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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:45 AM Original message |
About that "They have to spend 85% of the premiums on care" talking point |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. But as the subsidies go up |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. As the subisidies go up they will be eliminated. The public office will have failed. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. And that's when we get single payer n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Not exactly |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Perfect |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. nope. that's what kills the possibility of getting single-payer. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. When people have health coverage |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Then it would be happening now. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. We currently lack an apparatus for transforming public will into reality. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. We transformed public option will into reality |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. The people wanted a strong Public Option. They got half that. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. What person would pay their own public option |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Somebody who wanted a robust public option to keep down health care costs. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. lol, seriously? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Who says the public option will cost less than private insurance? they forgot to put |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. All people don't have health coverage now |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. "I wish people would ask themselves what they gain from nitpicking this bill apart" |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. You're talking to a dedicated PR rep for the insurance industry apparently. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. They've been able to get away with it just fine so far. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. That's why we're reining them in? |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. "If they don't shape up, people will be ready to go further the next time" |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. The subsidies WILL NOT GO UP |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. And then people will be forced to cancel policies |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. How are people gonna cancel their policy when it's mandated by law? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. That's the entire point |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Or, everyone on the bottom will get screwed as much as possible. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. You know you have made an interesting point. This is the halliburton/kbr |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
12. As someone who was told by an HMO that tumors inside their body could |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
17. So |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. There was a better suggestion. Services would be priced at medicare cost plus |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
18. as long as insurance cos are left with a hand in the cookie jar, they will find a way to screw |
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TheWebHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
20. hospitals had negative margins in 2008 |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. But how much of that is due to.... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
22. I knew a greater mind than I would figure out how they'll game this. n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
25. And the more unaffordable you make it, the more public susidy dollars you get! |
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earthboundmisfit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Another guaranteed monopoly |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Like you say, many of us wouldhave no problem with spending the dough on this plan |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. ! |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
37. Okay, you knew it was coming :) .... except: |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. One rather large problem. |
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optimator (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
42. all by design |
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