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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 11:35 PM
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An all woman cast results in success - Fixing the mammography snafu
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 11:41 PM by autorank
HHS Task Force Mammogram Recs Slammed

It took less than 48 hours, says Michael Collins, for medical advocates to dismiss an unqualified recommendation about mammograms. Hats off to Diane Rehm, Rebecca Zurrbier MD, and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius!


Cancer doc (left) tops bureaucrat (right) on cancer recommendations (WUSA).

The (task force) recommends against routine screening mammography in women aged 40 to 49 years.

— U.S. Preventative Services Task Force, Nov. 17, 2009

My message to women is simple. Mammograms have always been an important life-saving tool in the fight against breast cancer and they still are today. Keep doing what you have been doing for years - talk to your doctor about your individual history, ask questions, and make the decision that is right for you. — Kathleen Sebelius, Health and Human Services Secretary, Nov. 18, 2009
A day later, Wednesday, Nov. 18, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius issued a statement dismissing the committee recommendations.
The U.S. Preventive Task Force is an outside independent panel of doctors and scientists who make recommendations. They do not set federal policy and they don't determine what services are covered by the federal government. — Kathleen Sebelius, Nov. 18, 2009
The committee is made up of independent practitioners but operates under the sponsorship of the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, HHS. The agency states that their task force "recommendations have formed the basis of the clinical standards for many professional societies, health organizations, and medical quality review groups."

Sebelius didn't care. Amidst Republican outcries that this was the way Democratic sponsored health reform would operate, she issued her terse statement dismissing the dismissal of mammography for women 40 to 49.

The DC flap started when Diane Rehm had task force member Dr. Diane Pettiti, MD on her show yesterday, Nov. 18. She asked the doctor for the name of one cancer specialist on the task force. Petitti was unable to answer (video 1:53). The doctor also told Rehm that "Cost effectiveness was not a part of the discussion. Cost was not uttered in the room."

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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:16 AM
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1. And as expected
the members of this policy board were stooges for the insurance companies.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:30 AM
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4. Right
WUSA, Channel 9, DC found 3 insurance affiliations among the task force. I found three more. That's 1/2 the task force with physicians who have direct ties to health provider corporations or consulting to maximize income/profits. I'm not qualified to speak on the science of this but this committee is even less qualified since they have a real biased faction.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:33 PM
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23. Sad thing is, this is so typical of the "Government Watchdog" agencies.
Edited on Fri Nov-20-09 03:37 PM by truedelphi
I mean, within sixty days of being in office, Obama has Vilsack, Monsanto clone, heading the Ag Department. At a time when we need to keep all our crops and their pollen GMO free. Once the pollen is out of the bag, and the "Scientists" and other experts finally rule that this GMO crap is a nightmare, it will be too late. We simply cannot regulate pollen.

And Vilsack has a new fellow Monsanto clone over at the FDA - Mike Taylor. (Compliments of Senator Hillary and former Pres Bill Clinton.) Gawd if I wanted that guy within twenty miles of any agency in Washington, I would have supported Hill.

New England Journal of Medicine wrote an editorial some years back about how they would no longer avoid articles and papers submitted by scientists that had serious and well known connections to industry.

Why? Because almost EVERY friggin' scientist out there now has serious connections to industry. So now that the water from the well of "Scientific Investigation" has been so totally tainted by influence of dollars, we won't say the water is "tainted" -- we will say the water is normal. Because those waters of serious investigation are all we have, and it is now completely and totally "normal" to be so compromised in the investigations.




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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 06:39 PM
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25. If I were an American, GM food would scare me more than any catastrophic, economic collapse.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:14 PM
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27. Sadly, many in this country have little exposure to what GMO means except fo r
the wonderful two minute sound bytes about the GMO rice allowing blind kids to get their sight back.

You will not find any of the wonderfully done films that detail the real truth about the GMO situation on major networks. Only on the internet.

And then with all the RW Loonies running around using the "We need to have a world that God would approve of" and as that means not even stem cells, there is a lot of blowback on this issue. "If the enemy of common sense is against GMO's than I better be for them," type of thinking.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 06:43 PM
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26. Insurance companies... Can a bad tree bear good fruit? Do figs grow on thorns?
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:23 AM
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2. Rethinking the Mammogram Guidelines
good analysis of the report in The Atlantic at http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911u/mammograms

<SNIP>

The task force report also ignited a flap with its recommendation that, after years of being exhorted to examine their breasts monthly in the shower, women can now forget about self-exams. In response we have heard from women who discovered their breast tumors in the shower and lived to join the ranks of breast cancer survivors. And it’s true that most breast tumors are discovered by women themselves, rather than by mammograms.

But as with mammography, discovering a breast tumor with a self-exam is no guarantee that the patient will live to tell about it. Rather than looking at anecdotal cases, the benefits of self-exams are best understood by observing large and statistically significant populations of women. In 2002, the same year the Swedish update was published, the final results were made available from a huge and careful trial involving more than 260,000 female Shanghai factory workers—a near-perfect homogenous and regimented environment in which to conduct such a study.

Half the women, chosen at random, were taught by trained nurses to do breast self-exams. The other half were not. After more than a decade, there was no difference in cancer mortality between the groups.

So much for breast self-examination. But doctors and nurses either ignored the Chinese study or, more likely, were unaware of it. As a result, more seven-year-old data is now being passed off as a sudden paradigm shift.

There are multiple reasons women are ill-informed about breast cancer. The fault lies primarily with their physicians, the cancer establishment, and the news media—especially the news media. Until coverage of breast cancer rises above the level of scary warnings mixed with heartwarming stories of cancer survivors, women are likely to go on being perplexed.

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:41 AM
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12. The self-exam thing got totally misreported
The conclusion was that training for self-exams wasn't reducing mortality, not that women shouldn't do self-exams.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:26 AM
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3. This whole discussion is academic for uninsured women like me.
But even so, it's nice to see one of these Orwellian entities get their @sses kicked. :hi:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:37 AM
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5. It's getting brutal
My family plan went up 20%. It's out of a regulated state so I can just imagine the screwing people are getting in the lightly regulated states. It's too damn much and 40% of my individually purchased premium goes to profit. Why? Insurance companies do nothing. Medicare has broad standards, pays a set amount and doesn't meddle that much, not even close to as much, as the private companies.

One solution on the cost side is -- more doctors. Expand med school enrollment by 25% across the board for 4-5 years and you'll have lots more care opportunities. Have the feds pick up all outstanding student loans and cover tuition for that time period. Not cheap but a tiny fraction of the bigger cost. The difference between those accepted to medical school and the 25% just below that is not that great. No risks either.

There's no reason for anyone to be denied health care, unless it's Congress until they provide a universal system.

:hi:

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 02:05 AM
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6. Think of the great nurses who'd make great doctors.
Not to mention the current doctors who'd be better doctors under a seriously healthy environment where successful care and healthy compensation for service went together.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 02:09 AM
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7. This is a debate that has been going on since 1969
An article that chronicles the history of this debate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=496999&mesg_id=496999

The Republicans are painting this as an example of the future "rationing of care" that will happen under a Democratic health care bill. They are liars.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:05 PM
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22. Thanks for the link
And yes, the Republicans are all about limiting access to health care. They're getting to be 100% predictable on this point.

Sebelius did the right thing in a very timely manner.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 02:30 AM
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8. K&R
Thanks for posting.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:31 PM
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30. Thnx Dave n/t
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 02:41 AM
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9. K & R for later.
I am liking the idea of having the med schools increase enrollment.




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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 01:30 AM
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33. Is it later yet?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 05:53 AM
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10. Good. As someone diagnosed with b.c. at age 27, I applaud them. nt
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 07:55 AM
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11. Perhaps the Insurance Industry was trying to sandbag the process.
Do I smell the Chamber of Commerce again.

Their ads on TV have been relentless.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:50 AM
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13. One Wonders AT The The Ratio Of Men To Women On The Panel
Was the recommend unanimous? One also has to wonder what compelled seemingly intelligent women to go along with this and be the cover for the boys?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:01 PM
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21. Just did a count
It's about even. But the key factors are 1) despite no representation by those who treat cancer, all members of the task force issued the finding and 2) they all knew of the insurance and other commercial bias on the panel - the bios are readily available.

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:37 PM
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28. OK, Answer Me This
How many cons and how many dems? The reason I ask these questions is because, despite the lack of expertise on the panel and the predisposition towards the health care companies, con men seem to view women as expendable when it comes to case outlays and con women follow their masters. These factors would be additional dominoes that would be knocked into place.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 09:08 AM
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14. I suspect the insurance companies
The reply upthread seems to confirm something I suspected immediately on hearing this. The insurance companies have tried to weasel out of paying for mammography forever. The really horrible thing to realize is that early detection costs them a lot more. Unlike heart disease, hypertension, or diabetes there is no savings, moneywise, in finding breast cancer early. Breast cancer found late is, often, untreatable or the patient is far enough along that she will die before able to have much treatment. They really are murderous bastards.

An aside: Colon cancer is another disease which costs more when found early. Look for them to try to run new guidelines for colonoscopy by us some time soon.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 11:17 AM
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15. What people do have to understand is that "early detection" is not as key as we have been told
over and over and over again when it comes to breast cancer.

No one seems to want to hear the message that the prognosis of breast cancer depends largely on its pathology--maybe because believing that "early detection" is the be-all and end-all lets them feel they have more control over what happens. I.e., all they have to do is "detect it early" and they're guaranteed to live, no matter what.

It's not that simple. But that is not a message women want to hear.

I think it's entirely true that "Until coverage of breast cancer rises above the level of scary warnings mixed with heartwarming stories of cancer survivors, women are likely to go on being perplexed." I think we get mixed messages. We get told that young women are unlikely to get breast cancer vs. older women (true), yet we get frightened with scary stories about young women who did get it and whose doctors wanted to pooh-pooh their concerns about it. We are told story after story of young women who died from it. At the same time, we're bombarded--especially in October--with stories about women for whom "early detection" made all the difference (or so they say), who were successfully treated, who make having breast cancer sound like just another feminine rite of passage or a wonderful "growth experience." None of this really is much help to women looking for answers about how to best look after their health.

Of course, the ultimate would be to have a means of prevention. And mammograms, for good or bad, don't prevent anything. They only find what's already there. And even if the cost of a woman's mammogram is covered, that doesn't mean the cost of her treatment is covered if something is found.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 11:34 AM
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16. True, pathology is the big winner in determining prognosis but...
it still helps to catch cancer as early as possible. The most treatable forms of cancer become more serious after metastasis. And, mammograms are not as effective as we would like. But they are about all we have at this point. As for treatment not being covered if something is found on mammogram, well, that's one of the reasons we need insurance reform stat.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 01:37 PM
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17. I was listening to that specific Diane Rehm show...
I've only been listening to her for a few months and was completely taken by surprise at how thoroughly she slashed and burned that task force member. It was personal to her. I guess at her age she's known a few women claimed by breast cancer. My already high respect for Diane somehow clicked a notch higher.

Lesson - don't bring a wet noodle from the insurance companies to a fight with a beautiful old lady!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 02:56 PM
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20. Don't you just love her
I met her at a conference and she's a truly delightful person. Very committed to excellence and integrity.

She did nail it on that show. She's so methodical and courteous, it's excruciating to hear her march throughthe contradictions. How cool was it that the doc was listening. Great crew on this one.

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Robyn66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 01:56 PM
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18. My blind rage has diminished so maybe I can be more clear with my POV
Edited on Fri Nov-20-09 02:02 PM by Robyn66
There ABSOLUTELY needs to be better methods for detecting breast cancer not to mention ways to prevent it in the first place.

That being said, I don't think anyone (including me) has said that a mammogram is ideal or perfect but currently its all we have as a starting point. At least now, there is digital mammography and MRI's are also being used.

Right now, nothing is 100% accurate but I just can't wrap my head around the argument that there are women who would rather not take advantage of whatever testing is available to save themselves the possibility of a biopsy or worry. And risk having an undetected cancer grow inside them.

Yes, the pathology of the cancer has a great deal to do with the outcome BUT the cancer I had was considered a fairly "easy" cancer and not a big deal as long as it hadn't gotten into the lymph nodes. Well in my case it had. What allows it to get into the lymph nodes? TIME.

That is why I get so angry when people write off supposed "anecdotal evidence". Those of us who have been through it are pretty aware of a lot of the science surrounding the cancer we had and we know if time was a factor in our outcome or not.

Statistics are funny things, they can be played with to say what you want them to say. I understand there were no oncologists on this panel but there were three insurance executives. Personally that is all I need to hear.

So we definitely need to support research that can lead to better methods of detection and hopefully to prevention but the thing that has been infuriating me is, I know that my cancer, (because my oncologist at the Dana Farber Cancer Institute in Boston Massachusetts told me) is the most common form of breast cancer. She told me time was most definitely a factor. So you can write that off as "anecdotal" if you want, but I think its valid information that women should have.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 02:54 PM
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19. Thanks for sharing that.
"anecdotal evidence" is clinical evidence. That's a body of knowledge in the medical and helping professions that make the whole process work. The statisticians can fiddle around all day with their studies, presuming they're not drug or other company sponsored. But the reality is that clinicians recommend things that work because, if they don't, they're #2 in line for the failure of the treatment process. I wish you the very best in your efforts.

On the panels, WUSA found 3 insurance ties. I found 3 more commercial ties that would influence judgment. One member was the medical and research executive for Kaiser So. California. She has a whole lot to do with what gets done and she was the panel member picutred above who said, 'Oh, cost was never mentioned." Another was Chairman of a nonprofit that recommends health care policy for the state of Colorado. The third was an director with a health information and consulting company - on quality care, again a bias there. "Quality" is often a substitute for "efficient" which means, We don't want to pay!

Amazing, no oncologists and a bunch of conflicts of interest. Why would anybody listen to them?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:39 PM
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24. Yes, indeed, my hat is off to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius!
But one wonders why the prevalence of this continually well massaged, organized mass chaos.

Once the Piece of Crap Health CR Bill is passed, we will have every major insurer out there insisting that this new "Study" is of great value.

And we have to wonder about the "timing" of it too, don't we?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:18 PM
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29. Timing is curioius
Sebelius was clearly sandbagged. Her instantaneous response was excellent but the event of the
recommendations by a tainted panel absent any expertise in cancer treatment.

Its time to look at those "efficiency" measures touted in the new play, you know the "efficiency"
of denying care to cut costs.

The real efficiency is to get private insurance and their 10% to 40% rake off out of the health
care business.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:45 PM
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31. I am sick of the anti-science fear-mongering.
These guidelines are based on actually science, in as much as any guidelines can be based on science.


Here is a rational discussion (by an actual doctor and scientist, instead of by fear-mongering idiots on the interwebs.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/really_rethinking_breast_cancer_screenin.php


So what are the harms of screening? First, there are "unnecessary" biopsies. I used quotation marks because we don't know that the biopsies were unnecessary except in retrospect because our imaging technology is not good enough to differentiate benign from malignant as well as we would like, with as many as 80% of biopsies being negative. Second, as I've discussed before, there is a significant rate of overdiagnosis. Overdiagnosis is the detection of tumors that would never lead to life-threatening disease over the lifetime of the woman. Overdiagnosis leads to over treatment because, again, we can't identify which of these diagnosed tumors will and won't progress; so we have to treat them all. The question then becomes: What is the risk-benefit ratio of screening. For ages 40-49, the analysis of the results by the USPSTF showed a 15% reduction in breast cancer mortality, which was similar to the risk reduction for women aged 50-59 while the risk reduction was 32% for women aged 60-69 However, given the lower incidence of breast cancer in the younger age range and the higher chance of false positives and overdiagnosis, the absolute number of lives saved is considerably smaller and comes at a higher cost.

But enough of all these numbers. From my perspective, these new recommendations are a classic example of what happens when the shades of gray that make up the messy, difficult world of clinical research meet public health policy, where simple messages are needed in order to motivate public acceptance of a screening test. It's also an example where reasonable researchers and physicians can look at exactly the same evidence for and against screening at different ages and come to different conclusions based on a balancing of the potential benefit versus the cost. The USPSTF simply came down on a side more like how many European nations screen for breast cancer. Depending on how women undergoing screening and we as a society balance the risks and benefits of screening, how this all plays out is an open question. The only prediction I can make is that the standard of care for breast cancer screening will almost certainly change. I doubt it will change all the way to the USPSTF's new guidelines, but likely they will move in that direction, although I cannot predict how much. In any case, it's always messy when that happens and leads to blowback. For instance, a professional society to which I belong issued a highly embarrassing press release, a case study in the wrong way to respond to a new set of recommendations like this. The worst part of this press release was this:

SNIP


And other post by the same person:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/obamas_makin_death_panels_for_your_mama.php

One day later, I realize that the example of a brain dead and hyperbolic attack of the new guidelines was nothing compared with what was to come and, I suspect, still is to come. Although some attacks are just misguided and based on erroneous information, a lot of them are truly nothing more than appeals to emotion and logical fallacies. Indeed, the stupid is flaming fast and furious, flowing down the sides of the volcanoes of stupid spewing forth lots of heat, until the lava of stupid is finally lapping at the last walls defending rational discourse over what is a very difficult issue, both in terms of science, medicine, and policy. In fact, some of the attacks on the new guidelines carry distinct echoes of the same rhetorical techniques of Mike Adams and Joe Mercola. They have been truly painful to read, so full of neuron-necrosing nonsense that I wonder if those conspiracy theorists in tin foil hats might have a point, even though I realize that mere tinfoil will not stop such powerful waves of stupid. Worse, a lot of the press coverage has given free rein to the very same sorts of flaws that so irritate me in the coverage of alternative medicine.

Let me just say right now that I am more forgiving of the press coverage that emphasizes anecdotes over data, stories like this one, which follows a pattern that I've seen emerging in the coverage of this story, namely the highlighting of an anecdote of a woman under 50 (or even under 40) who had a breast cancer that was detected either by screening mammography or by self breast examination. Another example is this story. This is lazy journalism at best, where finding the "human interest" angle trumps a science-based discussion of the pros and cons of the new recommendations, what they mean to women, and how they might be applied. It's the triumph of pure emotion over science. Meanwhile, Congress is getting involved, specifically Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), who is threatening to hold Congressional hearings on the matter. (Now there's something that'll shed a lot of light on the science!) Wasserman is a breast cancer survivor; so I can understand her emotional investment in the issue. I can understand the emotional involvement of anyone who's life has been touched by cancer. Unfortunately, she's just plain misguided to try to meddle in the development of science-based medical guidelines this way. Her activities are far more likely to interfere with the scientific debate that must occur now regarding screening than they are to facilitate a new scientific consensus based on the strongest data available.

I've made my position clear on the new guidelines. They are imperfect and most definitely do not mean that women under 50 should not be screened. Rather, they will most likely serve as reasonable, albeit flawed, starting point for a debate that has been brewing for the last several years as more and more studies have questioned how beneficial screening mammography is for younger women relative to its risks and documented the problems of overdiagnosis and overtreatment. I've also pointed out how I know that women will be confused by this change. In fact, if anything failure to communicate such a monumental change in recommendations in a manner that would mitigate some of this controversy is clearly the USPSTF's biggest failing in the matter. The task force did an absolutely execrable job of laying the groundwork for its announcement, so that it didn't appear to come out of nowhere. Even so, as I said before, an update of our screening guidelines was expected, and there is much to discuss. However, there is a relentless drumbeat of attack that is not based on science and strikes me as knee jerk. Some of it is downright idiotic; there's just no other way to put it. I feel obligated to address it because, as a skeptic, I find such bad arguments and misinformation an offense to my intelligence.

Overall, the idiocy falls into three general categories:

1. The misogyny gambit

A disturbing tack being taken towards the guidelines is the misguided urge to cry, "Misogyny!" No, I'm not saying that there hasn't been misogyny issuing from the government and other regulatory and academic bodies over women's health before. There's been a fairly long history of that, and we are only starting to overcome it. I'm just saying that this isn't one of those times. The problem with this gambit is that those invoking it jump on news reports about the task force report without actually having read the report. For example, Feministing described the guidelines thusly:

SNIP

2. We're going to turn into a Third World country with women showing up with big nasty incurable cancers.

Another seriously deluded attack (not to mention a form of "slippery slope" fallacy) is the overblown expression of fear that, if these new guidelines were to take hold, American women would be relegated to the same status with regard to breast cancer screening as sub-Saharan Africa.

SNIP

3. Obama's settin' up death panels to kill grandma

Like an undead zombie that just won't stay dead, the difference being that even if you shoot it in the head it keeps getting up again, the "death panel" lie keeps shambling on, to eat the brains of many a pundit and make them just as ignorant as Sarah Palin, the populizer of this myth. The timing of the USPSTF's recommendations, released right in the middle of a major political battle over reforming our health insurance system and providing a government-funded option to insure the uninsured, is very unfortunate in that it's given free rein to conspiracy theorists, the wildest of whom think that the USPSTF's part of a plot by the government and the cleverer of whom see it as some insidious infiltration of some sort of vile health care rationing. Here are some examples:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:45 AM
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32. "based on actually science"
You should look at the article again. It's a straight forward critique of the process. I make no claims to which side of the argument is correct scientifically. If the doctor quoted above had a single brain cell in that part of the brain devoted to practical reasoning, he would know that you don't issue an important guideline on a specific area of science from a panel that lacks one single member of that specific area of science. The credibility of the message is lost in the controversy over the face validity of the issuing panel.

In addition, your doctor might have acknowledged that six of the 13 panel members were from health insurance companies, health providers or firms that made money off of the just mentioned entities. That's a trigger for concern about financial gain as bias.

They ration are in Europe just like we ration care right here. That's not evidence.

The process stunk. The panel doesn't deserve credence due to the financial bias of nearly 1/2 the members and we're yet to hear form cancer researchers and clinicians in that area of practice, an objective panel.
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