American Evangelicals Play Role In Uganda Effort To ‘Wipe Out’ Gays

[Canuckistanian]

I just heard a CBC radio special on Uganda's proposed "Anti - Homosexuality Bill 2009" It's ugly. Very ugly.

It proposes the death penalty or life imprisonment for GLBT people, forced HIV/AIDS examinations, prohibits adoption by Gay couples and even jail terms for anyone who "aids, promotes, counsels any acts of homosexuality in any way" What that means is that all citizens of Uganda will be required to turn in any Gay people they know about or face imprisonment and fines.

Also on the program was Jeff Sharlett, who wrote "The Family". He said that Yoweri Museveni, the President of Uganda has been influenced by "The Family" ever since he took over from Idi Amin in 1986. He also said that Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Nutcase) considers Uganda his "special project" in fighting against Gay rights.

More here:
American Evangelicals Play Role In Uganda Effort To ‘Wipe Out’ Gays
http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2009/10/4397/

Excerpt:

In March, American anti-gay activists traveled to Uganda for a conference that pledged to “wipe out” homosexuality. Seven months later, a draconian bill has been introduced that pledges to make good on this threat. The “Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2009” is so severe that it is designed to shred the spirit and suffocate the soul of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Ugandans. If it passes, Uganda will become a predator state that actively hunts down GLBT people to destroy them.

Uganda already punished gay intimacy with life in prison. But, apparently that was not harsh enough, with this bill penalizing anyone who “attempts to commit the offence” with up to seven years in jail. Additionally, a person charged will be forced to undergo an invasive medical examination to determine their HIV status. If the detainees are found to be HIV+, they may be executed.

The Bill's text here:
http://gayuganda.blogspot.com/2009/10/anti-homosexuality-bill-2009.html

On edit: Added BBC link, "Uganda MP urges death for gay sex"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8308912.stm

What can we do to stop this?

[Mrs. Overall]

1. That is unbelievable. I wonder what we can do--

the assholes can't get away with that here, so they take their hate abroad to a struggling country.

If that's not the antithesis of Christianity, I don't know what is.

[la_chupa]

2. I guess they gave up on this country

but there is still hope for Uganda

[Sinti]

8. Don't believe it. They haven't given up, they're testing methodologies elsewhere first n/t

[get the red out]

13. Yes!!!

Anyone who thinks these Christian extremists are just harmless, outnumbered kooks is far more hopeful than me. We need to publicize what kinds of atrocities they take part in, and orchestrate, in countries that are without as much of a history of secular law and democracy as we have in most "western" countries. The US is probably more susceptible to this nonsense than any other first world nation, and if we get another Bush administration (with the current direction of the Republican Party, the Bush administration might actually look mild) then people who think like this have access to the largest arsenal in the world.

[Chipper Chat]

3. The UN should expel Uganda for human rights abuse.

Or at least impose sanctions.

[DBoon]

6. They should be tried for crimes against humanity

The Ugandan leaders AND their American enablers.

Just substitute the word "Jew" for "Homosexual" and you will see the parallels

[BolivarianHero]

4. Thank you White American fundamentalists!

Turning Uganda and Jamaica into reactionary holes. I can't wait for the Bolivarians to get powerful enough to institute their versions of regime change abroad. Pat Robertson and his cronies face incarceration if they ever enter Venezuelan soil.

[dickthegrouch]

5. Use their own words against them

What ever you do unto the 'least' of my brethren, you do also unto me.

Thou shalt not kill

Remove the plank from thine own eye before attempting to remove the speck from thy brother's eye.

And if none of that works, ask the idiots where human number five came from. (It takes them ages to work it out and they come up with all sorts of wild contortions to craft an 'acceptable' answer :D)

[Ferret Annica]

7. Doug Coe has got to go

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton associate with these pricks. Time to not only take thee gloves off with these people, they must be made to feel sorry for this use of fascism to fight normal human sexual behavior and norms to discourage this sort of thing from ever happening again.

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[Ferret Annica]

11. This NBC story contends the President has attended this groups prayer meetings

This 79 year old Hitler wannabe needs to be slammed hard and profoundly for this support and sponsorship of crimes against humanity.

They deserve to go, and we are not safe until they do.

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVrQkunIZXo

[Bluenorthwest]

15. Yes indeed.

[BolivarianHero]

18. Obama has worked with the Family...

Wow.

If he's willing to legitimize The Family, he will end up leaving a legacy of corruption and reactionary policies that rivals that of his predecessors.

That's one of the most depressing and most important things I've heard in recent months. Perhaps Chavez needs to check his nose to make sure that the sulphur has truly the United Nations.

What the fuck is going on here?

One of the many reasons I wanted Obama to defeat Clinton so badly was because of her connection to the DLC and to the Family.

[Lilith Velkor]

30. Same connections Obama has

Oddly enough, his campaign never mentioned that.

[fascisthunter]

10. sick and evil

[Joanne98]

12. They should be charged with MURDER! We need names.

[Luminous Animal]

14. Rick Warren. That's one name.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-07/the-truth-about-rick-warren-in-africa

And one of the main reasons why the GLBT community strove to have him excluded from the inauguration.

[HamdenRice]

16. "since he took over from Idi Amin" -- Sorry, when you get basic stuff wrong, one tends to disbelieve

the substance of the post.

Idi Amin was deposed by neighboring Tanzania which intervened both on humanitarian grounds and because Uganda had invaded Tanzania.

Tanzania re-installed Milton Obote, one of Uganda's first post colonial presidents.

Obote's tenure was a disaster and Museveni led a rebellion that overthrew Obote and ushered in several decades of peace, strong economic growth and one of the most effective HIV prevention programs in Africa.

The stuff in the OP may be true, but when you get such basic facts wrong, readers may question whether the article cited in the OP is reliable.

[Canuckistanian]

17. Sorry, I should have checked that out

The fault was with the CBC announcer who made the claim.

[HamdenRice]

19. I was referring to the article, not you

sorry if the "editorial you" or second person singular in place of third person made it sound like I was accusing you personally.

That said, I hate it when really complicated issues get simplified, like the demand for sanctions against Uganda. That would punish the poor people of a poor country because of bad policies by its leader.

Even what do do about its leader is a complicate issue, because Museveni is widely considered to have saved his country from several disasters -- civil war and AIDS -- while his government has been implementing generally progressive policies, like establishing property rights for married and divorced women.

Why he has adopted these policies (or his wife? as is rumored) is beyond me.

[BolivarianHero]

20. A once-good leader who lost his mind...

Just like Mugabe on the authoritarian "left" (who incidentally also uses Biblical imagery to justify his regime's anti-gay policies)...People like Museveni should be put out to pasture and given the mental help they need when something like this happens; they certainly should not be running a country.

[HamdenRice]

21. I don't think he lost his mind like Mugabe

I think he's pandering.

Even Mugabe's position is more complicated than it seems. I have friends from Zimbabwe with contacts high up in the government (one jokingly refers to him as "Bob"), and Mugabe was virtually a prisoner of his own security services. Mugabe tried to go to a South African sponsored conference in Uganda (or maybe it was Tanzania) a few years ago to announce he was stepping down, and he was prevented from doing so by the security services and told, basically, no you aren't.

Millions of dollars worth of resources being looted from the Congo are riding on Mugabe staying in power.

Things are never as they seem in the mainstream media.

"He who rides the tiger had better not dismount."

[Canuckistanian]

29. Those were my words

I usually put excepts in the formatted box.

Still my fault.

[newtothegame]

22. So did we when making 'history' was more important than fighting Prop 8 on 11-4-08. n/t

[defendandprotect]

23. This is what Hitler's doctors were trying to do -- where is the US???????????

American have to begin again to give some sane leadership to human rights!!!

And that includes re the women of Afghanistan vs patriarchal religions -- !!!

[BolivarianHero]

24. America can't be counted on to be take that leadership, sadly...

For it was America (along with geopolitical allies in China, the Middle East, and Europe) that had allowed the Mujahideen factions and their Maoist allies to rip that country country to shreds and to rape and pillage its people.

We should have been helping the Soviet Union crush the feudal system and crush the Islamists and the warlords once and for all. Only then could we have had development, social progress, and rights for women, just like the six former Soviet Republics that have a Muslim majority. Now we're stuck backing friendly kooks and friendly warlords in their power struggle against hostile kooks and hostile warlords.

[defendandprotect]

31. We have to take back people's government . . . this is another chance . . .

[TrogL]

25. Copied and pasted directly from ex-gay literature

...and I've got the final report of the APA in my briefcase saying sexual orientation is immutable and you can't change it.

The only way to stop this in the long term is through education.

In the short term, the only thing that will work is what affects the lawmakers, in this particular case, probably nothing.

Even getting the people out of the country will be risky - they will have to identify themselves somehow or other.

[dflprincess]

26. Jesus wept.

[LynneSin]

27. And they compare Obama to Hitler

:grr:

[KamaAina]

28. Well, then, why don't they all just move there?

That would suck for Uganda, of course -- but imagine an America fundie-free...

[D23MIURG23]

32. Predictable christian behavior.

[slay]

33. K&R - This is sick

Why is it the most religious are also the most hateful? :(

[FiveGoodMen]

34. Hideous!

I call for the death of all who support that bill.

Yes, really.

[Nikki Stone1]

35. "The family" sounds like CIA

How else would they get the access to world leaders with their crap? Someone high up is backing them.