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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:12 PM
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Were you bullied in school? Let it out here; let's share our experiences.
I was changed to a school closer to my house in 8th grade (private school for lower income kids who had little appreciation for a skinny, middle-high class nerdy guy like me) and this 10th grader, a feared, violent dude, made everything in his power to humillate me for months (I'm a skinny, physically weak individual and he was muscular, tough looking). He forced me to make push ups in front of EVERYONE in school, picked on me in the lunchroom, and made everything in his power to make my life miserable. Eventually he became tired of it and he stopped and I was able to be accepted by everyone by the end of the semester (I left that school anyway and went back to my old school), but the hatred I felt for that guy... he is an individual I can't simply forgive, and it's been 11 years since those events. Whenever I remember him, I feel angry because he was able to make me go through hell and nobody looked out for me then, and I didn't have the physical means to get even.

His name is Alexis, and I wish him the worst wherever he might be. I wish him pain and suffering.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:14 PM
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1. Yes. Ended up breaking his legs with a bat.
Have a nice day.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:20 PM
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4. I guess that was effective
but do you realize what bullying can do to someone? You had to resort to a bat (weapon) to stop it!
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:17 PM
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2. Not school, but church camp - somewhat unrelated
I went to church camp 2 consecutive summers, the first of which was when I took up Christianity. Although the counselors were shocked to hear about it, I took alot of racial slurs from other campers (I'm 1/2 Asian), more than any other time in my life. I'm not used to being targeted by racism, but apparently these kids thought Asians can't be Christian or something. Also, one time one of the counselors dressed and played the part of a very stereotypical Asian during a "counselor dress-up" contest, which I found shocking and demeaning. Looking back on it, it's one of the things that caused me to almost disown Christianity.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:34 AM
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52. Good God, that's horrible!
I guess everyone is learning to be a good person at their own pace. That counselor is just pacing it a bit too slow. The sooner our society slays its inner Imus, the better off we'll all be.
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:18 PM
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3. yes
every day from 7th grade until graduation (and even a few years after graduation). it was sheer hell. i had to finally get the nerve up to go the therapy for the damage it did. the bullying, the name calling, the lack of support from teachers and faculty was constant.

even now--after i've changed my name- i cringe when i hear my old name. i remember the pain and the agony. the abuse still affects my relationships. it was awful.

thanks for asking...

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:21 PM
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5. I sympathizewith your feelings. I too was a skinny kid in schoool.
Although I wasn't subjected toas much as you were, and I was a girl so the macho thing didn't enter the equasion, it still hurt being constantly called skinny, and never able to find clothes that fit. I always had to put tucks in the waistof every skirt and pants! NOW they have slims butnot back then. It's sad, but it never made me think about killing anybody over it.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:25 AM
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58. Oh yes.
Moved every 6 months or so and had to deal with new schools/neighborhoods. Skinny, shy; hyper-sensitive. Dressed in hand-me-downs. Endured taunts and ridicule from kids at school and abuse at home. Horrible. No way I could have "confronted" anyone as I was emotionally broken. It was a long, long road out. I can see how people might snap. I can totally see it.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:22 PM
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6. Yes
I recently commented to my mother about the bullying and she called me a liar. It says quite a lot to me about the fact that at the time I did not feel safe even at home enough to tell my parents about it and even now she is not receptive to any notion that I would ever have feelings that matter.

Abuse is often not physical and the emotional kind can fuck you up too.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 12:53 PM
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60. Wow...
Your own mother called you a liar? That's rough...

I didn't tell my parents about the bullying I received, either, but for different reasons.

My mom had always been a golden child. Beautiful, popular, completely sunny disposition, and the ability to make the best out of every situation. (The woman broke her back at her high-school graduation party, started college late and in a full-torso cast, and on her first day made friends with three women she is still friends with 40 years later...)

When I mentioned the bullying I was receiving to her, once, she told me that I needed to learn to laugh at myself. If I'm ever able to look into the tear-stained face of my 8-year-old daughter and tell her that, I'll give up parenting. (No kids yet...)

Me, I'm more like my Dad. I was skinny, ugly, wore glasses and braces, had a frizzy mop of hair, used big words, and read while walking home. My Dad was a little guy until he shot up to 6' 4" in college. He'd been picked on in school, but he was raised by an Irish father who felt that beatings with a 2x4 were appropriate. My Dad was a brawler.

When I mentioned the bullying to him, he told me to fight the people who were picking on me. I did it once. Threw a guy over a desk. All that got me was in trouble, and called MORE names because apparently girls aren't supposed to do that sort of thing.

To this day, I have no idea how my parents got together. (Married 31 years in January, though, and still ridiculously in love - opposites attract, huh?)

My parents tried. They did. They tried with their own methods. My method was staying out of the way, and it worked for as long as I needed it to. And here's where I offer up thanks that I had one or two very close, very devoted friends, and a fantastic teacher who listened to me cry and didn't offer any silly advice...
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:23 PM
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7. When I was in grade school, everyone was bullied at some point
We all went through it and all did some of ourselves. Maybe my school was different in that way. There were only 15 boys in class and we became fairly tight with the exception of a couple who turned to heavy drugs before they were out of school and are in jail now.
We all pretty much bullied each other at one point and another, so I guess you could say yes, I do know what it feels like to be bullied.
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:25 PM
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8. Nope, I was never bullied but was the one that took care of those that were...
I think that I had 2 or 3 fights in school, and all were due to protecting the so called underdog... My life has revolved around protecting those that are either bullied or put down for no fault of their own.... In my mind, there is nothing more important to me than standing up for those that are not able to stand up for themselves.....

A story that comes to mind (two of the the three persons involved have now passed) three individuals made it a habit to drive around the three small communities that I live in, and find an individual that they knew would not or could not diffend themselves and beat the shit out of said person.
My first fight was with one of the three of these Aholes... and I kicked the shit out of him....

Did I feel good about this? No, I wish that people on this earth were of the same mind set that I follow, and that is Non agression, let me live my life and you live yours.. and if you need my help, just ask...

ww
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:30 PM
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10. You are a very kind individual
Nice post!
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:41 PM
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21. Thank you for that.... But the interesting thing is.... My youngest son....
who is also very feared by his peers has inherited his old man's geens! He is very fearsome, and never looks for trouble, but will protect anyone and everyone that is considered and underdog ie: Someone that is being bullied... I remember when he got into his first altercation, and he was actually charged with assult by the shit bag that was actually doing the assulting of an individual that was at a major disadvantage by this person.... My son is like his old man, never picks a fight, but will not be either picked on or bullied by his peers... and will certainly be there to assist those that are being bullied...

ww
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:14 PM
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32. That's very cool
just tell your son to be careful; he should also look out for his safety as well!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:29 PM
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9. Yes
Not only from fellow students but even teachers in my high school got into ridiculing me. Perhaps they thought I could "take it" because I was the tallest guy in my class, but in reality I was always really sensitive and was never into macho posturing.

I don't think it was an accident that I was one of few Dems in a heavily Republican district.
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Matsubara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:30 PM
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11. I was a little...
...but the fact that I was over 6 foot tall at age 14 saved me from a lot of it.

But I was awkward and socially inept, and at aome points, whenever I heard other kids burst into laughter, I assumed they were laughing at me.

I can understand Cho's alienation. In my case that was fortunately not amplified by mental illness. I never wanted to kill my classmates.

I eventually found a niche with some other weird kids and learned to like myself, even though I would never really be in the in crowd.

Worst bullying I ever endured was from a kid in 5th grade, but he bullied everyone. He had a glass eye because of an accident with a pencil, and because of the glass eye, kids were intimidated by him, and he became a very angry person. He roughed me up a few times, but it wasn't a constant thing.

Last I heard, in 7th grade he freaked out, hitting a bunch of kids in class for no reason with a heavy chain, so he was expelled and put into juvie.

But I saw smaller, weaker kids around me who got bullied more than I did. In retrospect, I wish I had tried to stand up for them more.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:32 PM
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12. Yes, then brutally, and then no.
When I was in grade school, yeah, and sometimes pretty badly.

It was my first year of high school that was brutal.

As a sophomore I transferred to another school and ended up having a good time.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:32 PM
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13. I was the fat girl
Teased about my weight for all of my 12 years of school. There's still a lot of anger in me about it, almost 25 years later. There's a lot of times that I could understand why the Columbine kids did what they did - outcasts in a school full of jocks and pretty, rich kids. And my high school keeps trying to contact me about coming back for our 25th reunion. Not a chance. I used to joke that I'd go back with an Uzi, but not any more. :(
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:35 PM
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14. I was a mouthy little kid so big kids regularly kicked the shit
out of me. Between my 14th and 15th birthday I grew from 5'7" to 6'1" then I became a mouthy big kid. But you know what? They pretty much left me alone after that. I think it would have been worse for me but a lot of the big guys wanted to get in my sister's pants and thought they might screw up their chances if they beat me up too often.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:35 PM
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15. Oh, yes...the older boys knew I was gay LONG before I did
You haven't been bullied until you've been a fat gay kid in a school full of hillbilly hostiles. It's been more than half a century, and I've tried to forgive them, but I'll never forget it.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:35 PM
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16. No bullying. Just poor judgement on who not to get into fights with.
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 10:37 PM by gatorboy
Golden Glove Boxer. He hit me so hard in the eye, that everything was literally upside down. I thought he had knocked my eye ball out of it's socket. So I was scrambling for my eyeball when the coaches tackled us (Thank God!).

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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:37 PM
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17. After reading stories like this...
it infuriates me that anyone has the nerve to blame videogames for shit like VTech
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:44 AM
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53. I don't think it's a blame, per se, as in playing them causes violence
Video games are just an extreme expression of the way our society glorifies and glamorizes violence. The problem isn't the video game--anymore than the last straw is what broke the camel's back. It's about the way all sorts of entertainment media make violence fun and emotionally validating. Video games are an art form, and the most interactive artform there is. The purpose of art is to shape the way people see and interact with their world. When you have the most intense art that makes violence fun, it's going to shape how some poeple address the problems in their lives. That doesn't remove the responsibility from the individual, but it does influence some people's mental landscape.
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DixieBlue Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:07 AM
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56. And it doesn't help that all too often parents just give their
kids a game, or violent movie, and leave them be.

My husband sells videogames and you would not believe the number of parents of young kids ... 8, 9, 10 year olds ... who'll buy their kids really violent games. My husband always tries to steer them away ... telling them repeatedly that a game rated M is meant for someone much older. But they buy them anyway.

It's not just one thing in our society that's rotting it ... it's a whole handful of things. Lack of parental involvement is a big one.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:37 PM
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18. You have to be seen to be bullied
I was rarely seen.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:57 AM
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44. Ouch.
:hug:

I really feel for you.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:20 AM
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46. Thanks.
I made it through. No sense looking back.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:37 PM
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19. A little. Seeing others bullied is what really chafed my hide though.
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 10:39 PM by havocmom
I once gave in to violent tendencies and walloped three boys who tormented a rather undersized friend. Yep, I beat them with my semi-automatic lunch pail. It was metal. That was back in the day when the thermos bottle in a lunch pail was metal, lined with glass and had some real heft to it.

No one was seriously injured. The teacher called the boys up, one at a time, to apologize to the little girl they had tormented. I figured it would be the firing squad for me. My actions were NEVER mentioned by teachers and admin at the school, well, not to us kids anyway. Looking back, it might be safe to assume there was a lot of discussion, in the teachers' lounge, about the quiet little blond berserker lurking to stamp out injustice on the playground.

I gave a lesson to some bullies and some very wise teachers let the lesson stand on its own merit.

Glad I didn't get arrested, cuffed, and carted off in the paddy wagon, though I did fully expect it at the time.

One of the boys picked me flowers and brought candy to my home. Rather precocious for 9 ;).

edited to address the omission of a phrase
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:40 PM
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20. Maybe we should make this thread part of the one that was already opened before
and I had not seen... :(
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:06 PM
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29. i agree here...
link please?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:09 PM
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30. Here
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:50 PM
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40. thanks katzenkavalier
:-)
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:43 PM
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22. Yeah, I was bullied. Humiliated and raped when I was 17. I survived and I don't need a gun
to make me feel safe.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:37 PM
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35. Oh no, Beausoir.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. :hug:
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 12:17 AM
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43. Thank you, friend. I got over the humiliation and the shame. Mostly.
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 01:05 AM by Beausoir
I was able to get past it. Mostly.

And I still don't need a gun to make me feel safe.

(This is the first time I have ever talked about it on a public forum.)

The worst part of it was that he was my best friend's brother. And she was devastated and heatbroken when I told her what had happened.

To her great credit....she stuck by me. She supported me throughout the entire ordeal.


Cat_girl25...you are good people.

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Crap_in_a_Hat Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:50 PM
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23. I'm unlucky to have a case of Asperger's just mild enough to fully realize it
So you can imagine the shitheels that roam middle and high schools get boners from that. I have a friend who's far more Asperger's than I am, and every time we hung out people called us gay. You know, since either homosexual or heterosexual identity is fully developed at age twelve. This one asshole (Daniel Litteral, lives at 1412 Darnell Lane, goes to bed around ten, is terrified of snakes)was the worst. He ended up switching middle schools, and my high school friends who went to his later school told me he was still a cock over there. Everyone says bullies do it because they're insecure; bullshit. Bullies do it because they get a thrill out of hurting people and they're too young to be bagmen.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:52 PM
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25. Very true
"Everyone says bullies do it because they're insecure; bullshit. Bullies do it because they get a thrill out of hurting people and they're too young to be bagmen."

They enjoy causing pain and anguish to others.
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Crap_in_a_Hat Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:52 PM
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26. Also, just yesterday I got a referral
For doing both the Scalia flick and the "suck it" gesture to this guy who was giving me a hard time. I probably shouldn't have done that in full view of my teacher.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:54 PM
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42. Snake patrol ... reporting for duty!
OH, the precise information about the bully in your post just made me LMAO!
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:51 PM
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24. Yes....and I was the one who got put away......
:nuke: No one is really anyone's friend, at least I got that out of it. :nuke:
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:54 PM
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27. Several elementary schools, junior high schools & high schools.
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 10:58 PM by JanMichael
While I wasn't bullied mercilessly there were some complete assholes who I had to deal with. Mainly by virtue of being "new" and by having a small stature. One dipship which dogged me in 8th grade for the bulk of one quarter stands out. Eventually this dickless imbecile challenged me to an after school fight and I accepted. He was a grade older and taller and heavier yet I didn't care at that point. Once outside we faced off and he showed off a big ring which he said he'd hit me with. I stood there ready for it and he charged me. Well to make a long story short he made the mistake of trying to take it to the ground; I ended up a varsity wrestler two years later. Brass tacks I won then in 1981 and if I had the chance to kick his sorry bully ass again today I'd happily do it.

It was however difficult before the fight as he was a constant malevolent commentator against me. The taunting was daily. Like I said if the dickhead who I'm talking about wanted to re-engage I'd happily put his ass in a hospital today.

Any SMS OP KC area former bullies reading this?

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donco Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:01 PM
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28. same thing happened to me
I was a little older that you, of course it slowed down a bit after I got out of boot camp.
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:13 PM
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31. GOD ..... This a so important topic..... The big problem that I see is that instead of fisty cuffs.
it now comes down to who has a gun or multiple guns.... Not sure about others, but this sucks big time to me! What the hell happened to good old fisty cuffs? No one was seriously hurt (In most cases ) We were able to determine that the bullies were only as good as they thought they were, and no more.

ww
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:19 PM
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33. Excessive violance is the big difference.
Sure people got hurt in one-on-one fights in the 70's-80's but it seems that the no-weapons fights have diminished. Apparently they have been marginally replaced by group beatings and guns and other weapons.

Two guys or girls hitting each other a couple of times with closed hands can hurt but it rarely kills or maims!

Man times have changed...

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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:32 PM
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34. ...some, until I joined the wrestling team in 10th grade....
..didn't always win, but alot of our matches were during school hours and witnessed by the entire student body. There's something about getting the shit kicked out of you and just getting up for more over and over that puts bullies off. Then again, when I did the kicking and won, that helped too.

Also, the 'meet me after school, and I'll kick your ass' began to be responded to with - 'sure, see you at practice'. Only a few ever showed up and were soundly tromped - they wouldn't try anything like a knife or a blunt instrument because they were surrounded by the rest of the team (some of them pretty big).

All of our families had guns, but I don't ever remember a gun showing up at school - probably because the parents of the gun-toter would have REALLY come down hard on anyone who took one to school.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:41 PM
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36. occasionally
The worst period was middle school, of course. It wasn't exactly "middle school" though because it was grades 7-12. Gym was pretty hellish for the younger kids who socially or athletically awkward. There were certainly kids who had it worse than me, and I wish I had done something to help them (besides not bully them myself).
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:46 PM
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37. I was beaten to a bloody pulp at Auburn in 1967.
All because my friend (a faculty member who played in a band of mine) was gay. We were both beaten at a bar between Auburn and Opelika. In 1972, after I returned from Viet Nam, I was in another bar with my sister when one of the 1967 attackers came up and apologized. He had done six months on the conviction for his 1967 assault. He seemed truly repentant .. and I accepted his apology.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:48 PM
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38. I was bullied a little. You can find it in the other thread.
After reading those stories and some here, I was lucky. I think I got bullied more at home than anything. I had seven siblings and we would all rank on each other. Looking back on it makes me laugh but at the time it wasn't as funny.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:50 PM
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39. Not physically, but mentally "picked on" as far as bullying is concerned...
I was a small fry short guy, so I got my fair shair of some merciless teasing and taunting because of that but never seemed to get it physically (apart from a push here and there - can still honestly say I've never been in a "fight" with fisticuffs of any kind). One of my nicknames was "Little A" - which I now think is kind of funny reflecting back on it. Somehow I was pretty good at being coy and holding my smart mouth comments to myself, and I was also genuinely easy to get along with a variety of different types of folks (a skill I still value highly and use). Somehow, those factors and my smarts seemed to get me out of trouble, and I think being shy but friendly helped me there. I seemed to have various protectors on the sand lot and streets, too, over time and through different transitions in my school days (seriously, I have a history of subconsciously making friends with tall guys ... strange!). In some sense, I think there was a degree of "don't pick on the little guy" playground rules working in all this, though that meant I got to hear a lot of short jokes instead. Looking back, I think I was pretty damn lucky to honest, when I compare myself to others. I certainly observed the people who were picked on physically and didn't mimic their behavior; I did feel bad for them, though, because you could see how the bullying burned them up and they spit it right back in anger.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:52 PM
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41. yes. very much so. junior high gym especially
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 11:53 PM by Adenoid_Hynkel
having a rightwing alcoholic running the gym class didnt help
he enabled them and in many cases, joined in the taunting of non-jock students.
looking back on it, my parents (and many others) should have sued that school out of existance
but i guess that's considered the norm when you go to school in w.va.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:06 AM
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45. Yes and here is my extensive answer
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 07:40 AM
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47. I had a PE teacher in first and second grade who picked on me horridly.
I was close to the world's worst athlete. I had no discernable athletic talent and my PE teacher used to point it out and call me wussy in front of all the kids. That was bad enough but then I finally did have an athletic talent. I could kick a kick ball very well. Every single time up to bat I would kick a homerun. All of the sudden people wanted me on their team. So what did this asshole do? He started pitching the ball super bouncy but only to me. So I went from homerun king to strike out king over night. Then he started to laugh and call me names again. Eventually he went to far when he accused me of cheating. I told my mom and she reamed him out.
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Handsome Pete Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 07:50 AM
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48. Yep! You betcha.
And now that I'm a teacher, with my vewy, vewy own classroom, I absolutely do not tolerate bullying behavior. If any of my kids bully another student, I go to the parents house after school and have a little chat with Mom and Dad.

Then I make the offenders hand copy a 5 page article about bullying, and an article about how the Colombine kids were bullied.

Luckily, I teach in a district where bullying is taken extremely seriously.

Cannot abide bullies <wrings tiny hands in despair>

OK. Now I'm done.

Bye.

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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 08:43 AM
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49. Not personally
but a lot of people bullied my little brother. I got into a lot of people's faces about it. I think people were a little afraid of me because I had such a bad temper. And it wasn't just at school either. I mixed it up with the idiot boys that lived two doors away from us. I think they were shocked that some girl would get in their faces. I wasn't afraid of them because I come from a huge family with four older brothers and two older sisters. I have never felt a punch as severe as the punches my sister gave out. From a man or woman. When you grow up with that, what else do you have to be afraid of?

I would never bully anyone. I am a big defender of those weaker than me. And I have a big mouth. That puts people off, although I have mellowed in my middle years.
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Rabbit of Caerbannog Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:10 AM
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50. I looked up my H.S. nemesis on Classmates.com
To this day I still harbor a rage against him and his minions and fantasize about "getting even". I graduated in the late 70s and still haven't let it go.

Anyway - I looked him up on Classmates.com (shocked that he'd enter a profile) and he's currently single - and owns 2 cats. Who'da'thunk he'd be a "cat person"...
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:29 AM
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51. There's four people I will beat the shit out of, maybe kill, if I ever see them again.
They made every bus ride I took in 7th grade a living hell. Fucking shits thought it was funny to grope me, especially the man-tits I had going at the time, until I cried. I had no muscle tone at the time and couldn't do any damage no matter how much I hit them. One of them even pointed a boner at me once.

Teachers/administrators/bus drivers did nothing. Needless to say, I started attending a different school the next year.

By the way, I'm a guy.

I ever see any of those fuckers again, you won't be hearing from me for a LONG while.
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DixieBlue Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:57 AM
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54. No, but one of my little brothers was...
It started when he was in kindergarten. He had a lazy eye and had surgery to fix it ... it still wasn't healed by the time school started and drifted a little. Also wore these enormous glasses. I'm a year older than he is and was charged by my parents with watching over him. So, there we were, a first grader and a kindergartener sitting on the bus, my brother by the window, full of excitement for school. Suddenly this kid across the bus aisle leaps into our seat, knocks me onto the floor and begins beating the crap out of my little brother. There was nothing I could do, I was pinned under him on the floor. The busdriver had to stop the bus to pull the kid off my brother.

From then on it seemed like my brother had a sign taped to him saying, "Bully the hell out of me". The constant bullying lead to behavior problems down the road. Also affected his schooling. And, the worst of it, there were teachers that aided and abetted his social ostracization. My brother was a good kid. A kind kid. He's a smart kid but his grades never showed that because he hated school and never tried ... all because of the bullying.

In high school it got worse because, now not only did the assholes verbally pick at him (and still some teachers), but they began to start real rumbles with him. It was almost a weekly occurrence that someone would come up to me to say my brother had been in another fight. One happened right outside my chemistry class. A huge group gathered around my brother and this guy and no one was doing anything to stop it. So I, who was a 5'6" 125 pound girl, jumped in the middle of the guys (built like linebackers, my brother and bully) and pushed them apart. Only then did the teachers (who'd been watching from the sidelines) step in to stop the fight.

My brother was lucky, though. There were people who saw his potential. He recognized his talent for writing and wood-working and math. He was on the track team with me in high school and made a lot of friends that way. We went to a really small school, though. 120 students in my graduating class. I can't help but wonder if he'd turned out differently if we'd gone to one of those mega schools where kids can fall into themeselves so easily.

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:29 AM
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57. Damn that was horrible for your brother.
I will have to stop reading these bully stories because it's really making me mad.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:01 AM
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55. Wasn't bullied, but as a teacher I have seen
way too much bullying. Teachers can't be everywhere at once, and can't possibly stop all of it, even tho they try to introduce and support the concept of tolerance for all individuals.

More than active bullying, I notice the ignoring/dissmissal of certain students, as if these students do not even merit acknowledgemnt of existence. These students are frozen out of the social experience in high-school, because they either look different, or act differently....but most are frozen out because of their outward appearance. Often, these outcasts band together in pseudo-goth groups, further inviting ostracism.

The cruelty of kids never ceases to amaze me. I do not remember myself and my friends being this cruel in the 70's....of course, everyone was about "love and peace" back then. Or, maybe I was so blind, I didn't see it.
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 12:34 PM
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59. my story
My story:

It seems that when I begin to write this story that the locker colors in my high school are most vivid. Why would I even associate the pain I felt during school with locker colors? It’s because each hall had a specific color to designate grade level.

Green:

It is 7th grade year. I am 12. I am scared because all summer I had heard stories of lockers getting stacked and books falling on your head. I have heard tales of many persons being jumped in the restrooms for lunch money. I don’t know if these stories are true or not, but I do know that I am frightened and I really don’t want to be harmed.

On the first day of school it has become apparent to me that in spite of my fear of lockers being stacked, there is something else waiting for me. All the rumors from elementary school have followed me across the parking lot. They have passed through the doors of the high school and down the hallway. On my locker is written the word ‘fag’. It was the first day of school. I only came to discover later that this new name, this word, this mark of shame was to define me for the next 5 years.

I quickly learned not to cross into the main school hallway as if I did I would be fair game for bullying. I learned this during second hour. Jock alley, as it was known, was a main passing hallway to other parts of the school. This is where the finest and the most popular gentlemen hung out. As I was new and young, my name had already traveled across the lot and to my locker, it was only a matter of time before I learned how it would hurt.

Since I didn’t have many friends at that time, I walked alone into the hallway. The normal chatter and banter silenced and I felt eyes turning towards me. This silence, which seemed to last forever, was finally broken with the hissing sound of the word ‘Faggot’. It became louder and louder as each ‘jock’, from grades 7-12 who stood there, chanted it. I recall turning red and keeping my head down. It was then that I realized there was no escaping.

Lunch hours became worse as no one would sit with me. I arrived in the lunch room and sat alone—which was how it was to be for the next 5 years. I recall walking and asking others in my grade, who were once friends, if I could sit with them. The answer was “no”. I finally found a place by myself at a far table. I ate with my head down and never faced anyone.

September turned to December, which turned eventually to May—the year became progressively worse. I realized that being quiet was my only defense. I learned to not smile. I learned not to speak up. I developed a nervous tic of pulling my clothing, which was mimicked.

The word written on my locker followed me all year—I learned that by showing no emotion, showing no reaction only exacerbated the situation. Once I spoke up to defend myself, and when I did find my voice, which had not changed yet as I was still only 12, I was immediately dubbed Fag-Smurfette. I learned that if I had to speak up in class that the only way I could do it was if I could whisper, so I spoke in a barely audible fashion until teachers gave up on calling on me. . . all that was green turned to grey afterwards.

Grey:

8th grade year was no better. By this time the rumors of my perceived gayness, my perverted state, my illness, had traversed the parking lot and had infiltrated the grade school. In the green hall fresh new voices added to the choruses of the older students. I became more and more an object of ridicule as the younger students realized by bullying me that they were free of the bullying.

In the grey hallway I had a locker. F-A-G did not meet me on the first day. But a few months later, someone nearby had memorized my locker combination and my locker was opened during the day. When I went to open it between classes-- the disposable bags from the girl’s bathrooms had been smeared across the inside of my locker, on my coat, on my books. Tampons and pads from the machines had been stuck and hung to all hooks inside and a note was placed in my locker. It read: “Here fag, you want to be a woman so much—you can start by learning to use these.” I remember standing there trying not to cry. Teachers were in the hallway. They saw what was falling out of my locker. Finally one came up to me and without a word she grabbed the items and helped me clean them out. She said nothing to me. She said nothing to the kids who were standing around laughing. She only went through the motions of cleaning things up.

Two days later scratched into my locker door was written the words “We kill people like you” and “The KKK is here to stay-Die Gay!”

Things were no better than the previous year. I ate alone. I walked with my head down. Grey turned to Pink and I became a freshman.

Pink:

Freshman year started off with a parent protest of my presence at the bus-stop. It was brought up to the school board that some parents did not want me to be on the bus as I may molest their children. My mother and father, who knew that something was wrong, learned of this later when I was asked by the bus driver not to remain on his route. For six weeks my mom drove me to school until a new bus could be found for me to ride. However, the same sort of protest arose. For two weeks I had to ride in the front of this bus with the Superintendent sitting beside me. The bus driver was then instructed to have me sit in the front seat closest to him. I could tell that he was not happy with my presence on his route.

High school gym was painful. For some reason the new rumors of me possibly being a molester had become so bad that I was told by the gym teachers to change my clothing in the stalls as other students complained that I looked at them while they were changing. How could I? All I remember is the gym locker room floor, the dirty color of the lockers, the rancid scent of cheap cologne and deodorant. I never looked at anyone because I learned 2 years before this that if I did I’d be ridiculed or punched.

I’d sit in study hall and read rhymes about me on desks. I’d read how I was gay and going to die of aids. I’d read on the desk not to sit there because during 5th hour I sat in that desk. I don’t know if anyone heeded the warning. I only remember sitting there with my face down trying to read and hoping that no one would see me.

The word that was written two years earlier on my locker was already branded on my forehead. I walked with it branded on my back. I felt the sting of it from younger and younger kids as more and more parents and older siblings instructed the younger ones of how evil I was.

Eventually the color pink changed to yellow. It was no better.

Yellow—

There may be once bright moment to be associated with this bright color as a new teacher who was extremely compassionate wrote a note on my paper one afternoon. She must have heard the taunting and known that it went on—she wrote to me “Promise me that you will not let them crush your soul”. It was too late. They had done it. What little bit of soul I had did lighten though. At least someone saw the pain. She never encouraged me to speak in her class. As usual, I kept quiet as I was afraid of my voice—afraid that I may sound feminine. I didn’t even know that my voice had changed so much from that time in 7th grade. It didn’t matter. If I did speak when I was called upon it was still in a quiet whisper. My head was always down.

Sophomore year was more of the same. New generations added to the now familiar litany of gay, fag, homo, molester, pervert—I had a more colorful life than I could imagine as every story of my sexual preferences, every possible sexual thing I had ever done (hell, I was still a virgin when I was 27), was told over and over again. Looking back, I had no idea how vivid their imaginations were. I’d suffer attacks on the bus—as I was told by the bus driver that I could no longer sit in the front as he was implementing a new system and I’d have to buck up and be a man. In the back I’d be taunted—I didn’t fight. I would close my eyes and imagine that I was not there.

Dark Grey.

AIDS. “I hope you die of AIDs! You will not live past thirty and I will laugh at your death, Aids”. My new name became AIDs. Mike and his girlfriend, Diane, who were both so very much the epitome of Christian Children, would remind me every morning of how I was going to die of Aids because that’s what God gave fags. They would hiss this at me as I’d get my books. I’d pray that the bus would arrive earlier to school. If it did, I’d not have to hear their words—but more than often it didn’t and for 180 days—that was my welcome every morning. Of course there were variations.

By this time my name was so well known that even younger kids, as young as elementary school began to add to the chorus that I heard in the halls. Fed up with having to protect me, the bus driver did nothing to keep the chants from occurring when I entered the bus every morning. I guess, however, it did get out of hand when I was told one after noon that I would not be riding bus 17 anymore, but bus 19. The collective cheer of each voice on the bus was my last memory. They were rid of me. They were rid of the pervert, the gay, the molester, the fag, the guy who would die of Aids.

By this time I had no social skills. I had no dates. I had no friends. I walked alone. My own brother, who was two years younger than me, would not walk to the bus stop with me. He was allowed to remain on bus 17. I was shuttled to bus 19 and it was more of the same. He did not support me when I went to explain to my parents why I had to walk 2 blocks down and they said I was blowing it out of proportion. (It was not until a few years ago, when I finally had a major breakdown that my parents apologized and they realized it was worse than they thought).

Bus 19 was worse than all. It was there that I learned that I had to sit on the floor as no one would let me sit with them. I went to complain and the bus driver told me I was lying. I went to complain at the office and the bus driver was called in and I was told once again I was lying. To prove to them that I did sit in a seat, the principal rode for two days with me. I was allowed to sit on a seat then. When he left, I had to sit on the floor. How the bus driver got away with that—it’s so against the law—but this was in a small rural area—he just let it slide. The bus driver, being a devout Baptist that he was, told me that he didn’t want me to sit in the front with the younger kids as he heard I was a molester—a fag—and he would not have them in danger.

I learned to squat to make it appear that I was seated so he could drive the bus later when another complaint was raised.

My senior year was no better. I had senior photos done. I begged my parents not to buy them as I hated the thought of having my photo placed in the yearbook. They purchased some for family members and for me to give to friends. Hell, I still have the box of wallet sized ones. I was not asked for one by anyone. The year was marked by nothing special. There were no dates. There was no prom. There was nothing-only torture of the same magnitude. During graduation ceremony when my name was called there was a hush and a ripple of giggles in the audience. I wanted to cry. Even more, I wanted to cry for my parents who didn’t know why there was a collective bit of giggling from the audience.

Did I want to strike out? Did I wish death on all of them? Yes. Did I strike out? No. I went deeper and deeper inside.

Many years later—after therapy—I got over my nervous tic and there are time when I still clear my throat before talking. I don’t trust many people as I saw the ugliness beyond imagination in human nature. I barely spoke a word during those times—even now it’s hard to write all of this.

I wish I could have written this narrative better. I wish there was a way to give it some of the pain I felt so the reader would understand.

And yes, I am gay.




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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 12:55 PM
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61. The cruelty of kids is amazing
but what is even more amazing is how adults enable the hazing... there is no other name
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flying_monkeys Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:10 PM
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62. Wow, BattenS
I feel your pain strongly. You wrote your narrative perfectly.


I think this essay should be required reading for highschoolers.


(And I am so sorry for the Hell you endured. I wish I could say something else to let you know, MANY of us hear, MANY of us care, MANY of us will say speak up if we ever witness what you went through happening at our children's school. At least, *I* will. Thank you for telling your story)
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:14 PM
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63. I am in tears reading this I just can't put into words how angry and sad your post makes me
I am so sorry for what happened to you. Everytime one of these Christians complain that they are persecuted they should have to spend just one day living your life back then. Until then they can have a gigantic can of STFU.
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