agenda being enacted by the Democrats, complete with insults and name calling, is much more detrimental. How many times does the average person get the put downs and insults and told they are 'irrelevant' before their answer becomes, "fuck it. win your damned election without us?" Insidious, huh? Looks like classic voter suppression techniques to me.

[Dream Girl]

43. My point is that they are out there fanning the flames of our discontent and

in fact they started the day after the election. Remember the meme that the black Obama voters helped get Prop eight passed. Remember how much discord there was on DU.. It was really, really ugly. The flame fanners were out in full force. They are not going to announce themselves.

[walldude]

22. Well insinuating that people who are speaking out against policy they

disagree with are being manipulated is not a good way to start your tenure on DU. No one manipulates me. No one controls how I think. No pathetic little double digit IQ republican moron can make me say or think anything.

I worked hard for Obama, and the Democrats and I am disappointed in the HCR bill, In the non-progress on equal rights for LGBT's, in the war in Afghanistan, in the bank bailouts, in corporate personhood, hell there is a big list, and I have not only the right to be angry about these things but the responsibility.

The right doesn't need a conspiracy, the Dems are hanging themselves just fine without them.

If I were Obama I would do the things I could. Like repeal DADT. No votes needed no debate, just a phone call and a signature. I would get a medicare buy-in for all into the HCR bill, easily done in reconciliation with only 51 votes.
I would pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Both are illegal wars started without a vote in Congress. Both are wasteful wars that only inflame the Middle Easts hatred of American and Americans. I would talk straight to the American people.. I would end this fantasy of "the terrorists hate us for our freedom" and tell the American people what they don't want to hear. That we are bringing this upon ourselves with our shitty foreign policy. I would tell the people that the terrorists plans to break us financially are working and if we don't stop pretending that our shit doesn't stink we are going to end up a third world nation ourselves.
I would come out strong on the Global Climate crisis, taking the lead on alternative energies and show the world how it's done. I would speak the truth about the shrinking ice caps and the fact that if we don't do something NOW our childrens children will be living under water.

And that is for starters. But what do I know, I'm just an easily manipulated naive fuck on the internet.

[Dream Girl]

42. In my President Dream Girl fantasy, I would do all of those things and more

but I know those are all much easier said than done. It will take a long, long, time to get us out of this mess and each step needs to be timed. DADT will be repealed next year. We are getting out of Iraq. Afghanistan is a bit f'n mess. Our foreign policy is shitty, but your think that can be magically reversed by Obama in less than a year, get real. BTW, I've been on DU since 2004. ( I just did a name change in the amnesty but messed it up so had to start over. ) I have started posting again because I can see where we are headed and want to warn people. Think back to 2000. Times were relatively good, we had a Democrat in the WH for eight years. Election 2000, some of us accepted the meme that both nominees were essentailly the same centrist corporate shills, etc Problem was one was far, far worse that the other would have been. Think about that eight year nightmare. How many of were brought to the brink of despair. It will be so much worse next time.

[anonymous171]

23. I'm not going to sit out, but I am going to make Obama work for my vote

If you know what I mean.

[surrealAmerican]

24. It's more like a corporate, right-wing media that's ...

... trying to make him look bad, and leftists who are lacking other sources of information. Not everything bad is the result of a conspiracy.

[FreakinDJ]

25. + 100000000000000000000000

[OHdem10]

27. Here is the problem. The Left remembers all the times during the

campaign when Obama appeared to be a real Democrat. Example:
The speceial Day when Sen.Kennedy passed the torch to Obama.
There was rejoicing. It was reported that the Party would
now be more willing to stand for Liberal causes. In fact
the case was made against Hillary because Bill was DLC.
All the Democratic Websites were in sheer joy.. Throughout
the campaign many such instances where Obama was pictureds
at least as leaning left.

BAM! He gets to WH and is ready to sign center right legislation
without appearing to bat an eye. Center Right is how GWB and
Tom DeLay governed. He appears to have taken the DLC Mantle.

He should have known when he put Senators like Baucus, Conrad
etc he would get a right leaning bill.

This has nothing to do with Republicans. It is what Liberals
are observing.

[Odin2005]

30. FAIL!

[Cetacea]

31. K&R, and a belated welcome.

I am sure Hillary Clinton wasn't exaggerating when she referenced it. I remember "Impeach Clinton" bumper stickers on cars a month after he took office, and they never let up. They are extremely organized, ESPECIALLY on the intraswebs.

[rwheeler31]

32. Exactly we are all being manipulated every day.

We need to get behind this president, the alternatives are unthinkable. Helping is harder than griping.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. That they work with Grover Norquist should have been the final clue anybody needed.

[Dream Girl]

39. They had their game plan together before the election.

They knew that expectations would be high. Pent up demand from eight years of Bush. People are easily disapporinted when they are so, so hungr for change. Has any politician been able to keep all of their campaign promises? Within the first 9 months? The first black president? They are fanning the flames of our discontent. Many of them are right here and they are working overtime.

[jb2u11]

41. Obama lost my faith

He didn't do what I voted for him to do, as far as I can tell he has done much the opposite. I am not going to try to excuse it I will simply call it like i see it. He lied just like every other politician out there. He is no different from the others and I will not support him in the next election. We bashed the crap out of Bush for among other things spending too much money........Obama's spending in just the first year made Bush look like a tightwad. What did we get for it? Nothing but a big pile of debt that we will never live long enough to see get paid.

Sorry I'm ranting, but it makes me mad.

[G_j]

most were fighting Bush and Cheney tooth and nail for eight years

and then helped Obama get elected.

:shrug:

[Cetacea]

54. +1

Either that or most people have extremely short memories. I find your explanation more realistic.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

57. "Easily disappointed"?

Surely you're not that clueless.

--Wall Street bailouts are fucking huge.
--Escalation in Afghanistan is fucking huge.
--Insurance/pharma giveaways in the name of "reform" are fucking huge.

Ooh, the race card. Nice. And it'll be a year in January--check your calendar.

[Capn Sunshine]

40. It's so obvious to all

except the ones dedicated to living online in their heated alt reality. But thank God they are online and not rw.

Too bad we have to expend resources now on GOTV as opposed to something else, but 'twas ever thus.

Sense and sensibility will prevail. Despite hysteria to the contrary.

I think what happened was that there have always been the hytserics, but Obama's election and the economic crash made them think that everything they think is true, and only they are privy to the enlightenment of how to do things.

[Gman2]

48. I redirect my anger. At refucks. Sure, I'll be honest about my feelings.

Doesnt mean I will do anything but support the better pol. Ever. And I believe that goes for most, just like the rethugs will flock home from libertarianism.

[LooseWilly]

50. A right wing conspiracy? Bwahahahahahahahahaha !!!1!1!!!!1!1!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


The only "right wing conspiracy" to which you could possibly be referring is what I like to refer to as "the Obama administration". I'd never thought to call the Obama administration a right wing conspiracy to agitate the left (by completely neglecting policy goals, denigrating those who have those goals, insulting those who believed that work would be done to achieve the stated goals of the party's platform, and now there are shills here telling "us" (the left) that we're being manipulated by invisible "conservative faeries"... possibly by means of the flouridation of our drinking water...).

Hmm, I kind of like your thinking though Dream Girl. Obama is a right wing conspiracy plant to split the Democratic party... presumably the "2" of the "1-2 punch" that was begun with Nader?... And it was planned in advance by Michael Steele, who simply plays at being a complete idiot... in order to further highlight the idiocies of the evangelical extreme right of the Republican party... The final move, of course, will be to ridicule the Palin-Wing of the Republican party, once the Nader/Obama conspiracy has played out to split the moderates from the left... allowing a business candidate to step forward and claim the mantle of competence and managerial expertise?

One of the Waltons perhaps... with a promise to make the US into one big Wal-Mart, with some facilities to be provided for the day laborers of every ethnicity loitering around the parking lots of the nation... hoping for a corporate scrap or crumb?


Brilliant!!

[laughingliberal]

53. Perhaps but the bashing of the left by the administration and their supporters isn't helping much,

either. Not sure why anyone here that is a part of that is concerned. We've already been told we are not the base. The leader of the hate the left brigade in the administration has said the left is irrelevant. Good. Relieves us of a lot of responsibility. We're not the base and we are irrelevant. Guess that leaves us free to do whatever we choose, huh?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

55. "Overnight" is over...it's been nearly a year since the inauguration.

1. It's not a "conspiracy"--it's clearly out in the open (e.g., Corporate Media).

2. The "lefties" will be proven correct once again. I know no one--of any political stripe--who supported the Wall Street bailouts. A majority of Americans supported escalation in Afghanistan, but once things get even uglier, they'll suddenly oppose the war (like they did with Iraq). So-called moderates are clueless about health care "reform," but once they wrap their brains around "IRS-enforced mandates with no insurance industry cost controls," they'll suddenly be far right or far left.

3. How would I do it? I'd roll fucking heads. But Obama won't do that--he's shown his true colors and doing exactly what he wants.

"Naive"? Pot meet kettle. And don't worry, there are enough "cheerleaders" at DU to balance any "haters."

[ProgressOnTheMove]

56. Exactly, his detractors are judging him as if Pres. Obama is on a fair level playing field and ...

mostly there's no covert conspiracy, they are plotting against him out in the open. In the context of all the moving parts and variables he has to deal with Pres. Obama is doing amazingly well. They will try to impeach the President if they regain the congress and from there on any form of progress will become a long distant dream.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

58. No one expects a level playing field in politics...

surely you're not that naive.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

59. Well that's true but in most democracies folks expect the opposition to be half reasonable out of...

interest for the nation as a whole. It would be naive for me to see the status quo as acceptable and once more people can see that too then we can change things.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

62. That ship sailed long ago in this country. (n/t)

[Greyhound]

64. "what could (I) do if (I was)Obama"? Puhlease...

The short answer is the opposite of everything he has done. From appointing blatantly compromised industry shills to oversee the industries they came out of, to actually being the leader I claimed to be while was begging for votes.
:grr:

[laughingliberal]

65. That would have been a good start! nt

[LWolf]

66. I don't think so.

I saw Obama as a center-right politician the first time I heard him speak, before he was elected to the Senate. Nobody pointed it out to me.

I paid attention to the substance behind the feel-good euphoria of his campaign speeches, and realized that the policies he was dressing up in emotional language were center-right, and therefore unacceptable.

When he was nominated, I hoped the rest of the party knew better than I. I sent him a letter of congratulations and hope for the future on election day.

It didn't take long for me to see the direction he intended to head. His appointments spoke quite loudly about that, and they weren't good.

So I wasn't excited about his inauguration. I already knew what to expect.

I haven't been proven wrong.

Nobody but Obama, his administration, and some "centrists" have been stirring up my opposition.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

67. So the decisions he has made have nothing to do with the outrage.

[laughingliberal]

73. Hey, STFU and support the President!

There, are you persuaded?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

79. I do support the President just not as blindly as some it would seem.

But you've almost convinced me. Tell me to STFU a few more times and it may do the trick. At least that seems to be the strategy of many here. Your post did give a me a good chuckle. :toast:

[laughingliberal]

82. Same here. I look for issues upon which I can support the President but will oppose when I don't

agree. Glad you got a chuckle out of this. I am utterly baffled by those who think this would be the way to persuade people to see things their way.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

69. So the shadow government forced him to defend the Bush administration in court?

[sendero]

70. You know..

... the proof is in the pudding. I don't need a teabagger to tell me that this president is RIPPING ME OFF to pay off the bankers.

I'm sure it's all quite over your head, but I assure you, my unhappiness with Obama is his complete inability to act like a Democrat at all.

The freepers should like him - same old wars, same old fucked up policies, same old corporate welfare at the expense of everybody.

[laughingliberal]

72. +1

[Caretha]

71. He's got 3 more years

I have until then to make up my mind. BTW, I don't need your help, but thanks anyway.

[Laelth]

74. You're right, of course.

They'll probably pay Nader to run again in 2012.

But if the Democrats we elected actually acted like Democrats, this wouldn't even be an issue.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Synicus Maximus]

76. They don't need a conspiracy to stir up the left. We do a good

enough job of being stirred up all by ourselves.

[liberal_at_heart]

77. I have not intention of giving up

But I'm also not going to vote democrat just to keep a republican out of office. I will vote for a progressive democat whenever possible and when not I will vote for third party.

[Cleita]

78. There is a difference between criticizing Obama and "going after" Obama.

Lefties do hold their leaders feet to the fire as contrary to walking in lockstep over cliff behind our leader like Republicans do. However, I can assure you that anyone "going after" Obama is not a true Democrat but someone pretending to be. Also, be assured that we are not stirred up, agitated or egged on. We would have to be wearing tea bags to join that brotherhood. WE think for ourselves.

[WT Fuheck]

80. I'm more convinced than ever that there is a vast right wing conspiracy to

control the left using the DLC, "centrist" Democrats and gross manipulation of the electoral process.

[earth mom]

81. The right doesn't tell me shit. I don't watch their lying bullshit news. I make up my own mind.

FYI:

Obama freely chose Rahm, Geithner and Summers.

Obama freely chose to promote that War is Peace while accepting a "peace prize" and increasing troops.

Obama freely chose to lie to our faces and say he never promised a public option.

And you say we shouldn't be upset but instead we need to worry about what the god damn rethugs think about our outrage?!

You have got to be kidding me! :wtf: